Leaving a tip at a restaurant

[Ever5Participant 1008]

Hermit wrote:

Old Sage wrote:

Wjen I want to judge someones Charater, I watch how they treat tjeir waiter/waitress.

I dont fix my spelling for cheapd basyerds

I’m pretty sure I’m on your wavelength, but you surely don’t agree that poor service deserves any compensation, do you? I don’t have any problem with tipping, but once in a while, I’ve had a waiter or waitress give very poor service in nearly every way possible and I’m not paying them for s~~~ work. If I do my job poorly, I may lose it. If I do a good job, I get a raise. That’s how it works.

Usually in that case, you should get a manager and discuss your problem with the manager. The manager needs to know what is going on. Perhaps the waitress has not been trained or was trained incorrectly. But if a waitress is making customers not want to come back, the manager/owner needs to know that. Also the manager will usually compensate you for legitimate complaints. Like if your food wasn’t prepared correctly or came out cold.

The “business” wants you to come back and spend more money. The waitress that is 18 years old and in high school or college or whatever, doesn’t really get it, doesn’t understand business, doesn’t understand customer service, they simply don’t have the mental capacity to comprehend these things. So that being said, the manager needs to know so that the manager can train her/him or whatever to perform her job, at least the behaviors where he/she/it understands why or not, that doesn’t really matter.

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[Anonymous 54]

I leave a tip based on the quality of the service.

But I alwaus get good serivice.

Why?

I dont show uo with an arogant attitude.

Eye contact!!!!!

Shhees…

I see dudes that wont even look up at them.

How would that make you feel?

[HermitParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I leave a tip based on the quality of the service.

But I alwaus get good serivice.

Why?

I dont show uo with an arogant attitude.

Eye contact!!!!!

Shhees…

I see dudes that wont even look up at them.

How would that make you feel?

I always say please and thank you. I’ve never been in that line of work before, but I know gals who have and I know they have to deal with s~~~heads who think they’re better than them.

I really mostly frequent just two establishments where I live and I have the exact same people wait on me every time. They know what I like and treat me well and I treat them like old friends…..because we kinda’ are as often as I go to these places. The bartender at the steak place has told me not to tip him, but I always do, unless I just have no cash.

The other place I go to I’m mostly waited on by the owner and I give them just a couple bucks because they’re obviously making a lot more then their wait staff. They appreciate the loads of money I spend, coming in every week, sometimes multiple times each week and they treat me very well and slide me some free drinks sometimes.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[KolaxisParticipant 668]

The big thing here is the thought that by not tipping, the industry will change. That’s never going to happen.

Let’s say for the sake of argument that everyone in the US stopped tipping completely. Now the employees who were depending on tips as part of their income can’t afford to work at those places. Of course, the businesses will have to raise salaries to keep employees or go out of business for not being able to serve their customer base. Mission accomplished, right? Wrong.

Do you think those businesses are going to take a hit to their bottom line? They’re just going to raise the prices of all their products to cover the added expense. Otherwise, they don’t make enough money to stay in business. So now you don’t have to tip but you’re still paying the same price, or more, as if you’d tipped to begin with.

In the end, not tipping to change the industry doesn’t affect people who tip and makes people who don’t tip pay more.

Jackie: How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall: I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.

[HermitParticipant]

Kolaxis wrote:

The big thing here is the thought that by not tipping, the industry will change. That’s never going to happen.

Let’s say for the sake of argument that everyone in the US stopped tipping completely. Now the employees who were depending on tips as part of their income can’t afford to work at those places. Of course, the businesses will have to raise salaries to keep employees or go out of business for not being able to serve their customer base. Mission accomplished, right? Wrong.

Do you think those businesses are going to take a hit to their bottom line? They’re just going to raise the prices of all their products to cover the added expense. Otherwise, they don’t make enough money to stay in business. So now you don’t have to tip but you’re still paying the same price, or more, as if you’d tipped to begin with.

In the end, not tipping to change the industry doesn’t affect people who tip and makes people who don’t tip pay more.

That’s right. You’re gonna’ pay one way or the other and if you don’t tip, you’re gonna’ get s~~~ service. I’m somewhat friends with the waitresses at the places I go and I hear them talk and watch them with the customers. The ones who don’t tip have to wait longer than the good customers who tip and they aren’t treated very well.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Anonymous 54]

You should pay.
You are buying a luxury product.

No tips means lousey service.

Cheap basterds…

[Anonymous 54]

Go to f~~~ing McDonalds.

They invented it for guys like you.

And dont snap your fingers at the waiter.

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3758]

Exactly Old Sage. Waitresses/waiters are people too.

And I don’t tip the waitress because I wanna marry her.

Treat others the way you wanna be treated.

[Anonymous 1]

When I do go out to a restaurant it is usually for some social reason not just to eat.

I always tip well. The service has to be absolutely horrible for me to leave no tip whatsoever. Usually laziness/bad attitude or completely messed up order. Only happened 2-3 times in my whole life.

The little things don’t bother me. If I notice they are running there ass off I cut them a lot of slack.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

Anonymous wrote:

You want to live well?

Be a regular at a reseteraunt, and tip well, make eye contact, please thank you.

Live like a King!!!

I have a place that I’m a regular. So regular that on the nights I go the menu and my drink are on the table when I walk in. When I, or one of the other regulars that are with me makes a dessert we share with the cook and the server.

I have 30 percent deducted from my bill every time I go in. The food and service are always excellent. The server gets that 30 percent and more back as a tip. I tipped her the same amount prior to the discount.

I don’t feel compelled, nor am I being fooled into tipping. The service I get is top notch, and I appreciate that at 2 in the morning when I walk in there.

If I don’t want to tip I go to a place without wait staff.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3758]

Ogre wrote:

I have a place that I’m a regular. So regular that on the nights I go the menu and my drink are on the table when I walk in. When I, or one of the other regulars that are with me makes a dessert we share with the cook and the server.

I have 30 percent deducted from my bill every time I go in. The food and service are always excellent. The server gets that 30 percent and more back as a tip. I tipped her the same amount prior to the discount.

I don’t feel compelled, nor am I being fooled into tipping. The service I get is top notch, and I appreciate that at 2 in the morning when I walk in there.

Wow, that’s a whole new level of service. Pretty cool.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22510]

There aint gonna be driverless anything after the first wave of lawsuits.

Driverless cars are going to be like the promise of everyone having flying cars or personal jetpacks.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Anonymous 54]

Ogre wrote:

Old Sage wrote:

You want to live well?

Be a regular at a reseteraunt, and tip well, make eye contact, please thank you.

Live like a King!!!

I have a place that I’m a regular. So regular that on the nights I go the menu and my drink are on the table when I walk in. When I, or one of the other regulars that are with me makes a dessert we share with the cook and the server.

I have 30 percent deducted from my bill every time I go in. The food and service are always excellent. The server gets that 30 percent and more back as a tip. I tipped her the same amount prior to the discount.

I don’t feel compelled, nor am I being fooled into tipping. The service I get is top notch, and I appreciate that at 2 in the morning when I walk in there.

If I don’t want to tip I go to a place without wait staff.

Thats what Im talkin about!!!
You get the Star treatment.
Yes, your buying it, but it is a buisness tranaction based on muchual respect.

Thats how I roll!!!

[Anonymous 54]

Good Evening Sir, the Usual?

Thats liveing!

[Anonymous 54]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

There aint gonna be driverless anything after the first wave of lawsuits.

Driverless cars are going to be like the promise of everyone having flying cars or personal jetpacks.

So we’ ll drive ourselves to resteruante? Hahha

[Anonymous 54]

SpiderHerder wrote:

Exactly Old Sage. Waitresses/waiters are people too.

And I don’t tip the waitress because I wanna marry her.

Treat others the way you wanna be treated.

My point exactly.

They can ” feel” your attitude about that right away.

That will get you bad service.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

And Refusing to tip is how you train employers to pay decent wages

“Decent” wages? Decency is an entirely subjective, and therefore meaningless concept.

The market determines wages, not the employer. And certainly not any tipper or non-tipper. F~~~ with that paradigm at your peril.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Sidecar: I agree, the market determines wages, but BECAUSE most patrons tip in sectors such as sit-down restaurants, wages are LOWER in the service industries that have traditional tipping, BECAUSE employee earnings include these tips. If tipping were banned, wages would go up (to attract service workers who would otherwise go to work at grocery stores, or other service jobs that pay more than restaurant job base salaries without tips under a tip ban), and you’d basically pay the same for the food, haircut, etc as a result,because the cost of higher wages, would be passed on to diners in higher meal and beverage prices. One plus that tipping has, at least you send a signal back to specific individual waiters/waitresses about service. In my view, we need MORE such signals in the economy. Workers don’t miss days of work in a month? Give ’em a small bonus. Small performance based bonuses. etc. But typically, you see this only in sales positions.

About 120 years ago, there was a movement to ban tipping in America (it was considered aristocratic, inapproriate for a Democracy, and imported from Europe). It was seen as creating a servile class. Very different reasons that what OP cites. Tipping itself is relatively recent, only a few centuries old. That said, the video was hilarious.

Personally, I DO tip, typically 15% unless service is very good or bad. I am also always very POLITE and COURTEOUS to all waitstaff. I’ve been traveling the last few days so I’ve eaten out almost every meal. I also ALWAYS tip cash unless it’s a business trip; I have to put it on a credit card to get reimbursed. That way they aren’t taking it up the @rse from Uncle Sam. The reality is, workers patronizing these establishments are often making 2, 3, or 4 times as much money as these hardworking service workers they tip. Sure, they may be low-skill jobs but it is hard work and they have to put up with a lot of S~~~. I also try to put all the plates, silverware, etc, together and leave the table as clean as I arrived.

I do agree about ‘decent’ wage. That is political mumbo jumbo to equalize incomes, used by the Left.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

All this talk about not tipping and getting bad service, then they get bad review online and manager gets called. F~~~ them. Am I supposed to tip out of fear now? F~~~ you. I do work service. I work at a gas station. I even clean the toilets when people s~~~ all over the toilet and the walls. F~~~ you. Where is my tip?

Call me a cheap bastard. F~~~ you again. I make minimum wage myself, without tips. There is no such thing as eating cheap at a nice sit down place. I’m giving them my hard earned money for over priced food. I pay the bill. That’s all that is needed. Tip if I f~~~ing feel like it whether service was good or not.

Don't care

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

FrankOne wrote:

If tipping were banned, wages would go up (to attract service workers who would otherwise go to work at grocery stores, or other service jobs that pay more than restaurant job base salaries without tips under a tip ban)

Actually, restaurants would cut staff, raise prices, lose custom, and a lot of them would go out of business entirely, putting a lot of people out of work. Because that’s what happens whenever this is tried.

Even though it’s very hard work, waitstaff are not a significant value-gain to a restaurant. Not to the restaurant itself. Otherwise things like self service buffets and take out would not be a thing. Simply put, waiters and waitresses are a luxury, not a necessity, and that for the diner, not the cook.

If an employee isn’t bringing in X dollars per hour to a company, that company cannot pay that employee X+1 dollars per hour, regardless of whether or not you think that’s a “decent” wage or “living” wage. And waitstaff don’t. Not to the restaurant itself.

Put another way, the waitstaff are only technically employees of the restaurant on paper for the convenience of government bean counters. In real world economics (which is what people should always think in), when you go to a restaurant, your waiter works for you. Your waiter is your employee for the time you’re there. The restaurant is, at most, a temp agency for contracting his labor to you.

That is the actual economic exchange going on there.

And waiting tables is one of the few things these days where employers are still permitted to pay based on merit, not some arbitrary schedule. And so should pay based on merit.

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