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Hey Vector. Have you actually analysed this poop.
“just go and live ur life, u haven’t missed me just fighting me and u have made some moves so I think ur fine without me u don’t need me” she also said… “i almost feel like going straight to ur house to get my stuff and go b/c I feel i’ll never be happy with you after all this”… and also “thanks for just making me feel awful and ruining this trip for me, we are not gonna be ok, and we will part ways and never talk again, this is just another disaster in my life I can add on to the pile and again I get s~~~ted on, it’s cool, i’m so numb I won’t allow it to hurt me.”
The Way I read it is putting a guilt trip on you. “Everything is cool. You don’t need me. You have already started to move on. You’ll be fine. You will be alright, I’ll suffer on. Don’t Worry” Then the safety hatch. “I’ll never be happy with you after all this” Like there is a possibility there will be an “after all this”. And back to the guilt trip “Thanks for ruining my trip. We’ll never hear of see each other ever again. You have taken advantage of a poor suffering female that has seen nothing but trouble all her life. But don’t worry. You will be OK, and I’ll survive somehow”.
Vector – You rotten bastard.
Oh i see.
She’s been Riding the “C~~~-Carousel” for the last 15 years now she wants to settle down with you.
Bullets dodged.
Change your name to Neo.
In her 20s, life gives an attractive woman all kinds of unearned perks and benefits. She intended and expected your effort, time, assets, attention, loyalty, children… to be part of that long stream of gifts that started with free dinners, movies etc as soon as she was old enough to date and free drinks as soon as she was old enough to drink.
But now, she’s arrived at that point where life stops giving her things, and begins to take them away. Looks start to fade. Fertility, and all the unearned perks, protections and freebies that go along with it… is also soon to expire.
Like any loss, the first reaction is denial, then bargaining. That’s where you are now. Those comments above are not the comments of a person who has accepted the end of the relationship and moved on. The only comment you get from a person like that is goodbye. The comments you are getting now are those of someone trying to negotiate. Trying guilt (about how you’ve damaged her and now she can never be happy again), sympathy (about what a poor helpless soul she is now), applying obligation or debt to you (for all she’s done for you), engaging her mother to challenge you about the way you chose to break the news to her… are all probes to test your response. They are just looking for cracks in the wall.
Almost hard to believe these things are coming from the same person that told you she was going to rule you, huh?
If she invites you to an in person meeting, and you’re dumb enough to step into that trap, you may get promises of how she has changed, or will change. She may ask what it would take for you to come back. You may get offered all the wild kinky monkey sex she would never have agreed to before, or anything else she can think of. It’s not like she has anything to lose now. And since she knows there will be no way for you to ever require to keep any promise that she makes to you at this point, she’d be crazy not to try. But all these are more probes.
This will all last until she realizes none of this is going to work. When she realizes that none of this is going to work, the negotiation will be over. There’s no way to predict the exact moment in time when this realization is going to occur. But when it does, the next step is anger/rage.
Brace yourself…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Vector, for the love of sanity, heed Brainpilot’s advice. You’re nearly out of this quicksand. Do not allow that “I will rule you” witch, to get her claws back into your brain. This is dangerous territory, get completely the eff out. She’s trying to create a void/ reverse psychology you/ all total BS, don’t let her make a fool out of you.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Wow. Vector words cannot express how lucky you are to have gotten out of this relationship now. A lot of your story mimics mine a few years ago but I avoided the warning signs and kept going until it was too late. I truly admire you for having the courage to wake up early and put a stop to this woman’s plan to “rule you”. Last year I was chatting with this attractive female on “plenty of s~~~s”/ POF for about a week. She seemed ok (no kids, good job, nice shape) – you know the too good to be true type of online chic. One day I just sat there looking at her pretty pic for about a minute and started imagining all of the lies, drama, money and time lost, constant talking and texting and just all around BS I would have to endure to get laid. Right then I just said to myself phuck it, it’s not even worth the time and effort and stopped responding to her (total MGTOW moment). I’m still awed by this story. Don’t ever look back or think that you made the wrong decision .
Hey Vector. I was thinking about you and your age and what-not, and thought Jesus, he’s at a perfect age for trolling Single Milfs as well as the younger stuff running around in Yoga Pants. Single MILFS are real easy. They make the maximum use of the few times they get to go out. They’ll take what ever they can get. So in your Honour I have posted 8 Essential Rules for Dating Single MILFS. They can’t keep tabls on you and they know that they are competing against all that young single tail out there. It won’t take you long before you are over the one that tried to turn you into an owned Beta Male.
So I spoke to her yesterday and she told me these things:
“if you ever told me this before that you never wanted to get married I would have never started a relationship.”
“when people are in love they get married, it’s the normal thing to do”
“I hope ur happy with all the hurt u have caused me, it’s seems to be that u don’t care and can live with it. I hope It doesn’t kill u to see what you lost when u see me with someone else married w kids I hope you never feel regret in that sense.”
“Well you don’t want to marry me, so what I’m just gonna be on standby forever?”
“I’m not gonna be with someone for their convenience let them have their cake and eat it too, no way”
This is exactly what it’s about guys. If you won’t marry them they will walk bc every woman wants to be married. It’s worth throwing love away in a woman’s eyes. But then again they can’t love the way a man can. They want our resources. Let her go find a blue pill pussy to kiss her ass that she can “rule.” There’s plenty of them everywhere.
Oh My God! Vector. I just couldn’t pass up commenting on your last entry, in which your ex writes “I hope It doesn’t kill u to see what you lost when u see me with someone else married w kids I hope you never feel regret in that sense.”
You know what I would tell her. It was just that image that caused me to rethink my life. All I could see was that poor bastard pushing the grocery cart, tied down with a horde of little kids, with the worried look on his face “How the hell am I going to cover next month’s mortgage payments, and get the car fixed”. Yes it was the picture of seeing you with that poor bastard and a bunch of kids tagging along that killed me. What won’t kill me is seeing how lucky I am not to have been that poor bastard and to still have my freedom.
If you won’t marry them they will walk bc every woman wants to be married.
I think the number of women filing for divorce shows pretty conclusively they don’t want to be married. Not really.
BUT THEY DO WANT YOUR STUFF. That’s a definite.
They walk once they figure out they’re not getting your stuff. They walk once they figure they’ve already got it from you. Marriage is just a temporary formality of the feminine agenda to transfer your wealth into her pockets.
Of course in your case she’s not exactly walking. You’re pushing. Keep pushing.
Well said, Sidecar.
They walk once they figure out they’re not getting your stuff. They walk once they figure they’ve already got it from you. Marriage is just a temporary formality of the feminine agenda to transfer your wealth into her pockets.
I concur. I told my ex divorced single mum I wanted a financial agreement if I was to move into her home as I am quite well off. She hit the f~~~ing roof! So she walked and hooked up with a penniless divorced single dad who was living in a s~~~hole with two other middle aged manginas. He sold her the blended family dream and moved into her house within first 6 months and since they have spent excessive dollars renovating her house. Dumb!
Whenever a woman says “I don’t care about money, I have my own and just want to be happy.” RUUUUUN!
“Vector’s supposed EX”….not in her mind, by her choice yet?: ““Well you don’t want to marry me, so what I’m just gonna be on standby forever?”
THE TRUTH= Sidecar’s:”They walk once they figure out they’re not getting your stuff”
SHE’S chosing to not walk here………………. she’s “on standby” ???? who told her to dictate terms. IOW yesterday you are allowing her to define it as “not over.”
S~~~ or get off the pot please. if you can’t say,”it’s f~~~ing over” , then for cryin out loud, cut off ALL * communications with her. otherwise she’s getting your stuff and you just don’t know it. Oftentimes when you can’t shut off the TV then change the channels, go bowling, go to the gym, go to the firing range, a hobby shop, anywhere, just go.
* ALL means ALL Vector………………you’re starting to be like a surgeon who won’t sew up the patient, or the truck driver who’s lost his brakes and is using the emergency stop gravel but wants to turn in it awhile at a high speed. Better yet a parachutist whose telling every one he’s got his hand on the d handle, he really does, it’s on the handle, it’s gripping it tight, damn if the ground ain’t gettin closer, I’m tellin ya everybody my hands on the handle. pull the handle.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Vector,
denial is over. She’s bargaining now. Guilt about the hurt you’ve caused. Fear about what you’re losing. Shame about the mistake you are making.“if you ever told me this before that you never wanted to get married I would have never started a relationship.”
translation: you misled me. You owe me.“when people are in love they get married, it’s the normal thing to do”
translation: if you don’t give me what you owe me, you’re not normal. If you don’t give me what you owe me, you’re defective.“I hope ur happy with all the hurt u have caused me
Translation: You hurt me. You owe me.it’s seems to be that u don’t care and can live with it.
Translation: You have no concern and no conscience. Show some concern and some conscience by giving me what you owe me.hope It doesn’t kill u to see what you lost
Translation: Hurry and give me what you owe me or you’ll regret your mistake.“Well you don’t want to marry me, so what I’m just gonna be on standby forever?”
Translation: You’re position is indefensible and unfair, so change it and give me what you owe me.“I’m not gonna be with someone for their convenience let them have their cake and eat it too, no way”
Translation: Give me what you owe me or I will abandon you.She isn’t giving up and walking away. If she was, the only thing she’d be saying to you is ‘goodbye’.
You already know you’re the target. Why are you not a moving target? A woman says to me, “I will rule you”, I will be a moving target. I will be moving so efficiently that she will not get a chance to say anything beyond that to me…
Let her say all that to the voicemail of your old cell phone number, which you no longer check, because everyone you know except her now has your new number…
I can see very well what she’s trying to achieve by talking to you. What exactly are you hoping to achieve by talking to her?
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Give us some updates Vector! Are you dead!?
Hey man,
right now you’re going to go trough hell.
A breakup is never easy and she and her family will try their best to shame you, make you feel bad. I went trough a painful breakup years ago and here’s what i learned.
– DONT LISTEN TO ANYTHING SHE SAYS
– DONT EXPLAIN
– DONT ARGUE
– DO NOT TALK ABOUT YOU OR YOUR FEELINGS
If possible, avoid all conversations. From now on whatever you say, whatever you do is going to be held up against you one way or another. You can’t win, you can only run, run as far as you can and don’t EVER look back.
She will try to mess with you and it will be hard. You will be confused and feel guilty. But whatever happens you have to remember that it’s too late, there is no way back. If you made that decision, it was too late and it means you didn’t really want that. Trust me when you really want to get married you know it. If not, then don’t, go your own way, women are dangerous, but they need you more than you need them.
Whatever you do keep this in mind:
Women dont understand rational logic. When they speak to you they do not try to understand or compromise or even listen to what you have to say.
They’re in their own TV drama, they set the rules and it doesn’t matter if logic applies or if it’s contradictory. Plus we have all these different phases where we’re vulnerable, don’t let it get to you, if anything come up come here and write abouty it.
From what you write i see that you try to make sens or at least focused on things she said to you. DONT. Truste me and i think we’ve all been there at some point, it doesn’t matter what she says, she doesn’t even think about it it’s just a reaction and possibly a trap to make you feel bad, get back at you or whatever she is planning to do to make you suffer.
So no matter what happens, AVOID CONVERSATIONS, and keep focused on yourself, because trust me, NO one else will.
Ok guys, so she arrived back from China. It’s confirmed that we’re “over.” Now, since I took the money out of the joint account, what’s mine is mine and what’s hers is hers. I am looking for my own place, and she is looking for her own place. Since she’s been living at my parents house, she spoke to my mother (on the side) without me knowing and had my mother agree for her to stay until the end of the month to find a place and move out, since it will be hard to just get up and go and find a place to live when she works 60 hours a week. This was all done behind my back, and her attitude is “it’s not your house, it’s your parents house, so I’m staying until the end of the month, no matter what you say.” This is f~~~ed up on so many levels, and I really can’t do anything about it. First, because “technically” it’s not my house, and second, she consulted with my mother behind my back and came to an agreement. Now, i’m stuck living with her for another month while we are in “friends” terms until she leaves! No sex, no kissing, no compromising. I have no other choice but to accept this situation I’m put in until she leaves. Once she leaves, I’m getting my own place and starting a brand new fresh MGTOW life. I might as well suck it up for now and plan for my future.
Lesson learned, never move a woman into your space. Even worse, it’s my parents house so I don’t have much say in the matter, since my parents really like her as a person. My mother wants us to go see a shrink so we can fix our problems, I told her hell no. My mom is p~~~ed that I made this decision and thought “this was going to be the woman you were going to marry.” Since my mom is a feminist as well, and talks down to my father and basically makes all the decisions in the home, I was in no way going to go down that route with my ex.
It’s already established that we are NOT together. She went to her parents house this weekend, and is probably bashing me left and right to her family. A family who once loved me and thought I was going to be the husband of their daughter. A family who respected me and thought I was a great catch for her daughter. They probably hate me now, and I don’t give a f~~~, because there’s two sides to a story. I spoke to my male cousin last night and after explaining all the s~~~ she put me through, he agrees that I’m making the right decision on leaving this woman.
At this point, she is not looking to fix anything or stay with me. I am not seeing much of a struggle on her part to get back with me, which is a good thing. My main focus now is finding a place and starting a new life on my own, going my own way.
Anonymous42Congratulations Vector, You freed yourself from an obvious feminist trap, that’s how far off they are from OUR needs, you would have been a slave to your own dismal end. Enjoy your freedom, it beats the misery your heart was warning you about, a flag popped up and you avoided a crash! Another guy is saved from toil and personal misery!
MGTOW grows best, and fast, when rooted in feminism….
Vector I am so f~~~ing disappointed. I now totally give up on you. She went behind your back and talked to your mother. Your mother didn’t tell you she made a deal with your ex. Come on. If you believe all that, I got a bridge I can sell you. I told you they were making plans behind your back. I guarantee you aint going to be able to hold out to the end of the month if in fact the deal can
t be extended which it probably will until you give in. Having a c~~~ ready and willing in the same place night after night. They know you are going to eventually cave. Shell even make you beg for it. Shell squeeze you every f~~~ing night wandering around in something sexy, until you beg her to get back together. Shell even hold out until you get down on all fours and beg to get married. You s~~~ head. We warned you and warned you. To me this is all a cop-out.Vector, After getting off line hours ago, I was worrying about your current predicament and praying for you. BrainPilot’s already said that you’re coming up on the most difficult part now. PLEASE KEEP US IN THE LOOP! Do not try to go this alone. Boston Strangler brought up very valid points. This whole thing might end up with the “LAYDEE” turning your own family against you. She’s got a minimum of one month to play Miss Perfect, [I saw one female entity do it for two years]and your mom is only hearing what she wants to hear. Your dad needs to lead, but he’s not going to. You need to have your “be at home time” when she’s out working her 60 hour week – which means she could’ve afforded moving and storage. Your mom probably’s just thinking of getting grandkids anyway she can, regardless of turning you into a “I will Rule You” recipient. You made the right overall choice, but now is the time to stop figuratively pulling punches. [when she returned, her stuff should have been in storage…consider how that compares to now….there will be other stuff coming up that we can help you with] I ask again, for your sake, NOT for our entertainment/amusement/crap, please do yourself a favor and keep us updated. Better men than me will help you emerge from this in the best possible shape.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Vector,
if you have money, and you use it to get your own place, what the hell difference does it make who your parents have as a guest in their house, as long as she is not a resident in yours.I keep thinking about that line, “I will rule you”… and saying to myself, “Who the hell talks like that?”. Then it occurred to me that I know of plenty of people who talk like that. Hitler, Putin, Gengis Kahn, Attila the Hun, Bin Laden… and your fiancé. They all seem to have had that same attitude in common.
If you move out, and your parents want to have as a house guest some random tyrant bent on ‘ruling’ someone, what the hell do you care? If you’re living somewhere else, there’s no chance that you are going to be ‘ruled’ by anyone but you.
If you have the chance to move out to your own place and don’t take it, your fiancé and your mother will both view it as uncertainty about the breakup. This may seem ridiculous to you, but in their minds, why else would you choose to remain but for your hoping that the proximity will help you get back together?
To women, everything you do, or don’t do… carries a message louder than anything you say.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
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