Marriage, Mortgage, Kids…f~~~ that s~~~

[Old RottweilerParticipant 1520]

Guard your sperm. They can spit it into their hand or shove the contents of a condom into their pussy and viola, you’re a father.

I’ve been doing a survey of every divorced man I meet. Zero, yes zero were treated fairly by their ex wife. Most were thrown out of their homes, and lost money with lawyers. One who is 79, married for 43 years and owned 200 apartment units, was thrown out of his home and the bitch tried to take ALL the money. He made the money and she never worked. Another stayed married to the guy for 20 years, exactly long enough to get half his income and pension for the rest of her life. She refused to get a job, he could just work more, and he did. Then she inherited her parents house. He lives in an apartment.  He loved her and had two kids with her. Do your own survey, you will be shocked.

There is a reason that until about 100 years ago women were property and could not own property.

My daughter, who I raised, and is a lawyer, said she would not get married again if she has children, she would never support a man. She  said she does not need one.

My sister said if she got married again and the man had less money than her she would insist on a prenuptial. If  the guy had more money than her she would be MORTIFIED that he would ask.

Until society changes, if you get married and she does not have equal or more income, you are f~~~ed. If she stops working, you are f~~~ed.

The ALL know the game, and it is rigged in their favor.

 

 

 

[RebalancedParticipant 346]

‘They ALL know the game, and it is rigged in their favor’.

Exactly, knowing that, its crazy how many men are still chasing after women (often the same woman, for e.g on dating sites, where these skanks avg 30 emails a day from different men).  Plus women are not in short supply, rather its men that are in short supply (and who should be getting 30 emails a day from different women).

They talk about a woman not needing a man but a woman needs a man way more (even if she doesn’t want a man and gets pregnant via a sperm bank its still  the man she’s in need of)

The way I see it, if the pussy aint free, the dick aint either and till that changes they can keeping sucking one (or many) till their jaw locks as far as I’m concerned.

 

I don't need pussy

[UltimaThuleParticipant 32]

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; background-color: #fbfbfb;”> I’m on dating sites right now trying to find me some pussy, but mainly working on evolving myself.  I’ve been out of the game for a long time, and it seems pretty damm hard to get girls to respond to you, they all want a relationship and say they don’t want booty calls, and if you’re interested in only sex, than don’t contact them they all say in their profile.  For every 10 emails, i’ll get 1 in return, and after a few messages, they end up disappearing.  Online dating is a lot of hard work.  I think it’s better to just approach women, however, online dating is convenient.  I got a # from this HOT chick at the mall, texted her a few times back and forth and she disappeared as well.  I guess this is the reality of being single, and I’m NOT being the nice guy either!  Before my ex, I remember it like it was yesterday, going on plenty of dates, finding garbage out there.  Wishing and hoping for a girl, a relationship, somebody to build with.  Feeling frustrated on getting turned down, dealing with flaky women, flaky behaviors etc.  As a man, we want to naturally f~~~ as many as we can, but it ain’t easy!  Even though you guys say I’m at my prime age, good looking, tall, in shape, single, no kids, my own place, good job, new car etc….it’s still very hard!  I can imagine what it’s like for guys who don’t have that status, and what they are going through!  I’m sure this is just my frustration talking, and in due time I will be good again.  I seem to be longing for a woman.  It’s been a long time since I got laid, and jerking off just doesn’t cut it anymore.  Watching MGTOW videos on how you should just focus on yourself and forget about women is really hard to do.  It goes against our natural male urges.  I guess i’m just feeling this way b/c I have no pussy right now.</span>

If you really need to get laid, see an escort and get it over with. But in all likelihood, your longing for a woman has to do with a lot else than just pussy. You are at an age in which your pair-bonding instinct is still active. You long for emotional intimacy with a woman. That, too, shall pass. When you’re past forty, if you are lucky, you will be much less interested any sort of relationships with women.

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

The problem I see with going your own way without experiencing marriage and kids is that your subconscious (also called reptilian brain) f~~~s with you every opportunity it gets.

Ive been a MGTOW since around 18 (after my first ex), but I got drawn into another failed relationship at 21, lasting till 25, even thou at 23 it was clear that I was on a train about to wreck. Before I met that girl, (A) I already knew girls were no good due to their interests differing from mine (B) knew the girl I met was going to leave me (C) Knew I would get rekt emotionally if I went into that.

So yeah, thx for that reptilian brain. You only got yourself to blame.

Its like being in a constant struggle, fighting yourself.

[Old RottweilerParticipant 1520]

We as men are designed to want women. I am 60, I have no need for one, but I still want one. If we did not have that drive the human race would die out quickly.

Whenever I feel the need for a woman, I remind myself it would be like taking a stray cat into my home. Except the cat can throw ME out, and probably will. It will then demand I continue to feed it and pay for the kittens it decides to  have without my consent. The state will enforce the stray cats rights to my stuff and income.

 

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

Dude you are very.lucky imagine the.kind.of.power she would.it have over.You once married f~~~ that ,marriages.is a contract you make with her and that state .she can get out of that country anytime she  would feel like it and then screw you.in court. If theres kids she will keep that kids you will only  see them if she feel like it. You will have to.pay her child support .on top of that if you been married for over 6 years alimony and if you own Any assets you will gonna have to give her half of it .and if you dont do what that judges told you to do you would get arrested .you were gonna be an atm machine for her

[WolfParticipant 890]

Old Rottweiler wrote:

Until society changes, if you get married and she does not have equal or more income, you are f~~~ed. If she stops working, you are f~~~ed.

And that’s the catch-22. You can think you met that NAWALT – she’s working, independent and making good money. Then you marry her and she starts to change. Over time she relies on you more and more, and loses that independent streak she once had. Slowly, her ambition for her career dwindles. She starts making less money. She might even cease working all together. At that point, you’re f~~~ed. This pattern of behavior is common once you have kids.

[nerowolfeParticipant 13]

@vector-Congratulations! I was fearful for you at the beginning of this thread, but as I read on through it, you took life by the throat.

Now that you have taken care of business in one area of your life, how about going ahead with your financial area?

Check this place out:  mrmoneymustache.com

This guy figured out how to save for 9 years, then be financially independent FOR LIFE! It’s his blog, his experience, and its free.

[ThouMGTOWParticipant 22]

I feel that I will want mortgage and kids later on in life but I’m sure I will never marry. I’m likely to inherit a little bit as my parents are “middle class” and only had two kids.

Is this a good position to be in from an economic stand point? How much power will she have if I don’t marry her?

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I think it really depends on where you live.  I know in my state we have no common law marriage laws, so all she could come after me for would be child support if I refused to marry.  Other places though, they might treat you as legally married if you live together for a certain amount of time.  I’m not an expert on it but if that is how it works in your area and you definitely want a house and family you might be better off getting married and having a prenup so you don’t get blindsided by common law marriage and have no protection for any of your assets.  By better off, I mean least painful of the two options.

[ThouMGTOWParticipant 22]

Beer wrote:

I think it really depends on where you live. I know in my state we have no common law marriage laws, so all she could come after me for would be child support if I refused to marry. Other places though, they might treat you as legally married if you live together for a certain amount of time. I’m not an expert on it but if that is how it works in your area and you definitely want a house and family you might be better off getting married and having a prenup so you don’t get blindsided by common law marriage and have no protection for any of your assets. By better off, I mean least painful of the two options.

I don’t know either to be honest. I’m from England so it’s probably different here. Aren’t a lot of prenup’s being thrown out of the courts nowadays? I’m likely to inherit a home as my parents each own one anyways as they’ve split. Now, I want to do as my parents have done and build something for myself just in case I have kids. I guess she’d take a home and still expect me to pay child support..  Maybe I’m thinking greedily. lol

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Nah you pretty much think like I do.  I wouldn’t mind having kids, and if the relationship didn’t work I wouldn’t mind paying a fair amount for child support as long as I got a fair amount of time with the kids, but I can’t stand the thought of having to pay some wench to f~~~ off.  I’m 31 now, I have my career on track, and assets…most people my age just have debt and don’t make as much as I do.  Why the f~~~ would I get married if all it means is that when the relationship ends, because I’m the one bringing the most financially into the marriage, I have to give her a pay off?

I guess another way to put it…if I had a serious woman in my life, and she gained an improved standard of living while she was with me due to my higher income, I’m totally fine with that.  My problem just comes in the event of a split…why should I have to continue to offer her any help financially when she isn’t my woman anymore?  Like I said…child support is one thing, but having to share any future income(alimony or splitting of pensions) with her or split any assets that I’d have accumulated with or without her is just total bull s~~~.

Its not thinking greedily, its thinking rationally.  If I married someone at 20 when I still had a crap job, was paying for school, had no assets, and we built something together as a team I wouldn’t think a split in the event of a divorce was so unfair, but now that I’m a bit older and more established in my career and financially I just don’t see a reason why a few years devoted to a failed marriage should result in a heavy bill for me and a pay day for the woman.

[Old RottweilerParticipant 1520]

Splitting everything you have earned is bulls~~~. The solution, marry someone with a better career and more money than you.  You can get a prenuptial,  but it is no guarantee.

If she has more money than you, then by the screwed up laws in effect now she might have to pay YOU. That leaves you in a much better negotiating position. Yes, it leaves out 80 % of the women out there, but how much is half your life’s work worth?

Read the threads here, it does not matter how good you are, the opposing team is crazy and they have the current laws on their side. You can’t reason with crazy. Crazy is like the terminator, it will never stop, that is all it does.

“Every battle is won before it is begun.” Sun Tsu.

MAKE SURE GOING IN SHE HAS MORE THAN YOU !!!!

 

Or you will lose.

 

 

 

[ThouMGTOWParticipant 22]

“Nah you pretty much think like I do. I wouldn’t mind having kids, and if the relationship didn’t work I wouldn’t mind paying a fair amount for child support as long as I got a fair amount of time with the kids, but I can’t stand the thought of having to pay some wench to f~~~ off. I’m 31 now, I have my career on track, and assets…most people my age just have debt and don’t make as much as I do. Why the f~~~ would I get married if all it means is that when the relationship ends, because I’m the one bringing the most financially into the marriage, I have to give her a pay off? I guess another way to put it…if I had a serious woman in my life, and she gained an improved standard of living while she was with me due to my higher income, I’m totally fine with that. My problem just comes in the event of a split…why should I have to continue to offer her any help financially when she isn’t my woman anymore? Like I said…child support is one thing, but having to share any future income(alimony or splitting of pensions) with her or split any assets that I’d have accumulated with or without her is just total bull s~~~. Its not thinking greedily, its thinking rationally. If I married someone at 20 when I still had a crap job, was paying for school, had no assets, and we built something together as a team I wouldn’t think a split in the event of a divorce was so unfair, but now that I’m a bit older and more established in my career and financially I just don’t see a reason why a few years devoted to a failed marriage should result in a heavy bill for me and a pay day for the woman.”

 

 

I agree with a lot you have said. It is so easily to be manipulated by the system. It’s such a risky game. Paying for a women/mother of my child living and lifestyle while she bangs someone else doesn’t sound appealing. That s~~~ gives me nightmares lol Thankfully, I will never marry..

[Jackson1888Participant 111]

Oh my God this is so perfect! I am going to print this out and put it in a big frame above the entry to my home. This is PRICELESS.

 

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 13.3333330154419px; background-color: #fbfbfb;”>Whenever I feel the need for a woman, I remind myself it would be like taking a stray cat into my home. Except the cat can throw ME out, and probably will. It will then demand I continue to feed it and pay for the kittens it decides to  have without my consent. The state will enforce the stray cats rights to my stuff and income.</span>

 

I NOMINATE ACETT AS “UNDISPUTED LEADER OF MGTOW”, effective immediately.

 

Absolutely priceless. So perfectly worded. So incredibly perfect advice. Especially for the younger MGTOWs.

Bravo Acett!

[Old RottweilerParticipant 1520]

Jackson, thanks for the compliment.

I wish things were different, but society will have to change first for the better. No evidence of that yet. I think it will get worse before it gets better. Soon you may have to pay them because you hurt their feelings.

 

[techadmParticipant 59]

Enjoy your freedom and now you can focus on yourself. Also, be happy that she couldn’t invoke any common-law marriage bulls~~~ on you. In Canada, if you live with someone for over a year in some provinces they classify it as a common-law marriage and the woman can make an alimony claim against you as well as to half of your possessions as well as a claim on your pension for the time period you were together (No, I’m not kidding, it is that f~~~ed up here).

Congrats and well done!

[ThouMGTOWParticipant 22]

“Enjoy your freedom and now you can focus on yourself. Also, be happy that she couldn’t invoke any common-law marriage bulls~~~ on you. In Canada, if you live with someone for over a year in some provinces they classify it as a common-law marriage and the woman can make an alimony claim against you as well as to half of your possessions as well as a claim on your pension for the time period you were together (No, I’m not kidding, it is that f~~~ed up here). Congrats and well done!”

 

Canadians are generally more friendly and less stressed overall compared to the Brits. It’s so overcrowded here. I was lucky enough to go to Canada last August and I really enjoyed it. I have relatives there.

[TimothyMGTOW81Participant 3]

I’m never getting Married in this World. It’s part of the Matrix and the Government will own both of your asses.  I will never have any kids and can’t handle them. If a woman can’t accept you and be truth to you, f~~~ the bitch and live alone, don’t be a pussy to live by yourself like most are scared to.

[Canadian SportsFanParticipant 216]

Vector wrote:

I’m so glad I found out about MGTOW just in time. Finding out about MGTOW was the biggest “ah ha” moment ever. Please hear me out on my current situation. It might sound a bit scrambled, however I want to get all the main points across. I’m 34 years old, no kids, and have a good job. Last week my 30 year old girlfriend whom I have been living with for a year and half so far, dating for 2 1/2; went on a business trip to LA for 3 days then China for 3 weeks last week. As sad as this sounds, this past weekend felt so great not having her around so I could finally focus on myself in peace and quiet. Having the bed all to myself, the peace and quiet, not having to deal with the nagging, or the waking up early b/c we had things to do on Saturday. Not having to plan a night out for dinner (and pay for it) and have something planned to do afterwards. Not having to pick her up at the train station every night when she would get home from work and if I was 1 minute late; having to hear her mouth the whole ride home. Not having to visit her parents house and have her complain about why I make the face of grief every time I have to go there. I stumbled upon MGTOW after researching marriage statistics this weekend. My girlfriend wants her wedding, to buy a house, and have kids before she’s 32. We have a joint bank account, and have been saving into it for over a year now for a house, and even visited a bank to get information on buying property! By the way, she has a very good job. The weekend before she left to China, we got into this big argument b/c I didn’t plan anything “special” for her as a going away “together time” since we weren’t going to see each other for a while. I offered to take her to dinner and a few drinks, which obviously wasn’t enough for her. So we starting arguing. The argument got pretty loud and she ended up threatening to move out. So I called her bluff, and she didn’t. She just nagged me about how I don’t do anything “special” for her, and that if it wasn’t for her that we would be sitting home chilling and watching movies all the time b/c she’s the one who plans all of our “outings” or date nights, and I never want to do s~~~ (according to her). After learning about MGTOW my whole perception is now changed. No way in HELL am I getting married to her or any woman. Hearing you guys talk about your freedom is liberating. When she gets to China she face timed me and says that I’m not enthusiastic to speak to her and I haven’t told her I missed her. She is already sensing that I am becoming more and more unemotionally thirsty for her. The hard part now is, how I’m going to go against what I told her I wanted. I was always weary about marriage, and I’m not fond of kids at all, yet told her that I did want a family. Having to hear all the baby screaming waking you up in the middle of the night, sexless marriage statistics, divorce rates…omg the list goes on and on. We’ve only lived with each other a year in a half and she already has become more and more sexually distant. Forget about the random blowjobs you used to get in the beginning to lure you in, and initiating sexual encounters. We only have sex anymore when I initiate it. Pussy isn’t as wet as it used to be either. In the beginning, the sheets would practically get soaked naturally. Now we have to use lube every now and again. WTF! When she gets back from her trip, my goal is to f~~~ her, then take her out to dinner and talk to her about my new boundaries. No marriage, or kids. If she doesn’t like it, then she can walk. I’m not going my whole life living with a woman who will try and control me and tell me what I can and can’t do. Most importantly, I can’t go the rest of my life drooling at all the scattered ass in yoga pants day after day knowing that I can’t have another piece of pussy until I die. F~~~ that s~~~. My goal as MGTOW is to date plenty of women, and have sexual relations, enjoying my world as the oyster it is, while completely avoiding the whole marriage and kids concept. The whole reason men have mid life crisis’ at age 50 is because they’re married for years already and regret not getting all the pussy they could have been getting in their youth! Keep in mind that she is a feminist, and doesn’t believe in serving men at all really. She even told me jokingly that “women make their men believe they have the power by doing certain things, when truth is, the women have the power.” I don’t believe it was a joke at all And to top the cake, for her 30th birthday, her parents threw her a fancy party at their house. I contributed money towards the party, bought her an expensive name brand handbag, and took her to dinner at a fancy expensive steakhouse. That night she got really drunk, and blurted out to me in front of her mother, aunt’s and cousins “I’m going to rule you.” This was a BIG red flag for me…. I know you guys are probably thinking I should have gotten out a while ago. I want to thank all you guys for putting this information out there and helping me see the light of day while preventing me from ruining my life by getting hitched. I almost fell for the trap, but found out about MGTOW just in time! This is my 1st post. It might sound like all over the place, but that’s what I’m going through in my mind right now. Share your opinions and any insight you guys can provide to help me in my current situation.

Vector wrote:

I’m so glad I found out about MGTOW just in time. Finding out about MGTOW was the biggest “ah ha” moment ever. Please hear me out on my current situation. It might sound a bit scrambled, however I want to get all the main points across. I’m 34 years old, no kids, and have a good job. Last week my 30 year old girlfriend whom I have been living with for a year and half so far, dating for 2 1/2; went on a business trip to LA for 3 days then China for 3 weeks last week. As sad as this sounds, this past weekend felt so great not having her around so I could finally focus on myself in peace and quiet. Having the bed all to myself, the peace and quiet, not having to deal with the nagging, or the waking up early b/c we had things to do on Saturday. Not having to plan a night out for dinner (and pay for it) and have something planned to do afterwards. Not having to pick her up at the train station every night when she would get home from work and if I was 1 minute late; having to hear her mouth the whole ride home. Not having to visit her parents house and have her complain about why I make the face of grief every time I have to go there. I stumbled upon MGTOW after researching marriage statistics this weekend. My girlfriend wants her wedding, to buy a house, and have kids before she’s 32. We have a joint bank account, and have been saving into it for over a year now for a house, and even visited a bank to get information on buying property! By the way, she has a very good job. The weekend before she left to China, we got into this big argument b/c I didn’t plan anything “special” for her as a going away “together time” since we weren’t going to see each other for a while. I offered to take her to dinner and a few drinks, which obviously wasn’t enough for her. So we starting arguing. The argument got pretty loud and she ended up threatening to move out. So I called her bluff, and she didn’t. She just nagged me about how I don’t do anything “special” for her, and that if it wasn’t for her that we would be sitting home chilling and watching movies all the time b/c she’s the one who plans all of our “outings” or date nights, and I never want to do s~~~ (according to her). After learning about MGTOW my whole perception is now changed. No way in HELL am I getting married to her or any woman. Hearing you guys talk about your freedom is liberating. When she gets to China she face timed me and says that I’m not enthusiastic to speak to her and I haven’t told her I missed her. She is already sensing that I am becoming more and more unemotionally thirsty for her. The hard part now is, how I’m going to go against what I told her I wanted. I was always weary about marriage, and I’m not fond of kids at all, yet told her that I did want a family. Having to hear all the baby screaming waking you up in the middle of the night, sexless marriage statistics, divorce rates…omg the list goes on and on. We’ve only lived with each other a year in a half and she already has become more and more sexually distant. Forget about the random blowjobs you used to get in the beginning to lure you in, and initiating sexual encounters. We only have sex anymore when I initiate it. Pussy isn’t as wet as it used to be either. In the beginning, the sheets would practically get soaked naturally. Now we have to use lube every now and again. WTF! When she gets back from her trip, my goal is to f~~~ her, then take her out to dinner and talk to her about my new boundaries. No marriage, or kids. If she doesn’t like it, then she can walk. I’m not going my whole life living with a woman who will try and control me and tell me what I can and can’t do. Most importantly, I can’t go the rest of my life drooling at all the scattered ass in yoga pants day after day knowing that I can’t have another piece of pussy until I die. F~~~ that s~~~. My goal as MGTOW is to date plenty of women, and have sexual relations, enjoying my world as the oyster it is, while completely avoiding the whole marriage and kids concept. The whole reason men have mid life crisis’ at age 50 is because they’re married for years already and regret not getting all the pussy they could have been getting in their youth! Keep in mind that she is a feminist, and doesn’t believe in serving men at all really. She even told me jokingly that “women make their men believe they have the power by doing certain things, when truth is, the women have the power.” I don’t believe it was a joke at all And to top the cake, for her 30th birthday, her parents threw her a fancy party at their house. I contributed money towards the party, bought her an expensive name brand handbag, and took her to dinner at a fancy expensive steakhouse. That night she got really drunk, and blurted out to me in front of her mother, aunt’s and cousins “I’m going to rule you.” This was a BIG red flag for me…. I know you guys are probably thinking I should have gotten out a while ago. I want to thank all you guys for putting this information out there and helping me see the light of day while preventing me from ruining my life by getting hitched. I almost fell for the trap, but found out about MGTOW just in time! This is my 1st post. It might sound like all over the place, but that’s what I’m going through in my mind right now. Share your opinions and any insight you guys can provide to help me in my current situation.

Jeebus are you my twin?  Like holy f~~~ we are in the exact same situation.  The only difference is my GF is getting fat and works a mediocre job I know she hates (STAY AT HOME MOMMY in training?)and she’s looking for a magic pill for happiness (kids).

 

I am thinking extraction strategies at this point.

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