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Dear all,
I do not know if I am a MGTOW, or a purple pill, or a blue piller in denial. I joined the forum because I pretty much agree with 100% of what most members say.
But I have my own take on women. As a man, I like to f~~~ women. Is part of my biology and, while I can deny it and go monk, I can also roll with it, which is what I do. I swear off women at the office and on the street, but I take them on in my sex life.
My MGTOW statement is no to eliminate women from my sex life, but to take a true equality approach to the battle of the sexes: They want my money, I want their holes. They have government and laws. I have my brain. See who wins.
The following is my discipline to meet, f~~~, and dump women. This discipline has been born out of real life threats, tears, and won lawsuits. It is a work in progress that so far has 20 years of experience behind and that has never once failed me as long as I followed to-the-tee.
Like any other discipline, it looks hard because preparations takes longer that 5 seconds. However, you only need to make preparations once, and afterwards you will only take seconds to deploy it with success.
The Discipline
THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT
– NEVER meet women in the same city where you live. Exception to the rule are women who are in your city on holidays or any other temporary event. To be safe, go to another country. (my job allows me to travel around the world, making this easy).– NEVER meet women in a place where they know your real name. There are plenty of mid-class hotels that will be more than happy to sign you under an assumed name. Better still, do it at her place. Important note: Going to a hotel and not to her place puts you at risk, so unless you are 100% willing to take that risk do not do it.
– NEVER go back to that place within 3 months after the dirty deed has been committed. In my case, I use a chain of friendly hotels and I stay in different ones every time. Plus I get free nights and upgrades. Best if you avoid the same city altogether.
YOUR CLOAK OF DARKNESS
Create a false identity. Make up a name, and get 100 cards with your fake name on them. Get a couple of pre-paid phones and pay for them cash. Get a fake wallet where you stuff your fake business cards. And you can even create fake plastic cards that, to the non-suspicious eye, will look like credit cards. I got mine as “samples” from a Chinese company, together with my own fake company card.I learned this trick when women began asking me for ID confirmation. One trick I do now is, when I go to pay for our date coffee (good luck getting me to invite her to a restaurant), I first try to pay with the “credit card” so she can see my name on it, but then I say “forget about it, I have cash” and leave the “credit card” on the table for a few seconds, enough for her to see my “real name”.
ONLINE DATING
These days everything is done online, including dating. You need to understand that women always think they have the upper hand so the “right” profile lower her defenses.The risk of online dating is that you need to post pictures. I haven’t found yet a way to eliminate that risk, but I minimize it with 2 techniques.
Technique 1: I meet someone I like, and then immediately move the conversation away from the dating site, hiding my own profile or deleting the photos. She doesn’t even know if she will date me, so she doesn’t even take the precaution of saving my pictures. How do I know that to be true? Because in the aftermath of my dirty deeds I always get messages like “I don’t even have a picture of you to keep, you have deleted your profile!!!”.
Technique 2: Whenever I complete a round of 10 or so dirty deeds, I change my appearance. I let my hair grow, I grow a beard, I shave my head, I go business, I go casual. If she met you for 3 months she’d recognize you. If she met you a couple of times, hardly so!
During the online dating process, speed is at the essence. In fact, if she likes to filibuster it means she is not going to put out, so move to the next one.
MEETING IN PERSON
So with your fake profile you met her online on Monday. On Tuesday you are exchanging messages with your fake phone number, and your online profile is gone. She may notice and say “why your profile is gone” to which you will answer “because I like to focus only on one person at the time”. That sentence alone will lower her defenses, and the best part is…it is true!You arrange your first date in person. Generally speaking I do not bed women on the first date unless is a very clear slam dunk. I use the first date to further lower her defenses by letting my fake business card fall, or put my fake credit card on the table, something like that. How to lure a woman to bed is not part of the scope of this thread, but I am happy to talk about it in another occasion.
So now you are on your second date, the sex date. Ideally you will go to her place. Otherwise you go to your friendly and discreet hotel. My lawyer’s wet dream is that that the hotel ever reveals my real name after I explicitly tell them in writing not to do so. My lawyer’s second wet dream is to sue (again) a woman for harassing me, and win (again) another lawsuit. But again, you want to do the deed at her place.
I have recently found the advantages of AirBnB. What I do is contact someone and conduct the business outside AirBnB (so no credit card required!!!). I pay cash and even give a tip if the apartment is in top condition. I have tried this method about 5 or 6 times, and I can report 100% success rate.
With that in mind, I would strongly recommend to drop the hotel visit altogether and go cash-only AirBnB.
THE SACRED RULE: NEVER EVER HAVE SEX WITH HER MORE THAN ONE NIGHT
So you f~~~ed her and she thinks you are Prince Charming. When you are done you make yourself scarce, or pretend to be a beta, or simply tell her that the sex is not what you expected, or disappear. Ideally you want her to “break-up”. What I do is make an anti-feminist remark the next day, via test message of course. She gets angry and “decides that I may not be what she is looking for”.
And the process ends.
EPILOGUE
Because I have explained this process it looks a lot harder than it really is, so let me show you how I do it on a single paragraph:I know I will go to city X next month so I go online and search for candidates on that city. I post a couple of pictures on my fake profile. Pick a girl I like. I exchange phone numbers. I take my online profile down. I grab my fake wallet and phone and meet her for a coffee date. We like each other and agree to make dinner together at her place “because it is safer”, or she comes to my “airbnb” place. We have sex. I make anti-feminist remarks. She gets mad. We end the “relationship”.
I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND LEARN ABOUT FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
Buddy, I got to tell you, I got tired just reading all of that! That’s a ton of effort to get laid. I’m not criticizing, but I couldn’t do it.
I guess my only question is, wouldn’t it be easier to just find an escort service? Or is the hunt and danger as exciting for you as the sex? Maybe go skydiving in the morning and grab a hooker for the afternoon?
Order the good wine
Sweet f~~~. I’m on board with TaxGuy with this one. Way too much work just for herpes or genital warts.
I think you need a PUA forum for this kind of thing.
When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
This sounds like PUA 101.
That being said, You’re a Free Man, Do What You Want!
In My Opinion, It seems a whole lot easier, safer, and more predictable to just rent a HOE.
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
I didn’t read TaxGuy, and Wisdoms post prior to writing mine.
We’re all are on the same page on this one.
It must be TRUE that GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE !! LOL LOL LOL
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Anonymous11I totally agree with your OPSEC methods. More men who dabble should do that.
I don’t do online dating as it’s a waste of time plus my city sucks for online at least for a man. I used a reverse of your strategy before I went monk except I simply trolled the tourist areas. I live in a tourist town with a steady stream of visitors and used my alias.
I don’t know why more men don’t use burner phones. It’s almost like they want to be caught cheating or stalked.
In My Opinion, It seems a whole lot easier, safer, and more predictable to just rent a HOE.
Yes. Except that not everywhere is legal.
Besides, I still don’t see the huge complexity. All the complexity lies on the setup.
– How long does it take to get a fake email account?
– How long does it take to order online fake business cards?
– How long does it take to get a $20 disposable phone?I did that progressively, over the years, but I do not believe it would take an average person more than 1h for complete the whole setup.
Too much work.
Not even James Bond does that much s~~~.
All that to blow the load in a meat hole?
Nahhh men f~~~ it.
Better watch some space ghost.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Buddy, I got to tell you, I got tired just reading all of that! That’s a ton of effort to get laid. I’m not criticizing, but I couldn’t do it.
I don’t mean no disrespect but I can see the culture of the minimum effort here. Maybe you ought to do the math and tell me how long does it really take to have the setup ready.
I guess my only question is, wouldn’t it be easier to just find an escort service? Or is the hunt and danger as exciting for you as the sex? Maybe go skydiving in the morning and grab a hooker for the afternoon?
Ilegal in many places.
I do not like danger at all. I am risk adverse. If I could do hookers legally that’s what I’d do all day long. This is the best system I have found so far, and so far it has no failed me.
Too much work.
Not even James Bond does that much s~~~.
All that to blow the load in a meat hole?
Nahhh men f~~~ it.
Better watch some space ghost.
Can you be so kind as to quantify, in minutes, all that work? I just cannot see it.
If/when my current gf and I break up (face it, relationships are transitory), I can see myself using the Mark Method.
The only thing is, I don’t travel much out of town.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
Besides, I still don’t see the huge complexity. All the complexity lies on the setup.
– How long does it take to get a fake email account?
– How long does it take to order online fake business cards?
– How long does it take to get a $20 disposable phone?The whole “dating process” that you described consumes time, energy, focus, and cash, but I would say the same thing about online dating in general. Hell, I will say the same thing about pretty much ALL dating.
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
Mark let me explain to you.
1) minute talking to a women IS TOO MUCH WORK.
Faking it all works for you, great 👍.
But being that fake is too much stress for me, sex should not be an extra work load. I don’t wanna fake a new “identity ” just to get laid.
Prepaid phone, fake business cards and credit card, prepaid phone? Seriusly WTF IS ALL THIS?
You sound like a CON man.
If it’s your deal and you like it, great, go for it, but me? Thanks no thanks.
By the way, if I ever got a friend who do these I wold stay 1000 km away from him, if tricks them, will trick me.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Mark: Please don’t take my comments as criticism of you. You have obviously put a good amount of thought into what you do and the steps you have taken to minimize your risks. What I said was really more about me.
Just the thought of setting up an online profile and going through all of the women on the website and trying to flirt and get one to meet in person makes me tired. That’s how fed up with women I am.
The only thing that I was trying to point out is that you work pretty hard at minimizing risk. That means that there must be a lot of risks to minimize. And to me, trying to keep track of which hotel is back in the rotation, having to change my appearance every 3 months or so, making sure there are no pictures, etc. sounds like more work to me than it does to you.
On the plus side for you, I don’t see any criticism of the methods you use, so I’d say it looks very well thought out.
Again, good for you if you’re happy. I’m in my 50’s. I’m tired. A piece of ass just isn’t worth that much effort anymore.
Order the good wine
By the way, if I ever got a friend who do these I wold stay 1000 km away from him, if tricks them, will trick me.
Always plotting, scamming, and “playing games” can unintentionally “rub off” into other areas of your life just ask ANY WOMEN !! LOL LOL
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Again, good for you if you’re happy. I’m in my 50’s. I’m tired. A piece of ass just isn’t worth that much effort anymore.
Exactly !!
That being said, You’re a Free Man, Do What You Want!
To ME, it just seems like the proverbial “juice” aint worth the “squeeze” !!
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
Agree with tax guy, I have a lot in risk too, I’m 33 still high sex drive but learned to monk it out.
I just relax and enjoy life. Hell if it wasn’t for the phone I wold have no connection with the world.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Mark let me explain to you.
1) minute talking to a women IS TOO MUCH WORK.
That is a good point I will take
You sound like a CON man.
Your keywords in bold. In the dating world I AM a CON man. Definitely. In the same way women try to CON me into giving them my wealth. I consider it fair game.
This said, everywhere else in life I conduct myself with a sense of honor that would surprise you. Let me give you one example: In my last job, about a month after I left I realized I took with me a paper notebook and a pen from the office. I drove back to the office and brought them back.
I guess a person has many different people living inside of them.
By the way, if I ever got a friend who do these I wold stay 1000 km away from him, if tricks them, will trick me.
You rush into judgment a bit too quickly. You may want to think on another level. People have different reasons for different things they do, and people are not absolutes.
Just friendly advice.
Mark: Please don’t take my comments as criticism of you.
Not a problem, not a beef. But I hope you understand I need to defend my points until proven wrong.
Just the thought of setting up an online profile and going through all of the women on the website and trying to flirt and get one to meet in person makes me tired. That’s how fed up with women I am.
That I understand and agree with. To me, is pretty much automatic. I spent a good 3/4 of my work day analyzing and mitigating risks, so when I am online “flirting” I am pretty much in autopilot.
But I got your very valid point.
The only thing that I was trying to point out is that you work pretty hard at minimizing risk. That means that there must be a lot of risks to minimize. And to me, trying to keep track of which hotel is back in the rotation, having to change my appearance every 3 months or so, making sure there are no pictures, etc. sounds like more work to me than it does to you.
Again, keywords in bold. As I wrote on my first post, this is a discipline. Is like learning a foreign language. There are things to memorize, things to keep track, but once you learn is pretty straightforward.
I believe you take a haircut every three months, right? Or you shave yourself pretty often right? So instead of doing the usual, do a change.
On the plus side for you, I don’t see any criticism of the methods you use, so I’d say it looks very well thought out.
Again, good for you if you’re happy. I’m in my 50’s. I’m tired. A piece of ass just isn’t worth that much effort anymore.
If prostitutes were always legal that’s the only thing I would do. To me, this is the next best thing.
And, by the way, it is also my way to f~~~ the system. I do take a bit of guilty pleasure disarming the little feminists. One of the last ones I did was actually living in a “feminist community” whatever that is. I am not sure her feminist friends would approve of swallowing on her knees of a pretty submissive position though 🙂
Anonymous12
awww come on Man…
like… reeeealllyyyyyy….
Fookin’ ell mate, what are you doing!
at least post this in the Dating subforum…But not here!
*Throws beer bottle at mark*
Get the hell outtahere with that drivel
*Opens another bottle and throws it *
Just grab her by the Tuna can, you fool!
😉
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