Q to older MGTOW: having a kid (Yes or No) ?

[FeralParticipant 98]

@meister:
I felt that they were necessary details to understand the situation.

A girl who is with her first guy approaces the situation differently than one who has been with many.

Also, the probablity of problems are lower because the guy has molded her to his ways.

Also, for an older guy it is easier than usual to understand how a totally-unexperienced woman really is (of course, she can change).

Also, I wanted to explain why the guy initiated the breaking up with a NAWALT. He could have just kept enjoing the fun ride until she was older.

Some guys respect a girl who wants to stay virgin for marriage, and who wants to be with the absolute minimum number of guys.

So he does not want to interfere too much with her life’s vision.
He tries to be tough with the bad people, but also nice to those who deserve compassion. So he is trying to do the right thing:
either to let her free, or to get this child that he would have had by cloning if it was available.

But of course, cloning / surrogacy is different: there is only one person on the birth certificate. This is a more complex situation.

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

N O !! He is playing with fire. Red flag#1: She is pushing a financially secure man nearly twice her age hard for a commitment ( child = comittment – married or not). Red flag#2: His age – and hers. Sorry but a 25 year old is no match for a man nearing the mid century mark. I speak from experience. I don’t care how good of shape he is in, how much viagra he takes her desire for young c~~~ will override her so called love for him. And Red Flag #3: The lawyers don’t like it – and they stand to make big bucks from divorce. Red flag #4: Assuming he resides in a western country, and assuming he wants any life with his kid, the family c~~~….I mean court system will make sure that mom will deal all the cards. Cut and run – and I mean RUN.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Feral wrote:

@meister:
I felt that they were necessary details to understand the situation.

A girl who is with her first guy approaces the situation differently than one who has been with many.

Also, the probablity of problems are lower because the guy has molded her to his ways.

Also, for an older guy it is easier than usual to understand how a totally-unexperienced woman really is (of course, she can change).

Also, I wanted to explain why the guy initiated the breaking up with a NAWALT. He could have just kept enjoing the fun ride until she was older.

Some guys respect a girl who wants to stay virgin for marriage, and who wants to be with the absolute minimum number of guys.

So he does not want to interfere too much with her life’s vision.
He tries to be tough with the bad people, but also nice to those who deserve compassion. So he is trying to do the right thing:
either to let her free, or to get this child that he would have had by cloning if it was available.

But of course, cloning / surrogacy is different: there is only one person on the birth certificate. This is a more complex situation.

You said the girl want to be a virgin for marriage, then say the girl will give up marriage for a baby.

Don’t you see the inconsistencies?

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

Bad idea. She is too old. Still would have to live with her for another 2 years, then 2 year engagement and then she would be kinda old for having a kid.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

Feral wrote:

@meister:
I felt that they were necessary details to understand the situation.

A girl who is with her first guy approaces the situation differently than one who has been with many.

Also, the probablity of problems are lower because the guy has molded her to his ways.

Also, for an older guy it is easier than usual to understand how a totally-unexperienced woman really is (of course, she can change).

Also, I wanted to explain why the guy initiated the breaking up with a NAWALT. He could have just kept enjoing the fun ride until she was older.

Some guys respect a girl who wants to stay virgin for marriage, and who wants to be with the absolute minimum number of guys.

So he does not want to interfere too much with her life’s vision.
He tries to be tough with the bad people, but also nice to those who deserve compassion. So he is trying to do the right thing:
either to let her free, or to get this child that he would have had by cloning if it was available.

But of course, cloning / surrogacy is different: there is only one person on the birth certificate. This is a more complex situation.

How does your friend know he was her first?

A virgin in her mid-tweens?
She said she wanted to stay virgin until marriage and then sleeps with your friend?

I think he might be basing decisions on some falls assumptions here.

Monk

[Psl47Participant 678]

Well..if wedding is inevitable ( by his initiations ofcourse ) than there is only one advice
On a first night , after merriage , wearing a condom , f~~~ her, and pound her hard … and if there is no blood … instant divorce … and no f~~~s given what her parents or close onnes will say …
You have your excuse “she said shes a virgin”
Because it will be a lie from day 1 and will continue till it ends …
He wont loose much than , than he could
And f~~~ tears …
Because she was banging on a side , f~~~ing whore slut c~~~ 🙂

.

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

I read through this thread again just to see if I had missed it, and I feel compelled to ask this:

Does he want kids that badly, or is it just her?

Because if he’s just having kids with her to satisfy her desire for babies, then his potential fatherhood is already off to a very bad start.

It could even be used against him in court, in the event that they split (not divorce, just split) and the judge decides this is a case of a creepy old guy getting a young woman pregnant and then leaving. Good luck trying to persuade the judge that he was only getting her pregnant because that’s what she wanted and he was just trying to be nice to her.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[JVBParticipant]

F~~~ing no way !!

Peace is > piece.

[Anonymous 43]

stay the f~~~ away from women.

As soon as the baby shows up, she will quit her job, then really lean on this dude. For. The. Next. Eight. Teen. F~~~ing. Years.

late 40s plus 18 years is headed for 70…

Hmmmm retire early, or pay for kid’s college?

Jesus Christ cut sling load and get out of there

[FeralParticipant 98]

Guys, thank you for the ideas and the questions. I am not in the USA time zone. I will reply tomorrow.

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

Feral wrote:

Guys, thank you for the ideas and the questions. I am not in the USA time zone. I will reply tomorrow.

Just to add something here before you go to bed or work or whatever:

There are 3 types of men:

– Alphas: They spread their seed and run and hide from alimony payments

– Betas: They are slaves to women and their children

– MGTOW: They are free and stay away from women

The question your friend should ask himself:
Do I want to volunteer to become a Beta for this woman and her children?

Monk

[RorschachParticipant 2083]

Feral wrote:

About 3 months ago, the guy felt guilty because he knows that she wants to marry and have kids and that he does not want to marry.

Aha!!! The guilt.. Classic but obvious

Just say NO!

Repeat No.

Follow up with more No’s as Needed. Until the headache goes away. If you havent murdered, raped, or robbed anyone then you probably don’t need to be feeling guilty anyways. Guilt is the worst reason to get married, not that there is any shortage of bad reasons, they all sound bad to me. haha.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us!"....... and i'll look down and whisper "No."

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

I’m confused as to how this would be categorically different than any other relationship or marriage. I see zero differences here.

It’s a male, and a female. How, exactly, are they special? She’s mildly religious, -ish, but not that religious, or she wouldn’t be f~~~ing a guy twenty years older. He’s making decent money, she wants to settle down and be mommy.

How is this different than every other train wreck of a relationship that we’ve all witnessed and been part of? Why would this be statistically different than the 50-80%+ predicted divorce rate for every marriage in the West?

The sex will end a year or two into the marriage. She will produce some number of offspring, and he will be more than slightly old to have them (I’m 47 here, and occasionally build white picket fences in my head, too). If she wants to f~~~ him over, she absolutely can, with no harm to herself, and he will be supporting what will quickly be her spawn until he retires – or past that point.

I see nothing – nothing at all – to suggest this relationship is any different than any other. Nothing.

If they’re both Mormons or Chasidim, then maybe . . . but princess can’t be that religious, or there’s NO WAY IN HELL she would have been f~~~ing him for two years outside of marriage.

I don’t buy her religious convictions at all. If ‘gina tingles cause her to toss her beliefs out the window, then personal profit and divorce war will certainly cause the same in-adherence to whatever she claims to espouse.

All of us – every single one of us – on this board has heard the exact same things a year or three into a relationship. Every poor schmuck who’s in divorce jail right now has been there too. So she’s sweet right now. So what? They’re all sweet at this point.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

Worth repeating – tell your friend to do a 180 and get out now. I don’t care if her t~~~ and butt are so hot you can light a match with her ass – where there’s smoke there’s fire and this one is a five alarm.
If he wants to bang young pussy – they are literally hanging off the trees. Find one – no strings attached – let the hypergamy gear kick in – then bang – repeat three times and disappear. Feel guilty? Don’t -after you split – Chad and his successors will be next in line.

[TrapperParticipant 2912]

Anonymous wrote:

I see nothing but red flags. How is this even a question? Hell to the f~~~ing no, it’s a no brainer.

Come on, seriously?

Couldn’t say it any better.

[WA4SWJParticipant 366]

I agree with all the other opinions here – NO! – for so many reasons there is not enough space to type them. Please think thoroughly and clearly about this.

Ed

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Silver Fox wrote:

Does he want kids that badly, or is it just her?

I think this is key. If he hit a point in life where he suddenly realizes he wants kids really f~~~ing bad and is willing to be on the hook financially until almost 70, he probably won’t get a better chance. But…if he’s already in his late 40s, financially successful, and seems to have had his fill of women over his life time…something tells me he has never had kids for a reason. If doing it for her is the only reason he wants to despite all those other reasons he must have had to never have kids before, that is a pretty s~~~ty reason.

But the whole thing seems kind of BS to me anyhow. If she wanted marriage and kids and intended to stay a virgin til she got marriage…why would she give it up to some mid 40s dude who never married, never had kids, and apparently spent his life oil change dating? Seems like she couldn’t have picked a worse potential partner lol. Either the whole V thing was a giant lie from the start or this whole thing is just made up tuna baiting trying to see how bad we all are suggesting this guy pop a good religious virgin then deny her marriage and family.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

This relationship has already begun with a lie. She is mid-twenties and virgin—my ass she is. That is a bold faced lie. If she is going to lie about that–well the rest is gravy for her.

[HitmanParticipant]

If your friend has a terminal illness and is CERTAIN that he will die, then yes..knock her up.
And yes I’m serious.
Otherwise HELL NO.

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

Jesus frigging Christmas…NO….

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

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