Mark's guide to pump and dump (criticism most welcome!!!)

[markParticipant 451]

OneLaneOnlyPls wrote:

Did I read all that? No.

Your post suggests that we still require something from women. We don’t. I didn’t become mgtow, so I can then jump thru hoops to get laid. LMAO.

So you first declare that you did not read my text, and then make a whole point about a “suggestion” of what my text, the one you didn´t read, may be about.

It is a sad state of affairs.

[markParticipant 451]

Keymaster wrote:

So should she get your money too?

What money? If you consider coffee as money, I take that. Or a bit of time (because as I explained, once you make the first preparations the show runs itself)…to be, a coffee and a couple of hours of BS are worth a few hours of sex.

But hey, maybe for others is not. Respect to that.

Keymaster wrote:

As far as you’re concerned, are women for f~~~ing? Or fighting with. If you’re duking it out with them until someone “wins” (or loses) you may be going about it wrong… and you’re playing with fire.

Combative, competitive & hostile is something I would even put up with in the slightest.

I f~~~ them. I would get a whore if it was not illegal. And yes, it is play with fire, that this is what this post is about: How to handle fire.

[Anonymous 2]

If banging as many bitches as possible is what you want to do in life, then do whatever floats your boat. I’m pushing 40 and, though I have f~~~ed a good number of women over my lifetime, I have found that over the last 5+ years, my sex drive is continually decreasing. I have no desire to waste my time putting in all of this effort trying to get a bitch in bed, and I absolutely refuse to spend any of my money on a woman for only the mere prospect of getting some pussy. If I really want my dicl in a meat hole, I’ll just put up the money for a whore (or, should I say, an honest whore).

Like I said, do whatever you want. Personally, I get much more fulfillment out of my time when I spend it playing music, rather than chasing pussy.

[markParticipant 451]

Tic wrote:

1. people here have a big issue with Wendy Williams hosting a show and promoting the woman to trick they guy into having a baby (remember that episode)
that’s because it’s based on deceit and we SUPPOSEDLY don’t condone it. But, yet, we’re should be okay this type of behavior if a man does it. F~~~ that. that’s beneath me.

I agree with you on the basic premise. However, you are equating my approach with an example where an innocent life is involved.

I would prefer another, more equal society, and I venture to believe that you too, but since we live on THIS society I do what I can to get what I want.

Tic wrote:

2. The basis on all of this is the notion that pussy is such high value prize, that one would be willing to go through all that s~~~ just to secure it, and in a very devious way, to discourage blowback. Sounds like this isn’t the way for a MGTOW group. Sure goes against everything that we are supposed to be. But, it goes very well with the idea of PUA.

Just like in point 1, you use exaggeration to get your point across. As explained 100 times before, the setup (preparing the fake id and so on) is what takes time, but never more than a couple of hours, and you only ever need to do this once. I have been alternating between a couple of fake profiles for years already.

I do not spend doing this any more time that I would spend reading a newspaper or blog. Maybe you, like others, would declare that you could “not even spend a second on women. It is not worth it” while going 2 hours checking for the right porn.

Just like you, I masturbate too. And I am willing to bet that you need more than a second to find what turns you on. Respect to that, but don´t come to me with the time excuse, thanks.

Tic wrote:

3. It hints to some psychological issue. It seems to me that it stems from two types of scenarios
a. you hate women. they hold a power over you because they have something you want…vagina…and you want to attain it, at ALMOST any cost. You resent them for that power, therefore, you go to extended lengths to attain it, but, also in a mischievous way in order to prevent consequences and retain that power. They don’t know the real you, so you win as they fail to realize they were taken until it’s too late.

b. you need self validation from female contact. You don’t value yourself unless you can “score.” anytime you can sleep with a new woman, it gives your low self esteem a boost, relieving you of that anxiety. It’s a drug that keeps you coming back. But, to prevent the negative consequences of the side effects, you attain it in the most devious way.

both a & b point to some childhood trauma.

All due respect, it is funny (as in sad) when someone gives a poor attempt at psychoanalysis based on an assumption. It is in fact something that women do. Are you a woman?

See? I can do my armchair psychoanalytical bulls~~~.

Your analysis have missed the obvious reason, the simplest one, because it did not suit the point you already wanted to make: Because I want to f~~~ them.

Let´s be clear, including YOU there is no one man alive who, deep inside, don´t hated (past tense) women for one reason or another. Because, let´s be clear, we are living in a world which favors them, and it is unfair. However, I am pretty sure that you are at a point where you simply don´t care about them. Neither do I. This is why I f~~~ them the way I do.

Isn´t that a more simple, more plausible, explanation? Next time, for your own sake as a friendly advice, don´t come to an argument with your mind already made. You will not learn nor grow.

Tic wrote:

Now, in conclusion, in no way do I care if you actually do any of this. You asked for criticism, so there it is. In fact, I believe in Karma…it gets you at the end.

The law of the universe is that for every action, there is a reaction. And, so eventually, you will pay for your actions.

Your keyword in bold. If you believe in Karma you are a sad person, because there is virtually no difference between “Karma” and religion. So I am going to use the same argument I use with religion.

Tell me, Mr. Karma, when a kid get cancer, is because he did something as an infant and now is paying for it? Will his karma be restored in another life?

There is no karma. There is simply life. I have done good things that reported me horrible results. And bad things I never paid for. In the end, whatever floats your boat. My personal take is trying to be fair in life. And with women, as long as they fight for privilege, I will treat them as objects that I use and discard.

[markParticipant 451]

Morpheus wrote:

Mark, where you are crossing the line, is by going online with a fake account. Women spent a lot of time on online dating sites. If someone from your history sees your photo with a different name, you are shooting for some online popularity..

I am not sure I fully understand your comment.

I don´t care for popularity. In fact, quite the opposite. I don´t even have any profile, real or otherwise, on any social media. Plus, maybe you missed the “change appearance” part of my text.

[markParticipant 451]

PistolPete wrote:

Mark it sounds to me like you are investing a lot of time, effort, energy, and resources in your pursuit of pussy. My question is very simple—is this really worth it. I treat this as a cost benefit analysis. the cost and risk is high–the benefit is extremely low.

I should group all these comments, because the answer is pretty much the same.

I am a senior manager for an international company and cost analysis is my bread and butter. In fact, my cost analysis ability alone provide the bonus that paid for 3/4 of my last property, ending is mortgage. So trust me that I know what I am doing in terms of costing.

This time let´s do it “manufacturing” way:

One time set up costs is about 2 hours. Running costs is about 4 hours per shot, because we spread the cost among the different candidates. In other words, I use the exact same lines on different profiles. At the end, the customization cost is less than 1 to 2 hours, which is the time spend in a coffee shop before going to bed.

Porn searching, on average, takes on average several hours every time (there is an article about that on The Telegraph, if memory serves). Sometimes you find what you like in 5 minutes, sometimes it takes 2 hours, etc..

So, to me, the cost-benefit analysis works.

Just one note. I only do this when I travel, so I´d say on average once per month.

PistolPete wrote:

Now I’ve been monk for over two decades; its not that hard (sorry for the pun) Obviously MGTOW means going your own way and if your own way is to be a slave to a woman’s crotch that is your business. But surely you recognize that giving into to the pussy will ultimately be self-destructive to you? Either you will end up manipulated in some way, or arrested or so on.

I do not see the slavery part. Neither your prophecy. Happy to read your elaboration on those points. Here are mine:

1. How could I be manipulated by someone I f~~~ only once and never see again?

2. How could I be arrested by someone who doesn´t even know she has been played?[/quote]

PistolPete wrote:

With a little guidance you can find more productive outlets for your time/effort/energy/resources than scoring a disease ridden stink hole. Who is in control of your body? Your mind? or your b~~~~?

Now this a pretty good argument. Currently I am in a good stage of my life. I have my career, my toys, my travels…I am pretty much fulfilled. I allow my instincts to run loose, that is true, but I am fine with it because I am not consumed by it.

Maybe later on in life I will cut it all. Right now it is something that is fun to do.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

OP,

I don’t think you GET, at all, what this forum is about. The fact that you feel compelled to go through the arduous and tedious process you listed, in order to simply get your wang wet is precisely the reason why men are GTOW:

we are sick and tired of putting up with such ridiculous nonsense, and it simply isn’t worth it to us any longer.

Your paradigm is antithetical to the conclusion the men who joined this forum have come to. Your solution is to jump through an endless obstacle course you created in order to circumvent the endless mines the females have devised. Our solution is to simply walk away and/or play by our own rules.

I found this thread because you were complaining about “critiques” you received in another thread entitled something a long the lines of “Lurkers Read”. You are being critiqued (at least by me) because your’e seeking a solution to the problem which the rest of us just simply don’t see worth the effort.

You sound much more akin to a PUA than a MGTOW to me. But, that’s just my opinion. I welcome yours and feel free to share it.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I thought about this more and had additional thoughts.

The only way it would make sense (to me) for you to go through your con-man process to get laid RATHER than simply pay a whore is that you need the verification that the female in question is sexually attracted to you; which is fine, that’s a normal instinct and I have it as well.

But, your solution is contradictory to that, because you take the measures/pre-cautions you do for no other reason than to protect yourself from the ulterior motives of women sleeping with you for reasons other than physical attraction/pleasure:

I.E. False rape accusation, attempt to get pregnant, etc.

Fake identity, fake credit cards, hassle with the hotel and fake surname…This is all foreign and bizarre.

Why not simply pay for what you want?

To be honest, your tactic is that of the female tactic of which I despise: deceit.

I’m here because this is a place of: transparency, honesty, and directness in a world otherwise contrary to such principles. You are doing precisely the opposite.

Resident cynic.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

mark wrote:

I do not spend doing this any more time that I would spend reading a newspaper or blog. Maybe you, like others, would declare that you could “not even spend a second on women. It is not worth it” while going 2 hours checking for the right porn.

Just like you, I masturbate too. And I am willing to bet that you need more than a second to find what turns you on. Respect to that, but don´t come to me with the time excuse, thanks.

It doesn’t take 2 hours to find the right porn. On youporn they have many categories and I can find what I want in 2 minutes or less.

In addition, I have a vast collection of porn that was amassed over many years, a little at a time, also categorized. So I don’t even need to search 2 minutes online.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

mark wrote:

They have government and laws. I have my brain. See who wins.

The prisons are filled with people who thought like that.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Anonymous 3]

looks like your system works well for you…and you go with what you know…i never date though…i meet hoes…we talk…we go our ways or we f~~~ and i go my way…find em, f~~~ ’em, forget ’em…

[TicParticipant 4329]

you asked for comments, then, call me a sad person.

You lack of insight is laughable. Your whole f~~~ing existence revolves around women but call me sad.
Of course I used to be all about women. It’s in my dna and genetics. MGTOW is about transcending that biological makeup. How about you wake up and open your mind.

Why you even wasting time around here. Go be the Casanova you always wanted to be. This is truly some pathetic s~~~, trying to impress some strangers on the net about your prowess to get pussy.

I could give 2 f~~~s about you or your stupid f~~~ing way of living, you dumb s~~~. So, you essentially lied. You said criticism welcomed. next time, if you ask for analysis, then, take it like a man, you sissy little bastard. LOL

What’s sad is that these forums get smeared with bulls~~~ like yours who come here and spew bunch of nonsense and muddy the waters. I would bet that you are just part of some group designed to take MGTOW down. Frankly, I don’t know why keymaster even allows this kind of bulls~~~ to be allowed in these forums.

anyone around here who supports this dips~~~ is a f~~~ing idiot and this mother f~~~er should have been banned. We have no use for guys like this around here. This isn’t going your own way.

My analysis of your s~~~ty f~~~ing existence stands as well as my psychoanalysis. Your welcome. Actually, when it comes to guys like you, I take the female side. I hope you get caught in your own web of lies and get reamed up the ass for being a terrible human being.

God bless peace and freedom.

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