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Anonymous3Let’s not be so dramatic: once swallowed, red pill cannot be undone.
He said that he still reject the idea of marriage contract and cohabitation. This is a good basis.Yeah right. Dude is in his early-20s. The hormones will probably drive him past any reason, while women will easily manipulate him.
I would have had issues myself, only reason I didn’t is that I was “pretty” and girls were extremely protective of me. They were constantly warning me and shoving the red pill down my throat.
I doubt this guy will be that lucky, since he mentioned having trouble with women and being frustrated and all that.
Most men seem to need to burn their hands on the stove first. Very few men will have women take them in front of the stove, grab another man, put his hand in the stove, and tell him “see, that would happen to you too, don’t let women do that to you”.
The hormones will probably drive him past any reason, while women will easily manipulate him.
He has to make his own experiences…
I would have had issues myself, only reason I didn’t is that I was “pretty” and girls were extremely protective of me. They were constantly warning me and shoving the red pill down my throat.
When I became a company owner there were actually (tradcon) women from my customer base, warning me about gold diggers that “don’t work”, “only spend”, “only take and never give” and “then take off and divorce”…
Phoenix, what you you say is platinum “verified”. MGTOW approved “place stamp here”
Some even referenced their own daughters or in-laws.
“Well Mr. Gargamel, things aren’t so easy nowadays”…
I know, but I always liked flashing cash and playing with gold diggers. I would even dedicate a spanking spoon to them and write their name on the handle of that spoon. And use it. Gold diggers swallow everything to get a glimpse of your wallet.
Most men seem to need to burn their hands on the stove first. Very few men will have women take them in front of the stove, grab another man, put his hand in the stove, and tell him “see, that would happen to you too, don’t let women do that to you”.
We will be here when he comes back. So far, I have always been right.
Maybe he finds his unicorn.
Like finding a dog that doesn’t bark.
My kitty cat will keep him company till then…
Puurrrrrr
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Let’s not be so dramatic: once swallowed, red pill cannot be undone.
He said that he still reject the idea of marriage contract and cohabitation. This is a good basis.Then why the need for the unnecessary long rant? It sounds to me he’s about to pull a Cypher but whatever it’s his choice. Personally I’m not surprised he left mgtow I always suspected as such from him.
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Sure your plans sound good on paper. But if they actually played out that way (a simple solution like “we just have to try and put in the effort), MGTOW wouldn’t have so many members.
are you a chia pet in man drag How much of your precious life are you willing to let your biology dictate before you walk your own path again?
Making women your mission is definitely not a good idea. To chase women is absolutely exhausting and a drain on your male vitality. That’s why I only talk to one a day.
It’s very different when a man don’t get laid because he doesn’t care about getting laid: he’s a winner, the very opposite of a loser.
I’m not going to be so presumptuous as to say that all men who claim they don’t care about getting laid are lying (apparently, Buddhist monks subject themselves to such great discomfort and privations that apparently, eventually, they just stop giving a s~~~ and find peace).
But I will say that I absolutely do care about find a woman/women.
After his first divorce in 4.5 years, the cat will be grown up and keep him company while writing his child support and vaginamony checks…
Please reread my original post. You will notice that I said I still believe marriage and cohabitation are losing deals.
Dude is in his early-20s. The hormones will probably drive him past any reason, while women will easily manipulate him.
Yes, I’m definitely changing. I’m not the same person I was a year ago. I’m very happy about the direction my life seems to be going. Perhaps you’re right, in thirty, forty years, I’ll probably think what I wrote here is silly.
Maybe he finds his unicorn.
I think many men have unrealistic expectations of relationships. Men have been brainwashed by Disney and the like to believe in the concept of soulmates and eternal, unbreakable, unconditional love.
Romance, sex, and pair-bonding are not meant to last. I remember a Louis CK bit where he says something along the lines of it’s completely unrealistic to believe that your “YES, THIS F~~~ING PERSON, I LOVE THIS F~~~ING PERSON, I WANT THIS PERSON ALL THE TIME” emotion can be that strong forever.
I don’t think I’ll find a unicorn; that’s silly. What I don’t think is silly that maybe I’ll be able to find a couple women throughout my life that I can spend certain amounts of time, and have sex, with, and that these relationships can be generally positive.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
Sure your plans sound good on paper. But if they actually played out that way (a simple solution like “we just have to try and put in the effort), MGTOW wouldn’t have so many members.
Not sure.
Most MGTOWs have been burned because they didn’t have any red pill knowledge, not because the women outsmarted them.
In fact most women don’t even think about screwing you, it’s just their instinct to make them to act as so.
Red pill is actual, rational, knowledge, against female instinct – instinct, not “tactic”. It’s very clear what is superior. The only way to fail is rejecting the red pill knowledge by thinking you’ve found an unicorn.
Old Italian proverb disagree:
“Men marry women hoping that women don’t change. Then women change”
Red pill is just a little footnote: “women always change, as the proverb says, men who hope that women will not change are idiots”.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
Please reread my original post. You will notice that I said I still believe marriage and cohabitation are losing deals.
i was just joking to sharpen your awareness.
Don’t say you were not warned. LOL.
I think many men have unrealistic expectations of relationships. Men have been brainwashed by Disney and the like to believe in the concept of soulmates and eternal, unbreakable, unconditional love.
And women were even more hypnotized by Disney to have absurd expectations on men.
Every woman gladly plays unicorn if you fit her “toilet paper roll” long list of expectations.
Almost all women will be unicorns, until your money runs out or you get sick.
Soulmate = Slave
eternal love = as long as your money lasts
Unbreakable = until someone richer comes along
Unconditional = after she gets everything on her list, then the conditions start again… No new car, no sex…
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
But I will say that I absolutely do care about find a woman/women.
The point is: why do you care about find a woman?
Example of why I asked it, through two possible answers:
“Because I think that I have to made various experiences before feeling complete/fullfilled” – GOOD, GREEN LIGHT.
“Because I think that living alone sucks, I think I would be better off with a woman sharing my life” – BAD, RED FLAG.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
The point is: why do you care about find a woman?
Short answer: biology.
Long answer: because I think it is possible to have a positive relationship with a woman. Actually, I know it’s possible, because I’ve had one before.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
The point is: why do you care about find a woman?
Short answer: biology.
Long answer: because I think it is possible to have a positive relationship with a woman. Actually, I know it’s possible, because I’ve had one before.
And then it ended. The only way it’s possible is if you’re giving up something about yourself. Expectations, effort, dignity, pride.. There’s a part of you where you KNOW certain things are bound to happen and so if you want to continue the relationship, then you’re going to have to let it slide. That’s the only way, and frankly, the world is filled with guys who did just that. They’ve convinced themselves that it was for the better of the relationship. And they’re wrong. Compromise is for politicians, and businesses.
Don’t do it man, you are playing another being’s game that they have total control over and you are going into a spider’s net. F~~~ it bro MGTOW forever. If you were mgtow you cannot undo it. Just like if you’ve converted to Islam once you cannot go back, otherwise you get whacked. Don’t we have some code of loyalty here?
On the other hand I’ve myself joined POF a month ago once again just to delete it the next day because it’s all the same faces, and same s~~~ty attitudes about how you should accept their kids, dogs, cats. Always asking you to put yourself on the front lines, but never volunteer themselves to do f~~~ all.
Just like someone posted a picture of grenades, but I say it’s more of a landmine. Don’t do it man, don’t give in to pussy.
MGTOW AKBAR
The point is: why do you care about find a woman?
Short answer: biology.
Long answer: because I think it is possible to have a positive relationship with a woman. Actually, I know it’s possible, because I’ve had one before.
Short answer: it’s the opposite. Men aren’t biologically programmed to have long-term relationships with women, it’s entirely a social construct, meant to benefit women. Men are programmed to have short-term relationships lasting few months, and alternating those with casual sex / one-night stands.
Long answer: Sure, it’s possible.
Last relationship I had with a woman lasted from march 2015 to september 2016, it had been positive for about 90% of the 18 months. Then I was slightly tired while she wished to step up by starting to live together.Question B: how do you think that a relationship is going to improve your life? In which ways?
SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
It is a real life red-pill to go from unattractive to attractive because you see two sides of women. I went through a similar thing when i was younger when i first started getting into shape and experienced a similar situation when i first started getting success in my business. I never cared about women’s companionship though.
Over time i was eventually forced to choose between my own interests and her interests; after several months all the women wanted to get more serious and i left immediately. My own well being is always my priority.
Just like someone posted a picture of grenades, but I say it’s more of a landmine. Don’t do it man, don’t give in to pussy.
This is what women are.
“00:00:00” is the mark when they think they have you locked in.
Even before marriage.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Short answer: biology.
In other words, this isn’t you writing this.
It’s your dick.
You gotta stop letting the little head make your decisions.
Long answer: because I think it is possible to have a positive relationship with a woman.
Of course it’s possible. I, myself, have positive relationships with several women.
But they remain positive because I never let my c~~~ make any decisions about them.
What your dick is recommending is essentially risking everything you have, your stuff, your liberty, and your future, on a “relationship lottery ticket”. Your brain knows the odds are low, the cost is high, and the risks are great, but your dick doesn’t care about any of that. So you’re going to do it anyways. And it isn’t going to work out for you.
Actually, I know it’s possible, because I’ve had one before.
Note the word “before”. You’re not still in that relationship, are you? So it wasn’t all that positive after all. But your dick doesn’t see that. It also doesn’t see that you’re young. It doesn’t know that some low-stakes youthful fling you had in the past is no comparison to, nor predictor of, future results. On the contrary, as women get older, and especially as they start seeing a lifetime of work ahead of them, the stakes in relationships with them become higher, the costs more, the risks greater, and the potential rewards fewer.
Now I’m not telling you not to go for it. Clearly your dick has made your choice.
I’m just letting you now I will be telling you: “I told you so,” later when it inevitably blows up in your face. There will come a day when you will say to yourself: “I wish I’d listened to Sidecar and the rest instead of my dick.”
But that is not my problem.
It is a real life red-pill to go from unattractive to attractive because you see two sides of women. I went through a similar thing when i was younger when i first started getting into shape and experienced a similar situation when i first started getting success in my business. I never cared about women’s companionship though.
Over time i was eventually forced to choose between my own interests and her interests; after several months all the women wanted to get more serious and i left immediately. My own well being is always my priority.
In our language:
Marriage and LTR is like trading Forex (during NFP) with no stop loss and leverage of 1:1000.
Ouch. It can work out but sometimes it depletes your entire account.
And you put a 30 pip stop on women. And your SL pending order was executed because no kids were involved…
LOL.
I went through many phases in life and I have seen women from almost all sides that way. From being belittled and pitied to being chased. “Is this seat still free?”
It was so bad that some of my older female classmates wouldn’t even look at me in public. They knew what they had done and they didn’t give me the opportunity to look down on them. They knew I could or might say something like “enjoy your poverty” as some kind of revenge.
But they gave a long lasting look to my car when it was still new…
As if to say “How can this loser get this far”…
Some of them actually said things like this to me “No one here expected you to become an “Industrial” (2005)”…
It becomes very drastic if you went through all of these phases in the same location and had to deal with the same people.
When you see kids that once spat at you, now as adults begging you to “make it cheaper” because of “divorce” and “debt”…
Your whole world and belief system turns upside down. All people that used to shame you are suddenly begging you to do s~~~ for them…
And I always behaved as if nothing had ever happened…
Professional success training.
You are “above” the TV drama yelling show watching “class”.
And “above” women that give all of their time to the smartphone and ignore you.
You are “above” needing pussy and sacrificing all of your achievements for “the hole”.
There comes a time when rich achievers will also tell you: “You don’t need a woman from the low-class”…”They will only drag you down”…
“Look out they are only after your money”…
(These words didn’t come from losers, but people that paid my rates effortlessly)(Some of them had gotten wind that I became the company owner because the wife of my former boss had forced him to give it up. And they were worried about the same happening to me)
“Feeling ashamed” turns into pride that way. So it is official: I did the right thing by never letting one of these profane, selfish, hating and aggressive monsters into my life.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Brother, go your own way. F~~~ everyone else, but remember what you learned.
We will be here for you.
What Jan says.
Let me say I appreciate your honesty. I also really appreciated how well written your post was, but mostly that you didn’t go on some insulting/condescending tirade about us. That shows a level of maturity.
You control your destiny. We are not a cult or a club, as some seem to think, you are your own person. I wish you only luck, but cover your six at all times. A beer is waiting if you decide to return.
Fuck this planet.But I can tell you for certain that I believe my biology has won me over, and I don’t see it going away any time soon.
You’re thinking with your dick. Don’t think with your dick! It sounds like your SMV has increased after 6 months in the gym and you’re now noticing the hotties you would have automatically discounted in the past.
It only takes one of the women you hit on to misinterpret or feel threatened by your advances and your life will be over. How does being labeled a sex offender grab you? Obviously you’ll be completely innocent but her word alone would be enough to destroy you.
I recommend some serious fapping and a daily dose of mgtow.com. But have it your way.
However, this is also very good.
I’ve been a gym rat for years. Let me tell you, your looks are only a small part of the equation. It will get you tail, but nothing long term.
Fuck this planet.Every woman gladly plays unicorn if you fit her “toilet paper roll” long list of expectations.
Almost all women will be unicorns, until your money runs out or you get sick.
Soulmate = Slave
eternal love = as long as your money lasts
Unbreakable = until someone richer comes along
Unconditional = after she gets everything on her list, then the conditions start again… No new car, no sex…
Man, f~~~ing brutal, but so true. So true.
Appreciate the red pill adrenaline shot Gargamel.
Fuck this planet.Soulmate = Slave
eternal love = as long as your money lasts
Unbreakable = until someone richer comes along
Unconditional = after she gets everything on her list, then the conditions start again… No new car, no sex…
I do = she can’t
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