Q to older MGTOW: having a kid (Yes or No) ?

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

PistolPete wrote:

This relationship has already begun with a lie. She is mid-twenties and virgin—my ass she is. That is a bold faced lie. If she is going to lie about that–well the rest is gravy for her.

Yep.

Exactly my thoughts.

Unless:

– she’s very ugly

or

– OPs friend checked the hymen (I highly doubt he did)

Since we have now figured out the whole story, the one and only advice is:
Get the f~~~ out of there!
Run!

Monk

[Rolling Tin FistParticipant 484]

TL;DR Cut her loose.

To quote Admiral Ackbar, “It’s a trap!!!”

Unless he has a burning, and I mean Fahrenheit 451 burning, desire to sire his own kids, he should cut her loose. If she’s such a catch she’ll have no problem finding a baby daddy.

My kids are more than halfway to adulthood and I promise you, you DO NOT want to start being a dad at 40-anything unless you plan on having a maid, cook, tutoring, and nanny service on retainer.

Being a father is exhausting mentally, physically and financially, especially if you’re Red Pill, because you sure as hell aren’t going to leave it up to mother to direct the kids once they’re off the tit.

Also women reserve the right to change their minds on doing their part.

"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another" - H. L. Mencken

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Straight out of Esther Vilar:

“And if an attractive young woman has a choice, she will choose a young man every time, providing he is financially secure. This is not, of course, for aesthetic reasons. With any luck, he will be able to provide for her longer. On the other hand, if offered a rich man of forty, a woman will certainly prefer him to a poor young man of twenty. Women certainly know what they want from men and know exactly on which side their bread is buttered.”

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

Badger wrote:

Straight out of Esther Vilar:

“And if an attractive young woman has a choice, she will choose a young man every time, providing he is financially secure. This is not, of course, for aesthetic reasons. With any luck, he will be able to provide for her longer. On the other hand, if offered a rich man of forty, a woman will certainly prefer him to a poor young man of twenty. Women certainly know what they want from men and know exactly on which side their bread is buttered.”

I’m sure this one is different.

Remember: she was a virgin before she met the OPs friend.

Monk

[narwhalParticipant]

If a man is in his 40s, chances are he doesn’t want kids, whether he’s had them before or not. No man should agree to have a kid if he does not want a kid, and does not understand that he will be paying a lot for that kid, with a strong possibility of having limited access.

If this were my friend, I wouldn’t recommend he tell her no, I’d tell him to go get an emergency vasectomy. Take the option off the table permanently.

Ok. Then do it.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

I would tell her let’s go for it, but I am celebrating the 15th anniversary of my vasectomy later this month.

For him it’s a definite no.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[FeralParticipant 98]

Guys, thank you for the insights, experience and opinions!

Lots to think about this idea of kids without marriage.

The initial impression is that this guy might be too old to have kids.

Also, even if the risks and costs of a kid without marriage were manageable today, one has to consider what the future that we are facing will be.
The situation for men is already crazy-bad in the West, and it seems that it will get worse.

Hopefully, one day, for the middle-aged MGTOW who want a child, there will be cloning and surrogacy to the rescue so that they will not have the state to deal with.

For the moment, one idea is to be a sperm donor (for the genes), and then also be a “big brother” to a chosen smart guy (as it was suggested by ‘2017’).

The above still has risks, as I had a look on youtube under “child support“. There are plenty of horror stories some even involving sperm donors with signed contracts who do not know the mother, nor the child.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Feral wrote:

Guys, thank you for the insights, experience and opinions!

Lots to think about this idea of kids without marriage.

The initial impression is that this guy might be too old to have kids.

Also, even if the risks and costs of a kid without marriage were manageable today, one has to consider what the future that we are facing will be.
The situation for men is already crazy-bad in the West, and it seems that it will get worse.

Hopefully, one day, for the middle-aged MGTOW who want a child, there will be cloning and surrogacy to the rescue so that they will not have the state to deal with.

For the moment, one idea is to be a sperm donor (for the genes), and then also be a “big brother” to a chosen smart guy (as it was suggested by ‘2017’).

The above still has risks, as I had a look on youtube under “child support“. There are plenty of horror stories some even involving sperm donors with signed contracts who do not know the mother, nor the child.

Not only sperm donors with signed contracts, but people who store they sperm for their own use and not for donation get burned too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3194225/Mother-court-accused-stealing-ex-boyfriend-s-frozen-sperm-using-pregnant-spite-breaking-up.html

http://shrink4men.com/2011/06/03/true-story-woman-steals-ex-husbands-sperm-and-collects-almost-200000-in-back-child-support/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/29329/married-singer-sues-woman-for-stealing-his-sperm-and-having-twin-girls/

http://canadiancrc.com/Newspaper_Articles/Sunday_Life_Magazine_Australia_The_Sperm_That_Got_Away_18AUG02.aspx

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2388938/Wife-breaks-law-use-dead-husbands-sperm-baby–health-chiefs-British-widow-makes-legal-history-travelling-Europe-IVF.html

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[RobbySpectator 71]

Should you have a kid, lol. Have you ever been alive?

[Anonymous 3]

That diagram made me laugh. I love how the Chad pokes his head in when the wife is talking to her girlfriend.

[FeralParticipant 98]

It was not 100% relevant because this thread was not about marriage.
Still, yes, FANTASTIC diagram by Meister !

[~BSParticipant 3266]

seems like a huge part of his valuing her is because she’s a virgin. Even assuming she is one, it’s not that great of a reason to keep her around.

tell her – no marriage, no kids, both of us work hard, we’ll retire by the time she’s 40 and he’s 60. If she doesn’t find that appealing, dump her ass.

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[Masculine_ManParticipant 2735]

Feral wrote:

His current gf is 21 years younger. Now she is just after mid-twenties. She is not religious at all but she still wanted to stay virgin until marriage.

… Come on man, do you believe in the tooth fairy too? She is no virgin.

Feral wrote:

The complication:
Normally, he would respect that and move on, but he did an exception because she is an exceptionally good fit with what he likes in a woman (he knows that a NAWALT is as safe as a domesticated tiger, and that she is very likely to change in the future).

Exactly

Feral wrote:

About 3 months ago, the guy felt guilty because he knows that she wants to marry and have kids and that he does not want to marry.
He likes to treat people as they deserve: bad people badly and good people well. So he started a conversation about her future and is summarized below:

Not his problem.

Feral wrote:

She: “I want to be with you and I trust that you will be always happy with me and we will be always together: I give up on marriage but my life only makes sense having at least one child. Would you like to have a kid in a few years?”.

18 years income, never forget.

Feral wrote:

The girl despises collectivists and is against state transfers: she is not after single-mom support from the state, nor child support from the guy: she has got a great job, her own money, she owns her home, etc.

Once again, very few people will turn down free money. He should stand firm, no kids, no marriage and happy life. If she doesn’t want it, then he can easily find someone else. She needs him, he does not need her.

If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.

[FeralParticipant 98]

guys, as I wrote, this guy is very, very experienced with women.
Also, he has traveled and has known countries in which “virginity repair” surgical operations happen in large numbers.
The virginity of that girl is not in doubt at all.

Anyway, it is true that non-experienced guys get easily tricked all the time about women pretending of having been with much fewer guys than what is real.

In the UK, “virginity repair” used to be uncommon, but, with the surge of immigrants, women have such false advertisement conveniently paid by men:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1298684/Surge-virginity-repair-operations-NHS.html

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

I wouldnt mind having a kid, but i dont want to deal with the c~~~ that comes with.

One of the c~~~s bailout plan, having a kid, so she can rob you.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

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