Might not be MGTOW anymore

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Cap285 wrote:

Man, f~~~ing brutal, but so true. So true.

Appreciate the red pill adrenaline shot Gargamel.

Here is more:

On the question if you would ever cry over a breakup…

Cry over a c~~~?

They always made the relations~~~ such a disgrace that it made me feel good and full of peace after they left.

I felt happy and sad at the same time. With happiness dominating and the sadness going away within hours.

Every encounter was good enough for years of monkdom.

Today I am glad to have had some female encounters after all:

I now FULLY APPRECIATE MY FREEDOM.

I couldn’t even think about having it any other way.

No tears, except one wet eye in 2004, but it was more the music I heard the next morning that described what happened. I was blocking off her c~~~ carousel and didn’t “commit”: She had to move on to the next dick. In 2016 she is still moving on…

So no sadness on a personal level. But sadness on a global level.

Only marriage would drive me to tears.

I would get a heart attack from an adrenaline shock if I woke up “married” one day…

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[Dashing Young DissidentSpectator]

Hey Rock,

Just f~~~ them. Maybe go to the cinema with them on the weekend or whatever,

Gargamel wrote:

And 99 percent are smartphone addicted and…

Damn straight. F~~~ing losers.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Dashing Young Dissident wrote:

Hey Rock,

Just f~~~ them. Maybe go to the cinema with them on the weekend or whatever,

Gargamel wrote:

And 99 percent are smartphone addicted and…

Damn straight. F~~~ing losers.

Meow!

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[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Eric Lauder wrote:

Short answer: it’s the opposite. Men aren’t biologically programmed to have long-term relationships with women, it’s entirely a social construct, meant to benefit women. Men are programmed to have short-term relationships lasting few months, and alternating those with casual sex / one-night stands.

Maybe you’re right. Marriage is bad, because you’re trying to use the force of society to keep together something that’s not meant to stay together; it exists only to provide a stable environment for the rearing of children.

Notice I didn’t say “I want to find a single woman to spend the rest of my life with.” That’s unrealistic. I have a really good friend whom I love to death, but I sure as s~~~ wouldn’t want to move in with him, let alone see him every day.

sidecar wrote:

What your dick is recommending is essentially risking everything you have, your stuff, your liberty, and your future, on a “relationship lottery ticket”.

I don’t think the risks are really that big if you don’t get married or cohabitate. Yeah, sure, if you go on the internet, you can find lots of stories about women tricking men into pregnancy, but I really do believe it’s the exception, not the norm in relationships (I believe divorce is the norm though). You can find any crazy story you can think of on the internet.

Just as it would be silly to never leave your house because a woman walking down the street next to you could cry rape and call the cops, it’s a little bit silly to never associate with a woman because it’s possible she could try to trap you into pregnancy.

sidecar wrote:

Note the word “before”. You’re not still in that relationship, are you? So it wasn’t all that positive after all.

That’s not at all how that works. If you must know, I’m not still in the relationship, because the paths our lives were to take meant we were living on opposite sides of the planet, and even though we loved each other it just wasn’t practical to maintain the relationship.

EDIT: Love the tags you guys are giving to this thread. That’s fine if you think that way, I didn’t expect everyone to understand or to even agree.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

EDIT: Love the tags you guys are giving to this thread. That’s fine if you think that way, I didn’t expect everyone to understand or to even agree.

Isn’t she pretty?

Meow Rowr!

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[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

I don’t think the risks are really that big if you don’t get married or cohabitate.

Or impregnate. That’s the big one. There are limits to how badly she can screw you over for marrying her or letting her into your home, but once she gets knocked up and claims it’s yours (whether it is or isn’t), you’re utterly f~~~ed “for the sake of the child”.

if you go on the internet, you can find lots of stories about women tricking men into pregnancy, but I really do believe it’s the exception, not the norm in relationships

You see all those single mothers out there? Those millions upon millions of single mothers. They all got pregnant somehow. They all have a baby daddy or two forking over monthly checks.

Still think it’s the exception?

The point is, it’s only an “exception” until it happens to you. By then it’s too late. And if she plans on trapping you in baby jail, it’s completely out of your hands. It doesn’t even have to be your sperm she does it with.

tl;dr: Get a vasectomy yesterday if not sooner, and document the f~~~ out of it.

because the paths our lives were to take meant we were living on opposite sides of the planet, and even though we loved each other it just wasn’t practical to maintain the relationship.

And that distance likely saved your ass, even though you don’t know it. Wait and see what she gets up to in about five years or so before making a call on that ex-relationship.

[TheStormWithinParticipant 778]

I think many men have unrealistic expectations of relationships. Men have been brainwashed by Disney and the like to believe in the concept of soulmates and eternal, unbreakable, unconditional love.

Romance, sex, and pair-bonding are not meant to last. I remember a Louis CK bit where he says something along the lines of it’s completely unrealistic to believe that your “YES, THIS F~~~ING PERSON, I LOVE THIS F~~~ING PERSON, I WANT THIS PERSON ALL THE TIME” emotion can be that strong forever.

I don’t think I’ll find a unicorn; that’s silly. What I don’t think is silly that maybe I’ll be able to find a couple women throughout my life that I can spend certain amounts of time, and have sex, with, and that these relationships can be generally positive.

I think you have this backward, my friend. If anything, Disney has brainwashed women into believing they’re “princesses”, and should be treated as such.

Furthermore, once you get yourself into a committed relationship, the woman will inevitably want things to always move forward. Talk to a woman, ANY woman about “complacency” and get back to me. You will get an ear full from them. I promise.

If it’s FWB scenarios you’re looking for, great, but if you’re looking to get into “relationships”, you are basically agreeing to do a lot of hoop jumping. Not to mention, most of them will end with a lot of drama and turmoil.

Aunt Esther: Fred, I'll have you know this body was blessed by Mother Nature!! Fred: Well, too bad your face was cursed by Father Time!

[Jim01Participant 6678]

Interesting thread

In an ideal world I would like to have a loving wife, a couple of kids and live in a quiet English countryside village….I would also like to fly a spacecraft and explore space – neither are going to happen

I think OP was never really MGTOW and as Sidecar puts it – the small head is in charge of his decision making.

But wtf is that telling women are cute thing? The desperation comes off you in waves even through a computer screen. Women are excellent at smelling it and using it for their own purposes…I see a future of you sitting at home texting how much you love your girlfriend whilst she is riding Chad’s c~~~ – I really don’t mean that in an offensive way but I think you are on the road to a big hurting

[SkinnySweatyManInAGreenSuitParticipant 94]

Damn so much repetitive heat I had to unsubscribe, my email was blowing up over this topic which has become something between a witch-hunt and soccer match imo. I trust Rock knows his life better than I do. I’m going to wait and see how his plan works out or not. If he stays in the group we can all benefit from his mistakes or successes.
Rock, let us know if you want advice or an opinion, thanks for sharing your ideas. If you ask me, I’ll gladly lend an ear and offer what I know.
Until then,
Good luck bro!

Beer & BBQ

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Cohabitating comes with big risks in some states. Live together long enough and you can fall under “common law marriage” in some states, which is effectively the same actually being married to the courts.

[Anonymous 1]

And if she is living in your house you have to legally evict her to get her out.

Which the hamster wheel can determine as harassment. Out comes the phone and the white knights with badges.
Sir… come with us.
It’s my house.
I won’t ask you again come with us.

You will be lucky if anything is left after you get home.
If you are allowed to go home.
As an added bonus you still have to pay for her to live there.

[MMLParticipant 1]

MGTOW is a “learning by doing” process, unfortunatly

[trader1913Participant 1577]

Anonymous wrote:

And if she is living in your house you have to legally evict her to get her out.

Which the hamster wheel can determine as harassment. Out comes the phone and the white knights with badges.
Sir… come with us.
It’s my house.
I won’t ask you again come with us.

You will be lucky if anything is left after you get home.
If you are allowed to go home.
As an added bonus you still have to pay for her to live there.

Cohabitation is already too late; it is usually the turning point where she has won the battle in the relationship over your freedom. It takes a lot of time and energy to undo it.

Women will try to get their feet wet, bring a spare toothbrush and some clothes and try to leave it at your place ‘just in case’. Stop that s~~~ immediately and remind her that this isnt her parent’s house.

If you let her take an inch she’ll take a mile.

[narwhalParticipant]

Rock, I like your point about vulnerability. I think that is absolutely true. All relationships come with a bit of risk if you want them to be any worth. It doesn’t really matter if it’s with male friends or a woman. And I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with wanting a relationship(s) with women.

That said however, I think you have to understand that in today’s world, society has shifted so that men take the vast majority of the risk in different sex relationships. If she approaches you to say “hi, you look nice today” she is taking on very little risk. If you reject her, she can just shame you to remove any embarrassment. If you do the same, then she could very well shame you or claim some sort of harassment. Not at all equal.

So take that in mind when you’re dealing with women. It’s on all levels, and particularly more risky for you the more intimate you are with her. The fact that you want it to be vulnerability on equal terms doesn’t mean that’s the reality of the situation.

She also will pretend that she is the more vulnerable one, that society is against her, and that you, being a man, are more capable of sustaining lose then she is for some reason. That her presence enriches your life without her doing anything, and therefore.

You also will be tempting to make sacrifices, do things you don’t want to do thinking it will return dividends in the future. It won’t, she’s not keeping tabs and won’t do the same for you.

But I agree with others, go ahead take risks and learn where you are most comfortable standing. But also accept that where you are comfortable may leave a biological want for more in you, but it’s just not within acceptable risk.

At your age, I think you are much better off getting involved with mixed social groups then trying to engage with strangers. This has three advantages. First, you can witness a woman’s behavior over a period of time before you take any risks with her. You may be completely enamored with a woman one week, and completely turned off by the next. I’ve met ton’s of women where that was the case. Second, a woman’s reputation is very important to you. If you and her have mutual acquaintances, then she will have more risk in being intimate with you, since behaving badly could greatly damage her social life. Probably the biggest advantage it also allows you to build strong relationships with other men. You may very well find that strong relationships with men is actually what you’re missing.

So, yes, I get what you want and there isn’t anything wrong with it. Just don’t pretend, deal with reality. I’m 44, and can’t say that what I want is all that different from you. I’ve just made my mistakes and learned that I don’t want to take those risks again. The women say I’m ‘damaged’. I could see my self in some sort of relationship again, but I like my life too much to spend much effort in trying to get that, nor am willing to risk anything that I have right now.

Ok. Then do it.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

trader1913 wrote:

If you let her take an inch she’ll take a mile.

Platinum!

All Women Are Like That!

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[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Relationship with a woman?

You’ll get to stoke her cat while she plays with her phone 24/7.

And you must clean the litter box while she watches “Oprah” 24/7.

Degrading.

At least her cat is worth your time.

Her cat is the only one who loves you in that game.

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[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

Good luck to you brother and be careful.

One thing I’ll add, the girls, they aren’t getting any better. Just sayin.

[Anonymous 2]

Rockmaninoff,

I wish you all the best, brother. If you stay away from marriage and cohabitating, and always wear a rubber, then at least you’re taking necessary precautions. Just remember, put up front that you have no interest in marriage or cohabitation. Otherwise, you’re setting yourself up for false charges of rape or domestic abuse. That’s not to say that still can’t happen (especially because some women think “he says that now, but I’ll get him to put a ring on it”), but it’s less likely to happen if you don’t lead them on.

Just take this piece of advice: The honeymoon phase ALWAYS ends after a while. Eventually, you end up having to do s~~~ together like hang out with her friends, go to family events, etc. Your plans and her plans now have to work around each other. The longer you stay together, the more the romance wears off, and the more dealing with a relationship becomes like a chore. At the very least, try to find one that enjoys her alone time, and for that reason dislikes cohabitation. They’re hard to find, but I know one woman like that, so it’s not unheard of.

You’re still MGTOW if you’re living by your rules and not allowing the system to have power over you. Once you let her move in, that’s where she starts getting control, and you start losing personal freedom. If you put a ring on her finger, you’re at the mercy of the gynocentric system, and she will fully use it to her advantage.

Good luck, and cover your ass!

[OldBillParticipant]

SkinnySweatyManInAGreenSuit wrote:

I’m going to wait and see how his plan works out or not.

Rocky’s plan will fail because it depends on the fidelity of a woman. When it does fail, we’ll be here to welcome him back.

In ‘The Histories” Herodotus tells a story which was old before he wrote it down.

A thief is brought before a king and condemned to death. When allowed to speak before being taken away to be killed, the thief tells the king a huge mistake is being made because he, the thief, is the greatest teacher in the world. When asked to prove it, the thief tells the king he will teach one of the king’s horses to sing. The king laughs, tells the thief he has one year to teach the horse, and orders him away.

Later the thief is in the stable singing to a horse when another prisoner asks him why he had made such an impossible claim.

The thief answers “Who know what will happen in a year? I may die, the king may die, or the horse may die. And maybe the horse will learn to sing.”

Rocky is hoping the horse will learn to sing. It’s a futile hope, but also a very human one.

Rocky is walking is own path and, although it will take him through horrors and tragedies, it will still lead him back here.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

OldBill wrote:

When it does fail, we’ll be here to welcome him back.

So I can already reserve a welcome cat for him.

I am thinking of a “Black Turkish Angora”

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