Oddly, I'm gay and MGTOW. What?!

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

Keymaster wrote:

@resonance spends 1/2 her life screaming at everyone around her “I CANT HELP IT!!! I WAS BORN THIS WAY!!! ACCEPT ME AS I AM!!!” …. and on that sssssssssssssssssssssspecial ssssssssssssunday in June when she marches down the ssssssssstreet in a thong with her ass hanging out chanting “WE’RE HERE!!! WE’RE QUEER!! GET USED TO IT!!!!” she wants everyone to accept her.

Precisely.  Such an action’s aim was not to proclaim to bystanders in an open, benign honest message that “I am a homosexual, and I feel comfortable in expressing it”.  The action or statement was deliberately engineered to create discomfort, disharmony, and to deliberately create discord among straight people so as to inflame tensions and further divide societies “norms”.  These “proactive” gatherings are not meant to bring us closer together as humans; they are designed to create discord amongst us.  They didn’t wish for us to understand their viewpoint, they wished to create a wave of “shock-troops” as if to say “F~~~ YOU.  We’re a creepy bunch of degenerates and YOU’RE going to like it, whether you like it or not.  We don’t give a s~~~ if you accept us, therefore you HAVE to accept us!  AND BY THE WAY!!!!  YOU’RE A F~~ TOO, YOU JUST DON”T KNOW IT YET!!”  They very transparently seek to breed discord, rather than harmony.

I don’t think they see the irony in their own actions.  “WE DEMAND ACCEPTANCE AND YOU’D BETTER DAMN WELL ACCEPT IT OR WE’LL ATTACK YOU”

In their “peaceful” endeavour to have their voices heard, we don’t get this, a peaceful group of individuals asking to be treated equally:

 

Instead, we get THIS:

or THIS:

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This has nothing to do with asking for tolerance or acceptance.  This has entirely to do with “HEY!!!! I’M A CORN-HOLING, ASS-F~~~ING FETISHIST, AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!  ITS MY DIVINE RIGHT TO MAKE YOU LOVE ME AND HOPEFULLY I CAN GET YOU TO F~~~ ME UP THE ASS AS WELL!!!”

 

[UntamedParticipant]

Lost your way?

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[DidachosParticipant 3]

EscapedMentalPatient wrote:

Bestoftherest wrote:

Gay and mgtow, I see that and I don’t need much explanation to understand it. As far a gay men being on the forums, I don’t condone any hate towards them. These are men that need support just as much as any other man. I do want to draw a line, if I could, that innately gay topics shouldn’t be on these forums. Believing gay men have nothing to contribute to mgtow would be the wrong stance. After all these men have been going their own way by one of the core ideals of Mgtow-staying away from women!

This has nothing to do with hate. Nor does it have anything to do with MGTOW. This has to do with these users showing up to be Gay, and either inflame current user’s ideals or put out feelers as to whether or not they belong amongst or deserve acceptance among a bunch of men who AREN’T GAY. Since the almost universal introduction to many of these user’s posts is “Hi, I’m GAY”, it’s pretty obvious that their interest is in exploring BEING GAY AMONGST US, rather than giving a s~~~ about what we divorced/seeking divorce/consistently f~~~ed over by women/getting screwed by the legal system for being STRAIGHT MALES are actually experiencing and fighting. They want to find out if we straight men are perfectly open to accepting what is essentially a feminist with a dick into our ranks. Other than having a dick, they are inherently NOT male, and NOT experiencing the life-wrecking bulls~~~ which many of us have endured, are about to endure, or are trying to avoid enduring. Gay men at this site are f~~~ing feminist tourists who happen to be sporting a dick. They might as well be a dyke, wearing a strap-on and showing up to say “Yeahhh man, I know exactly what you mean dude”. Seriously, f~~~ off. This isn’t Halloween. You don’t get to throw on your “Guy” costume, show up at the party and play pretendsies that you have an inkling of what it means to be married to what is essentially an insane child that has complete access to your possessions, freedom and financial security. Feel free to put me in my place, or correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t this premier, excellent website and resultant forums created for the purpose of straight, normal men who’ve experienced and witnessed the complete destruction of the natural order of things by way of the liberal, feminist ideal? To put it gently, if we were to have a closed-door meeting of us men to discuss these damaging, real, and present issues which currently plague us; I highly doubt we’d need to invite a 15 year old transvestite along to help us in our quest and to have her/it/him contribute their “valuable” thoughts. Were we to have a meeting at a local electrician’s union hall to discuss a current issue that required member consensus, it would be fairly pointless to invite along a baker, or candlestick maker to give us their “valuable input” on how we might reach a reasonable conclusion on how to deal with the Company Man’s recent bulls~~~ proposal. If the baker and candlestick maker would like to sit at the back of the room for general interest’s sake and listen to the proceedings, then I doubt too many electricians would object. However, should they leap out of their seat and proclaim “Im a Baker. HERE’S WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN, AND BY THE WAY, YOU GUYS ARE BAKERS AND ITS THE SAME THING” He’d promptly be told to shut the f~~~ up and get the f~~~ out. And speaking of “Hate”? The only thing I hate is the absurdity that you think you’re the same as me, just because we have a chromosomal similarity. Socially and culturally speaking? You’re from another f~~~ing planet. In essence. You’re gay? Go start yourself a forum: GMGTOW. Gay Men Going Their Own Way. You’re about as similar as a beet is to a turnip. We both grow out of the ground, but the f~~~ing similarity ends there.

Hi All. James here from London, UK.

I was going to write my own introduction but I have been slapped in the face with this thread and thought to address this first.

Obviously Jamibu has a unique point of view on all this and a story to tell, like most of us and to silence him because of something totally unrelated to the issues at hand it sounds a lot like hate (I am looking at you Mental Patient). This is the introductions forum, so yes, mentioning details about himself was the right thing to do. By saying that he is gay, he is just making a disclaimer so hillbillies and haters can POLITELY ignore him.

We don’t need to make a comment about everything and anything (that’s for women to do). Sometimes, when one has nothing to bring to the conversation the best thing to do is to STFU and stay away.

We know you are not a f~~ EMP, you don’t need to gay-bash anyone to prove the point. You don’t need to dissociate from him in such an insulting way, we get it: You don’t suck dick.

United, we stand. Divided we fall. Remember?

Rant over.

J

[DakotaParticipant 341]

Didachos wrote:

I was going to write my own introduction but I have been slapped in the face with this thread and thought to address this first.

Firstly James, welcome to the MGTOW Forums.  I hope you do get around to writing an introduction (if you haven’t already).  There are many great topics to join and if you don’t find one you like, start your own.  MGTOW encourages men to share their struggles so other men can learn from them.  But understand that this is not Facebook and a politically correct point of view may invite a vociferous reaction.

I don’t think anyone here advocates hate including EMP.  I do think countries in the UK, Western Europe, and Canada indoctrinate their people starting at a very young age and continuing all the way through to the grave to believe that ANY lifestyle is a valid lifestyle and if anyone disagrees with that lifestyle than that person is “full of hate” and guilty of “hate crimes.”  Countries like that are reaping some of the rewards of that mentality such as England and France for their liberal immigration policies for inviting alien cultures home to roost, hence the rise of “ultra right-wing” political groups who would like to put the genie back in the bottle and are gaining much popular support.

If you’ve read any of my posts, you would think I “hate gays.”  Well, I just returned from a trip to Canada where this f~~~~~ works at the B&B that I stay at every year.  He/she does a great job, seems to instinctively know how to serve guests, and is fastidious in keeping the place immaculate.  No problems.  He doesn’t bring up gay s~~~, his “partner” doesn’t stop by to swap-spit in front of the guests, and he doesn’t wear a rainbow flag hat and ass-less chaps while doing his job.  But I know he would if the owner allowed it.  But the owner doesn’t.  The owner knows that if he allows this homo to dangle his reprobate sexual fetishes around other guests, we would stop coming.  And that’s all I’m trying to say.  You’ve got to draw the line somewhere.  A gay man does not NEED to dangle his reprobate sexual fetishes around the MGTOW forums (IMHO).

Gay marriage, womyn’s rights, universal rights, children’s rights, animal rights, earth rights and other nonsense is part of an endless slime that has oozed out of Marxist/Leninist/commie-pinko ideology and is being used to inoculate citizens around the world to not be able to use rational thinking skills and free thought to make decisions for their own best interests.  A man’s best interest is now second to “others.”  Isn’t it great to feel compelled to sacrifice one’s self constantly for others?   A local florist shop was fined for not wanting to make arrangements and bake a cake for two f~~~~~s who wanted to get married based on the owners religious beliefs.  Marxism hates religion and hates when people think for themselves.  It makes sense then that this person is “guilty” of a crime.  God forbid that these two f~~~ing f~~~~~s walk their skinny-jean asses down the street where there are florists on every f~~~ing block that would be glad to take their money.  But no… “We have to change society and how people think, even if it’s at the end of a gun.”

If you “have been slapped in the face with this thread” then good.  Your ultra-liberal government has trained you to recoil at ideas that don’t come explicitly from its playbook.  MGTOW is a bucket of icy water dumped over the heads of men.

Besides, the entirety of the UK steps out to “have a f~~.”  Don’t you know that’s offensive as hell to gays around the world?  The UK is full of hate.

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

Didachos wrote:

Hi All. James here from London, UK. I was going to write my own introduction but I have been slapped in the face with this thread and thought to address this first. Obviously Jamibu has a unique point of view on all this and a story to tell, like most of us and to silence him because of something totally unrelated to the issues at hand it sounds a lot like hate (I am looking at you Mental Patient). This is the introductions forum, so yes, mentioning details about himself was the right thing to do. By saying that he is gay, he is just making a disclaimer so hillbillies and haters can POLITELY ignore him. We don’t need to make a comment about everything and anything (that’s for women to do). Sometimes, when one has nothing to bring to the conversation the best thing to do is to STFU and stay away. We know you are not a f~~ EMP, you don’t need to gay-bash anyone to prove the point. You don’t need to dissociate from him in such an insulting way, we get it: You don’t suck dick. United, we stand. Divided we fall. Remember? Rant over. J

Hello James.

In point of fact, it has nothing to do with hate whatsoever.  It has to do with a lifestyle choice which has nothing to do with the formations of the ideals of being a MGTOW.  In case you were not able to read the previous posts, or mine for that matter, I take issue with someone immediately insinuating that I am gay.  Me.  Maybe go back through the introductions as I was one of the first people to welcome a gay member.  This does not give you, him or anyone else licence to assume that I am a closeted homosexual.  Be gay all you want.  Make it central to your life.  Make a pottery statue of some guy getting sucked off and put it on your front lawn for all I care.

Most of us (hillbillies included, and you’re welcome;  if you drive a car, particularly one that runs on gasoline or live in a house built out of wood n stuff, chances are, one of us “hillbillies” built it for you, after harvesting and processing the resources that even made it possible.) could give a s~~~ if you are gay.  Being a “HillBilly” is just another example of the hatred that feminists and the LGBT community spread.  If you are imagining that because I grew up in the woods, “know how to fix stuff hu huh huh hu”, an’ kin reeeed an stuff, that it somehow automatically makes me a hatemonger, then I’d suggest you go look straight in the mirror about hatred and stereotyping.

Don’t read between the lines.  Read THE lines.

Do you really think I’d have taken issue with you introducing yourself as James, a MGTOW?  Most likely not.

Do you think I’d have taken issue with you introducing yourself as Im James, Im Gay and Im a MGTOW?  Most likely not, although I’d probably not have responded.

However, if you’d have introduced yourself as “Hi, Im James, Im Gay, and so are the rest of you by the way”?  Well then James, I’d tell you to shove it directly up your ass, as you seem to have so obviously missed in the previous posting.

Do you feel the need to come to some other asshole’s defence simply because he is also gay?  If you feel the need to unite with this person in any way shape or form because you share a sexual orientation, by all means, be blindly led.  Because I most certainly would not come to anyone’s defence here just because they are a MGTOW.  There are individual people here.

One can be an asshole and a MGTOW.

One can also be gay and be an asshole, although our current political climes would have you believe that to say so is………I’ll hazard a guess……..”hate”.  I’d quite imagine that you’d have taken no exception to me ripping someone a new asshole had they introduced themselves, and then proceeded to tell me that by the way, “Since I am a card carrying racist member of an organization, so too are you”.  Yet when someone informs me of who I am by telling me that I am gay, you’ve taken offense to this.  Interesting.

By all means, include me in your eloquent indoctrination of what is a “Hillbilly” or otherwise.  If you do, you are part of the reason why we even need a place like this.  I’ll take being a “Hillbilly” any day.

 

 

 

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

Actually James, in retrospect;  I’ve had a few minutes to think about my previous post, and I’ll go you one better.

Being the gentleman (Hillbilly or not) that I’ve always been, I’ll leave the forums so that you and any other gay member can feel safe to introduce yourselves as gay.  You’ll have yet another place on the Internet where you can be safe, but a middle to low class blue collar income earner shouldn’t, because yassir….lawdee knows we white pickup truck drivin’, breeder guys just randomly drive around hatin’ stuff yassir.  Assa matterr-a-fact I think I forgot one of my “I Goddamn Hate Watermelon” meetings this very afternoon.

Hatred is not tolerated in these forums, and you’ve interpreted me as an agent of such; since the issue is heavily policed by the creators and maintainers of this great place, I’d be the last to extend hatred out of respect for the people who work so hard to keep this site the place that it is.

Go your own way.

 

[DidachosParticipant 3]

I thank you all for the honesty and for avoiding political correctness. However an insult is an insult and hatred is hatred, whatever way you want to dress it afterwards.

@EMP, by calling me a homo, you don’t invalidate any of my arguments. It just reduces the conversation to name calling and adds nothing.

“Because I most certainly would not come to anyone’s defence here just because they are a MGTOW”. _ What is then the point to join a community of like minded people if at the end no one is looking out for no one?

 

@dakota, It must be the greatest thing on earth to live in a land where you just need to say that someone is a Commie or something smells of Socialism and that’s the end of the conversation.

I will not delve into this much further since we all have made our positions clear. I guess that the point I wanted to make is that if we invalidate someone’s experience because he is gay or for whatever other randomly chosen variable, we will be reducing the pool of “worthy” people and at the end it becomes WSMCWSMGTOW (White Straight Middle aged Conservative Wealthy Suburban MGTOW, keep adding acronyms to suit your taste…)

J out

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Dakota wrote:

Besides, the entirety of the UK steps out to “have a f~~.”  Don’t you know that’s offensive as hell to gays around the world?  The UK is full of hate.

A fine point.

••••

Last week some time, we received an email from a visitor who wanted to join, but was unclear of the MGTOW stance on “males” and whether or not an outwardly appearing female (who had a Y chromosome) still qualifies. Meaning a feminine looking / tranny / crossdresser or some such variation.

But here’s the thing: Yeah he’s a “male”. But he doesn’t navigate the world in the same way – and he’s not PERCEIVED by the world in the same way, either. So yeah, “he” qualifies, but not really. He will also never have to deal with a female who cries “rape” the following morning. He just doesn’t have the same s~~~ flying at his windshield.

FACT: Gay or not – you’re a Man. And you could still JOIN and engage in the conversation, contribute, exchange, extract ideas that are helpful or useful and no one will ever know your outward appearance or your particular lifestyle choice.

Because AGE, SEX, APPEARANCE, SMV, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, RACE, MARITAL STATUS play no role in the merit of an argument.

MGTOW absolutely understand that, and that’s part of battling the “shaming language” that gets hurled at MEN when they are told “oh you must be gay”…. “no woman would ever marry you”…. or “you probably can’t get laid”…. or “you’re probably fat, short, bald, ugly and broke or all of the above.”.

NO.

It’s not the f~~~ing point.

None of that stuff is relevant when discussing the problems and hardships men face. It is entirely possible for a VERY good looking man to have NO concept of women…. just as it is for a greasy, tattoo ridden, unemployed musician on a stolen motorbike to be a lord of the dance with the ladies.

The point is: Who he’s f~~~ing is f~~~ing irrelevant.

MGTOW are pointing the finger and discussing THE ACTUAL PROBLEM.
And the actual problem MGTOW have is not about gay, fat, short, bald, broke, or who you’re f~~~ing.

So if I am going to insist that who I’m f~~~ing is totally irrelevant to the MGTOW discussion in order to defeat a detractor, then who YOU are f~~~ing is totally irrelevant to the MGTOW discussion, too.

That’s the bottom line.

••••••

More to the point, we had another who signed up 3 times in a row, and wanted to flaunt his pretty feminine appearance. He was a full on feminine dude with long hair, a pretty face, and was determined to upload this big avatar image so he could say “look how pretty I am. Im a MGTOW!!! I look and live like a woman.” He was insistent on joining and then had a really big problem when we didn’t let him attention whore is way around the forums. Flooding our email box with talk of “discrimination” based on appearance because we deleted his avatar.

IT. DID. NOT. WORK.

He wasn’t here to join the discussion and had NOTHING of value to offer. He just wanted to show himself off and be seen as a female, because he’s “technically a male”. When he wasn’t permitted to upload his picture, pretty face , flowing hair and t~~~….. he had nothing else to contribute, say, or talk about in the realm of MGTOW or the red pill. He lost complete interest. We even gave him the chance!!

“Hey, join the discussion all you like! What insight can you offer? What experiences as MGTOW do you have to share with other men???”

F~~~ing nothing. He had nothing to say back.
So for “him” it was ONLY about “being gay”.

That was his ONLY inspiration to be here: to flaunt his sexuality. And when he was called out, he got all p~~~ed off and he never even commented under ANY of our public comments, videos, articles or anything. He just wanted to be seen in the forums flaunting himself looking like a chick. He didn’t give a S~~~. If he wasn’t able to say “HEY LOOK AT ME IM GAY!!!!” he would rather not bother.

Very telling.

He could have joined, and so could the other one who wrote in and asked. Nobody would know. Nobody would need to know his sexual preference. He could peacefully enjoy the forums and his sexuality and sexual preference would be totally off the table. Because it doesn’t have anything to do with anything. Who and when and how often I f~~~ doesn’t change my stance on paternity fraud. Unacceptable divorce laws that rob men of their freedom don’t depend on how often I get a blowjob.

This 19 year old kid is facing 25 years on a “sex offender” registry because he had consensual sex with a minor who LIED and misrepresented herself on Tinder. His future is f~~~ing ruined. He’s 19.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/16/male-teen-has-consensual-sex-with-female

NO Gay man / cross-dresser / tranny / identifying-female-with-a-Y-chromosome will ever have to deal with s~~~ like that.
And since how much pussy I get – or don’t get – plays no role in it….. who you’re f~~~ing is totally irrelevant too.

Gay men are very welcome here if they find value in it.

But when Dakota says “Look, I don’t introduce myself with Hi like a pussy”, everyone has gotta understand where that comes from. It isn’t *hateful*, just like it isn’t *hateful* to to point out that we will never shut down streets and march in a parade because we prefer vagina. When gay men toss the whole “gay pride parade” idea out permanently….. they will FINALLY blend and be “equal”. As equally insignificant of celebration for it as we are. It will be FINALLY recognized that homosexual preference doesn’t make you more – or less – human. But the fact that gays still insist on staging this grand theatrical fanfare about it…. virtually ensures it will never happen.

They don’t seem to realize that throwing away the gay conversation (or “gay pride”) is actually GOOD for gays. It means you’re a PEER. It means you’re NOT special. But as long as gays see throwing out “gay pride” as *hate*….. there can be no progress.

Nobody will ever throw a parade for the sexual preference of straight men or give any of us a medal for “courage”.
And we don’t get to call it “hate” or discrimination. They would laugh us out of the room for that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

Didachos wrote:

J out

No, no.  Don’t go just yet.  Seriously, James.  I mean this with no sarcasm whatsoever.  Are you gay?    Some of my points have been finely challenged by yourself, and some of your points have been finely challenged by me, if I do say so myself.  Do you really want both your introduction and farewell to just be “I’m Gay.  Deal with it”? What was it that you were going to contribute?  I certainly don’t and can’t stand in your way, and as you can see by many of the suggestions and thoughts on this thread, you are welcome to express them.  Were I to leave, to make you comfortable, so that you might contribute to this place; not a single man here would object on the principle that you might very well have valuable contributions to make, and they damned well wouldn’t have me dictate as to whether or not you might.  Believe me, this place is very “United We Stand”.  So much so that I’d be tossed out on my ear very quickly were I to f~~~ up the validity of this place.

I seriously, actually offered to leave these forums, a place valuable to me, so that you could have a space to contribute your valuable insight and knowledge without being “threatened” (even though at no point did I address you; you were a random passer-by).  The best you can garner is “I am gay.  Escaped Mental Patient, YOU APPARENTLY HATE some other gay guy.  I am out, even though I haven’t joined yet, because I’m Gay too”.  Waving your rainbow flag much?  I can only imagine that you really do have a rough lot in life being a gay man.  If the weakness of how you addressed this current “affront to you” is any indication of how you handle real and present friction and adversity in your life, then you could stand to learn a great deal from many respected members here at MGTOW.com on how you might battle a difficult situation.  Someone (I’m looking at myself, James) has had thoughts that bear anger towards someone who resembles you in your mind; apparently this is enough to invalidate what you have to say?

You’ve only further proven my point.  The entire basis of your introduction, argument and conclusions has been “I was going to join up here as a Gay man, but because you spoke to another Gay man in a way that I wouldn’t like to be spoken to as a Gay man: 

Didachos wrote:

I was going to write my own introduction but I have been slapped in the face with this thread and thought to address this first. Obviously Jamibu has a unique point of view on all this and a story to tell, like most of us and to silence him because of something totally unrelated to the issues at hand it sounds a lot like hate (I am looking at you Mental Patient). This is the introductions forum, so yes, mentioning details about himself was the right thing to do. By saying that he is gay, he is just making a disclaimer so hillbillies and haters can POLITELY ignore him.

“Obviously”, you’ve not even bothered to read anything.  My first statement wasn’t even directed at Jamibu.  Nor were any.  Nor were any directed at you.  You very selectively went through some paragraphs of mine with your gay feelers and a rainbow blanket to look for what offended you as an outside group dynamic, and then fabricated a rainbow blanket response as if to say “One gay guy said something here that p~~~ed someone off, so I will make a point of joining just to say that I will not join because I too am gay.  Gay Men Unite!!!”.  This is, in and of itself is an offensive exercise and clearly demonstrates your need to be gay, feminist, and liberal first and MGTOW later.  As I see it, anyhoo hyuk. hyuk.

Didachos wrote:

I thank you all for the honesty and for avoiding political correctness. However an insult is an insult and hatred is hatred, whatever way you want to dress it afterwards.

No, you don’t, you’re welcome and no they aren’t.  You, like a feminist, don’t get to just randomly pop around with the word “hatred” and apply it to any situation which might conveniently further your cause while damaging another’s without rationally discussing it, or because it is contrary to the currently dominant political mess that is feminism and communism.  Not here, anyway.  You will get honesty here.  However, you never wanted honesty; you just wanted to tell everyone that you were gay and are perpetually offended.  Again.  Whoopty f~~~ing doo.  March.  Wave flags.  Further your cause as a gay man.  This arena doesn’t have bleachers for that show, chum.  It does however, have an open and welcome seat for you as a man, particularly one who is going his own way.

Didachos wrote:

@EMP, by calling me a homo, you don’t invalidate any of my arguments. It just reduces the conversation to name calling and adds nothing.

I need to find this imaginary conversation between yourself and I.  Apparently, not only can you not read, you’re not even certain as to what you’ve penned.  Find and point out for me where I called you a homo.  I’d gladly apologize for the randomness, except when you walked in the room I wasn’t even aware that you and I were having a discourse.  Do you have any sense of individuality, or does it begin and end with “I’m Gay”.  And I can’t really invalidate any arguments that don’t exist.  Well, I suppose I could try to invalidate that I am a Hillbilly or Redneck, but that would be pointless;  by most definitions (the term as cast around by your lot anyway), I guess I am one.  And that’s ok by me.  There is a significant amount of hatred for my kind in this current world, and it’s pretty wild.  Just think about it.  You get discriminated against because of your sexual orientation, which even most gay men admit, includes some pretty “out there” s~~~.  Me?  I’m almost instantly discriminated against because I am white, have a handlebar mustache, drive a pickup truck, wear old jeans, and often wear an old ball cap.  It does not matter that I’ve donated a great deal of my time volunteering for causes for the homeless (gay or straight, I don’t ask), it does not matter that I’ve donated a significant portions of my earnings in the form of donations to aid the mentally ill (gay or straight, I don’t ask), and it really doesn’t matter that I’ve spent time protecting the public from Rabies, TB, Anthrax, Lyme Disease and Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (didn’t get to pick who I protected there).  What really matters out there in the real world at the moment?  I don’t give fuzzy hugs to flagrant homosexuals even though I tolerate them, I don’t want to provide insane, childlike feminists with anything or even talk to them and I’m tired of the government wanting a pile of my money to pay for the latter.  Those things and the fact that I dress and drive how I’ve previously explained.  I am persecuted for this.  But that’s not at all important James, because you’re gay.

Didachos wrote:

I guess that the point I wanted to make is that if we invalidate someone’s experience because he is gay or for whatever other randomly chosen variable, we will be reducing the pool of “worthy” people and at the end it becomes WSMCWSMGTOW (White Straight Middle aged Conservative Wealthy Suburban MGTOW, keep adding acronyms to suit your taste…)

  Well now.  Looky here.  A valid point, mixed in with all your insecurity, random weirdness and super-gay anti-redneckiness.  Well done.  Care to elaborate?  I’ll even leave the room so you can talk.

 

I’ve also added plenty to this conversation while you’ve added very little.  If you wanted a forum that only has nice fuzzy feelings, fabricated “truths” and kittens, this site even has that.  I’m not sure if you’d enjoy the company though.

Didachos wrote:

It must be the greatest thing on earth to live in a land where you just need to say that someone is a Commie or something smells of Socialism and that’s the end of the conversation.

  In fact James, it’s beyond great.  It’s REALLY f~~~ing cool.  There are few places where one can these days, lest they be molested by the perpetually offended.

Didachos wrote:

I will not delve into this much further since we all have made our positions clear. I guess that the point I wanted to make is that if we invalidate someone’s experience because he is gay or for whatever other randomly chosen variable, we will be reducing the pool of “worthy” people and at the end it becomes WSMCWSMGTOW (White Straight Middle aged Conservative Wealthy Suburban MGTOW, keep adding acronyms to suit your taste…)

Didachos wrote:

J out

  Don’t be such a dismissive little s~~~, it really reeks of Tuna.

What is your position, really? I can’t say that you really delved into anything at all, or made any position other than to say that you’re gay and offended.  Well, I guess if that’s how you must truly introduce yourself to us and then say goodbye, James, then, “Welcome Gay James and Goodbye Gay James”.  Who knows?  You might be going your own way.  We might never know.

May your journey not be so fraught as our perceived discourse.

 

 

[DakotaParticipant 341]

@james:  It’s clear that you are a gay man and we are not going to agree (However, I do commend you for not starting out, “Hi, I’m James and I’m Gay”…or “I’m James and Oddly, I’m Gay!  What?!?!”)  My main thesis since the very beginning of this thread (and thank you James for adding credibility to said thesis) is that gay men want nothing more than to talk about being gay.  You, as a gay man, railed in YOUR VERY FIRST POST about what was most important to you, being gay and the “hate” that other gay men have suffered on the MGTOW forum.  Typical.  Like flies to s~~~…gay men love this thread!  Do you have anything else to say besides gay topics?  Anything before you storm off in a huff?

I’ve also got to call you out on this “hate” name-calling bulls~~~.  It makes you look ignorant.  Using words like hate, racist, anti-semite, sexist, etc., are words used by a particular group to shame said group and to win over the simple-minded to a position that they would not normally support.

For instance,  when I (and every country in the world except the US) say that Israel is guilty of war crimes for explicitly and purposefully bombing Palestinian children playing on a playground, it is Israel and their American Neo-Con patsies that would INSTANTLY call me an anti-semite to redirect the accusation and turn the argument from THEIR war crimes to MY “hate.”  Like those kids are missing arms and legs and eyes because of my “hate.”  It is a very effective tactic, no doubt, but people are starting to see it for what it is, a tactic.  I do not hate gays.  I do not hate women.  I abhor their actions.

Didachos wrote:

It must be the greatest thing on earth to live in a land where you just need to say that someone is a Commie or something smells of Socialism and that’s the end of the conversation.

Don’t I wish!  I CURRENTLY live in a city where one of the city council members is OPENLY SOCIALIST.  And she has a strong following and gets re-elected all the time (poor, inner city, marginalized, bulls~~~ to keep her in power.  The usual.).  Revisiting failed political systems of the past seems idiotic since, well…they failed.  But some people would like to resurrect these failed ideas over and over and over and call them special, FUNtastic names.  So yeah, I enjoy playing Whac-A-Mole when they rear their ugly heads.  And no…nothing I say is meant to be “the end of the conversation.”  That comment alone says, “I don’t like where my irrational argument is going so I’m going to take all my toys and go home.  Besides, all I wanted to talk about was being gay, so there!”

EscapedMentalPatient wrote:

….lawdee knows we white pickup truck drivin’, breeder guys just randomly drive around hatin’ stuff yassir. Assa matterr-a-fact I think I forgot one of my “I Goddamn Hate Watermelon” meetings this very afternoon.

EscapedMentalPatient wrote:

Make a pottery statue of some guy getting sucked off and put it on your front lawn for all I care.

@EMP:  I’ve been looking everywhere for a yard-art statue of a guy getting sucked-off!  Can you bring one to the meeting this afternoon?

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

Dakota wrote:

@EMP: I’ve been looking everywhere for a yard-art statue of a guy getting sucked-off! Can you bring one to the meeting this afternoon?

Goddamn brother.  Sorry.  I just sold out of the last of them yesterday.  I do gots me a pile of them ones left where there’s a lady doing a man though.  No one seems to buy them anymore.  Also, I forgot to tell you about the meeting change.  Zeke couldn’t make it, so hating Watermelons is next Tuesday’s topic.  Tonight is “F~~~ YOU TENNIS SHOES AND ASSORTED APPLIANCES!!!”.  Please bring that copy of  “I Like To Burn Stuff, And Other Various Hobbies” I sold you last week.  I lost my copy and am having a bitch of a time quoting from “Hammering The S~~~ Out Of Inanimate Objects”.

[DakotaParticipant 341]

“I just sold out of the last of them yesterday.” EMP

Well s~~~.  Yeah, it does seem them ones with a guy doing a girl is so…so…20th Century.  The very idea of vaginal sex is like want’n to go back to the old black and white TVs.  Damn Son, times sho have changed.  Guess I’ll have to go meet Cooter out at the woodpile and pretend that his ass is Sally Jo’s mouth.

Well f~~~ me.  If Watermelons are next week and Shoes & Appliances are tonight…what in TARnations am I suppose to do with all this lighter fluid bossman told me to pick up?  This is exactly the kinda s~~~ that’s gonna make me join some hippy group that’s against what we’re against.  S~~~, now I done forgot what I was against again.  I hate so many things these days…I can’t keep this s~~~ straight no more!  Damn! 

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

Dakota wrote:

“I just sold out of the last of them yesterday.” EMP Well s~~~. Yeah, it does seem them ones with a guy doing a girl is so…so…20th Century. The very idea of vaginal sex is like want’n to go back to the old black and white TVs. Damn Son, times sho have changed. Guess I’ll have to go meet Cooter out at the woodpile and pretend that his ass is Sally Jo’s mouth. Well f~~~ me. If Watermelons are next week and Shoes & Appliances are tonight…what in TARnations am I suppose to do with all this lighter fluid bossman told me to pick up? This is exactly the kinda s~~~ that’s gonna make me join some hippy group that’s against what we’re against. S~~~, now I done forgot what I was against again. I hate so many things these days…I can’t keep this s~~~ straight no more! Damn!

Noowwwwwww hole on right there feller.  We talked about the lighter fluid.  Stillll got no eyebrows here.  You jess remember.  This time the hole in the bottle gets pointed AT the melon patch.  Not at’n ourselves.  And don’t be worrying about forgettin what we is against.  There’s losssssssa S~~~ we can hate.  I hates cats, I HATES liquorice, I hates shovels, I hates frogs, I hates the devil and I hates god, I hates love and I even starded hatin’ hate.  We can always hate ourselves and take that out on everyone else too.  There been some of that goin around.  I HATE people that hate me for me hatin them that they hatin themselves.

Now I’m hungry.

[DakotaParticipant 341]

EscapedMentalPatient wrote:

We talked about the lighter fluid.

No SIr.  We did not discuss the lighter fluid.  If we had, I SURE WOULDN’T BE WEAR’N THIS GOD DAMN TOUPE!

Look,  I guess I’m just feelin a little sensitive right now about the group.  It seems like every time we try and hate on stuff it blows up in our faces.

Take the 4th meeting on the 2nd Tuesday of the 3rd month.  The Honorable Grand Potentate Windfart, Jesse Taylor told me he needed me to pick up a Uhaul, a s~~~-ton of Miracle Grow, and fill every empty bottle of moonshine I could find with diesel fuel.  Hell, I didn’t think nothin of it.  I figured he wanted to fix Ol’ Man Patterson’s cotton field after we burned it when we tried to burn all them old Bruce Jenner Wheaties boxes from around town.

I tried to tell Jesse that I don’t rent Uhaul trucks no more on account of that was the truck me and Sally Jo used to move into our first single-wide trailer together…bad memories n’all.  I sure miss the way she used to tickle my b~~~~ during WWF pay per view WrestleMania events.  Anyhow, so I git me a one of them Ryder trucks instead.  I like yeller better anyhow.  So I fill this truck up like I’m supposed to, park it out front of our trailer and go in to catch the last five minutes of Hee Haw.

Juss then, I hear Carl the mailman comin up the road.  I can always tell it’s Carl cause his truck is miss’n on 2 cylinders, hell, he can barely make it up the damn hill.  I told him I’d adjust the carb for him one day but he thinks it’s e-lectrical.  It’s not.  The float in the carb bowl has a hole in it.  Duh.  I wait a few minutes for him to leave since he wants to talk about his wife’s hemorrhoids all the time and I just don’t care to hear about it anymore.  She needs to eat more fiber and get off her fat, lazy ass.  All she do is sit around watching Maury Povich Show trying to figure out who’s daddy it is.  I told her it’s not real but she thinks it’s got to be real on account that all men are rascals.

Anyhow, so Carl leaves and I go to fetch the mail.  ‘Bout the time I open the mailbox…BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!  I was like…What the f~~~ jus happened?  I turn around and the trailer, my truck, the Ryder, my other truck that needs a starter, my other truck that needs a fuel pump, my other truck that needs a battery, and even the f~~~in’ dog house is gone.  Gone.  The only thing left is the wheels they used to roll the trailer in place and ol’ Roscos’s dog bowl.

Jus then, Sally Jo pulls up in the yard.  Didn’t say a f~~~in’ word.  Drove off.  It’s best she didn’t say a f~~~’n word…I was in no mood to hear her s~~~.  Like the time I blew-up the BBQ grill…boy she just wouldn’t let it go.  That is, until I took a took a piture of her goin’ down on Suzy the Loozie down at Roy’s bar.  Told her I’d pass it round the choir on Sunday if she didn’t shut her mouth.  She did.

So you see EMP…it’s not about the damn lighter fluid.  Because of all our hatin’, I lost my dog, Sally Ho Jo, my trucks, and my home.  You know what?  I think James is right!  Sorry EMP, I’ve made a D-cision…I’M GOING GAY!  I’m startin to feel lighter already.  Maybe the one thing I’ve been fighting this whole time is the one thing I NEEDED most!  I’m a new man, EMP!  I got WINGS buddy!  First thing I’m gonna do to sever myself from  the past is to set all of this hateful lighter fluid on fire as a symbol of me moving forward into my new life.  Click click click, f~~~in lighter, click click click BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

 

 

 

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

That was a hilarious read, Dakota.  You are a seriously creative fellow lol.

All kidding aside, it’s too bad that James didn’t return.  Having only “Im Gay” to offer as substance is a sad thing.  It really does do a pile of injustice to successful, secure gay people who’ve always gotten on with their lives, regardless of what the political climes were.  They were always too damned busy leading their lives to give a s~~~ about what others thought, or to constantly stop and give pause to their sexuality.  It really is a drag.

I’ve worked with gay guys, had a close gay friend (he was a successful cop who really didn’t make the issue central to his life), have two gay cousins (one is a super-successful “dyke” lol, the irony there is I never used the word dyke until she slung it around on a daily basis to describe herself.  The other is a gay guy who is and always has been one of the greatest irritants and annoyants that I’ve ever come across.  He absolutely…..can not…..get through a five minute conversation……….without being gay.  He consistently tries to put out feelers with anyone he comes across as to what they think of his lifestyle, and enjoys seeing how uncomfortable he can make them.  He’s one of the biggest losers I’ve ever met in my life, it’s nearly his entire existence.)

Alexander the Great, if we must view him as gay or bisexual, didn’t make a bunch of apologies and didn’t go around whining whilst creating one of the greatest empires the world has ever seen.

 

[DakotaParticipant 341]

EMP, I must concur.  I actually thought we had a guy in James who would like to sensibly discuss the topic.  Hell, I was hoping Jamibu would have stuck around to engage the subject that HE started.  He actually sounded like a nice guy.  But nobody wants to discuss WHY these gay men NEED to announce that their gay.  James’s answer was that Jamibu was writing his introduction, so it was fitting that he tell things about himself.  Uh huh.  I’ve heard 100s of intros and met thousands of people in real life for the first time and not one said “My name is so and so, I’m gay.”  Not a single one.  Finding out the answer to that one question is like asking the government to show us the Alien bodies it retrieved at Roswell; not answering or not answering well makes one appear like one might be hiding something.

Which leads me to this. Folks who read this thread may wonder what the hell these dudes give a s~~~ about chasing gay guys around the forum anyhow.  Here’s my answer and it has nothing to do with gay guys at all.  The MGTOW Forum is a place like no other.  To some it’s a life saver.  To others it’s a place of belonging.  Here’s a post from an Introduction just tonight:

“I just found this site today, and I’ve been posting like a bastard. Got years of pent up frustration to deal with, but I finally found a home on the Internets. Cheers, mate!”

That’s the sad truth of it.  Real life.  A man’s life.  There’s no place for men anymore, on the web or otherwise. Think about the guy who grows up in a single mother home. The mother brainwashes this young lad to see the world as she does. And then his female teachers do the same with sexual harassment classes. And then when you go to work they send you to sensitivity training. As if all that didn’t seal the deal…the level of domestication necessary to eke-out even a somewhat peaceful marriage should almost be considered a war crime or in the least, mutilation.

So yeah.  This place is important.  This place is important TO ME.  And I will be god-damned if someone or some group is gonna sneak-in a side window and NOT expect to get hockey-checked up against the f~~~ing wall.  And I’m far from the only one who thinks about it that way.

So if you’re gay and you’re reading this post, and you’re thinking about signing up to tell everyone that you suck dick, THERE ARE OTHER SITES FOR THAT; try whitehouse.gov as they have an unhealthy, strange obsession these days with gay rights, gay marriage, gay benefits, gay troops, gay rainbow lights, etc.  If you want to discuss men’s issues OTHER THAN sucking dick, by all means, enter through the FRONT door and say…

“Hi, my name is _____.  It’s great to be here.”

[GarnogParticipant 23]

Well Jimmy, it’s called MEN going their own way, not gay men or straight men so I suppose it would be hypocritical not to accept another man just because of sexual orientation. The unifying factor here is our collective frustration with a society that women have turned into their own personal dumping ground on men, and our assertion that this deranged double standard will no longer be tolerated.  I didn’t come to this forum as a place to take sides on the gay/straight issue… there are other websites for that. I am here to say that the war on men by women will not stand, because we as men have taken a stand.

[QcummerParticipant 652]

Really Garnog,

Here’s your words:
“Welcome: I am new here as well but like yourself adopted the MGTOW lifestyle long before it was a cool acronym. I think it is hard for those people still munching on blue pills to accept that we aren’t gay (I assume gays would be on their own forums)

The only real ‘unifying’ factor is NO MARRIAGE CONTRACTS.

I’m a professional c~~~ punter…just warming up my legs right now.

[GarnogParticipant 23]

I’m not at all certain what you meant by your comment, however as long as you like to throw my words back at me, try this:

“I didn’t come to this forum as a place to take sides on the gay/straight issue… THERE ARE OTHER WEBSITES FOR THAT”

Also, I don’t really appreciate the ‘c~~~ punter’ reference. Care to explain?

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

Dakota wrote:

EMP, I must concur. I actually thought we had a guy in James who would like to sensibly discuss the topic. Hell, I was hoping Jamibu would have stuck around to engage the subject that HE started. He actually sounded like a nice guy. But nobody wants to discuss WHY these gay men NEED to announce that their gay. James’s answer was that Jamibu was writing his introduction, so it was fitting that he tell things about himself. Uh huh. I’ve heard 100s of intros and met thousands of people in real life for the first time and not one said “My name is so and so, I’m gay.” Not a single one. Finding out the answer to that one question is like asking the government to show us the Alien bodies it retrieved at Roswell; not answering or not answering well makes one appear like one might be hiding something. Which leads me to this. Folks who read this thread may wonder what the hell these dudes give a s~~~ about chasing gay guys around the forum anyhow. Here’s my answer and it has nothing to do with gay guys at all. The MGTOW Forum is a place like no other. To some it’s a life saver. To others it’s a place of belonging. Here’s a post from an Introduction just tonight: “I just found this site today, and I’ve been posting like a bastard. Got years of pent up frustration to deal with, but I finally found a home on the Internets. Cheers, mate!” That’s the sad truth of it. Real life. A man’s life. There’s no place for men anymore, on the web or otherwise. Think about the guy who grows up in a single mother home. The mother brainwashes this young lad to see the world as she does. And then his female teachers do the same with sexual harassment classes. And then when you go to work they send you to sensitivity training. As if all that didn’t seal the deal…the level of domestication necessary to eke-out even a somewhat peaceful marriage should almost be considered a war crime or in the least, mutilation. So yeah. This place is important. This place is important TO ME. And I will be god-damned if someone or some group is gonna sneak-in a side window and NOT expect to get hockey-checked up against the f~~~ing wall. And I’m far from the only one who thinks about it that way. So if you’re gay and you’re reading this post, and you’re thinking about signing up to tell everyone that you suck dick, THERE ARE OTHER SITES FOR THAT; try whitehouse.gov as they have an unhealthy, strange obsession these days with gay rights, gay marriage, gay benefits, gay troops, gay rainbow lights, etc. If you want to discuss men’s issues OTHER THAN sucking dick, by all means, enter through the FRONT door and say… “Hi, my name is _____. It’s great to be here.”

Brilliant, Dakota.  Particularly the sneaking in a side window, hockey-check part.

I think it’s important that things don’t just remain unsaid, or become twisted very quietly into something else.  The attitude of “United We Stand, Divided We Fall” thrown around like a Hallmark greeting can be dangerous, as put forth by James.  Just who are “We“?  This is often, and still being defined.

Sneaking in, making some catty little remark, and then prancing off all indignant-like hyuk hyuk while calling himself “We” can be a very quiet form of sabotage.  As well, I really don’t like how @resonance just casually throws out there that we’re predominantly gay, without anyone calling him/her on it.

As Keymaster has said on more than one occasion, “Lurkers” are reading here.  Someone might well stop by, and the first comment they digest here is “We’re MGTOW, and most of us are gay.  Anyway, onto other things”.  And without tangible, verbal or written resistance to that, I think we run the risk of someone who really needs the help of this place not joining, because of the fact that they aren’t gay.

To say that we are a predominantly “Gay Community” with such flippancy could be, and most likely was, a very subtle form of sabotage, and it’s no better than a feminist showing up here demanding to be a part of something, just because she can.

Be leaving so many things unsaid over the years, and leaving them to assumption, a great deal of damage has been done.

Can you be gay and be MGTOW?  I don’t know, can you James?  Tell me.  Tell me something about being a MGHOW.  Tell me that first.  I think the real question is “Can You Be A MGHOW, Be Gay, And Not Make The Latter The Issue”?  A great many of us didn’t walk into this place to explore our sexuality, or hear about someone else’s.  And I really don’t think many of our members would argue with me on this point.  I could very well be wrong, and if someone takes offence to the following, please tell me.

But straight men are served this injustice on a daily basis, and are persecuted for it.  We can not, walk into a room at 99.9% of the world’s modern places and say “Hi, I f~~~ women”.  For God’s sake, that has been turned into rape.  But because Gay men have marched alongside feminists, and have felt the sting of “conservative social injustice”, they have free reign to announce this upon entry (no pun intended)?  Society routinely thinks, publishes and demands that ALL MEN DO, is sit around and talk about women’s asses, their t~~~, and f~~~ing them.  They demand that we are %100 instruments of raw sexuality and that is all there is to a man.  They want us reduced to that. They want history changed and reduced to THAT.  A man gets up in the morning, thinks sex, sex, sex, sex, makes some toast, tries to find a way to f~~~ it, goes to work, thinks all day about f~~~ing the woman (or man apparently) in the booth next to him, thinks about raping her, goes home, has a beer, f~~~s the beer bottle, and then cries while looking at porn because he can’t get any in real life.  John Cabot didn’t cross the f~~~ing Atlantic in a leaky wooden f~~~ing ship whilst wondering if he could find a way to jam his pecker in a 5 pound cannon and make that work.  Men……………Have………….The …………….Greatest……….Substance…………The………..World………..Has………….EVER………..Known.  We aren’t just raging bags of testosterone with a flailing c~~~ attached to it, regardless of what we are shoving our dicks into.  Jesus Christ, flagellated amoeba have more purpose than that.  THAT is the injustice.  We built this world.  We didn’t do it by f~~~ing our hammer.

I didn’t happen upon this site and read the first ten posts of:

“So, I f~~~ed this broad last night.  Did her three ways from Sunday.  I shoved my c~~~ down her throat.”

“This chick had HUGE melons man.  Me and my friends ganged her; she loved every minute of it.  She was covered from head to toe”

Modern society would like very much if that was the substance of MGTOW.com.  They expect that of us.  That is what we are to them.  And f~~~ them.

Would any guy here object to another man telling a story as such?  I highly highly doubt it.

However, I read men’s introductions here and they are trying to tell us all something.  Some of these introductions are fraught with pain and sheer misery.  There is an underlying theme of unison here in the insane injustices that many of us have faced at the hands of a very f~~~ed up traditional system which has been hijacked by more than half of the population in an effort to completely degrade men.  We aren’t MRA, by definition of these injustices.  We are handling these injustices in a very different set of manners.

I’m sure MGTOW can f~~~ with the best of them.  I’m sure some of us were champs or are champions in our sexuality, whether we are f~~~ing a woman, a man or a knot in a tree.

But I’m pretty sure that’s not why were here.

 

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