Leaving a tip at a restaurant

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

I make minimum wage myself, without tips.

And most places the waitstaff make far less than minimum (but with tips). They are an exception to most minimum wage laws for the reasons I’ve given above.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

If everyone stopped tipping it would make changes. Raise the prices on the bill. Good! Don’t play these games with me. The bill should be it. Pay the bill and it’s simple. It’s done.

Don't care

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

sidecar wrote:

And most places the waitstaff make far less than minimum (but with tips). They are an exception to most minimum wage laws for the reasons I’ve given above.

Yeah and with tips they make bank. As I have pointed out once again that the delivery driver at my same work makes more than me do to tips. Doing less work mind you.

The driver does make minimum wage before tips. So the whole $2.30 bulls~~~ don’t count so what is your argument for tipping delivery drivers?

What’s with this good service /bad service s~~~? You know what bad service is to me? Being too friendly and bugging me to much. Probably what other’s consider “good” service. Take my order. Serve my drinks and food. Shut the f~~~ up and get out of my face. That is good service to me. I could have a robot serve me food and I would be happy. And soon they will be.

Don't care

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Yeah and with tips they make bank.

So why don’t you stop whining, quit your gas station job, and sign on somewhere as a waiter?

As I have pointed out once again that the delivery driver at my same work makes more than me do to tips. Doing less work mind you.

So quit your job and apply for his.

If you’re not taking the steps to earn more, you can’t complain about getting less. You’re making the same sort of argument liberals and women make with their “equal pay” nonsense.

What’s with this good service /bad service s~~~? You know what bad service is to me? Being too friendly and bugging me to much.

But do you ever tell your waiter that? Remember, your waiter works for you. And you’re a s~~~ty boss if you don’t tell your employees what is required of them but instead let them try to muddle through.

I’m the same way about service. But I actually tell the waitstaff that. And if they listen they get a bigger tip. If they don’t listen, they get less. Soon enough the smart ones are ready with my drink and my order when they see me coming up to the door, no unnecessary chit chat or anything. Just simple, efficient service. “Good evening Mr. Sidecar. Will anyone be joining you this evening? Your usual table and order? Right this way, please. Ah, here comes your beverage, and your steak should be out momentarily.” Done and done.

See tipping is one of the very few ways you can give direct feedback to the employee in a straightforward and immediate way. You seriously think your roundabout half-assed “complaining to the manager” approach has anywhere near the impact?

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3758]

Well, if everyone stopped driving, we would save the planet.

Is it gonna happen ? F~~~ no.

Tipping is the closest thing we have to bartering. This is a transaction between the server and the served. Very low-key, without all the BS in between. It needs to stay for all the reasons stated above. Quality service = good tip. Bad service = bad tip.

Anyway, blah blah, I’m tired. haha

A lot of you get the point already.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

SpiderHerder wrote:

Quality service = good tip. Bad service = bad tip.

And the tax man doesn’t need to know a thing about it.

Always tip with cash when you can. Waiters prefer ten percent on the table over twenty percent on the card.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

I put myself through school washing dishes and pumping gas. The waitresses at the restaurant i worked were supposed to share tips with dishwashers. Guess what. $0 every f~~~ing day. No f~~~s given for the guy sweating his b~~~~ off in the sauna. Nothing for the guy getting steam blown in his face and burning his fingers on scalding hot dishes to keep the machine going. So waitresses can go get f~~~ed. You can call me cheap. You can tell me not all waitresses are like that. I don’t give a s~~~. They will take whatever i give and be thankful it’s not the $0 they left for me. I don’t owe anybody anything.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

sidecar wrote:

So why don’t you stop whining, quit your gas station job, and sign on somewhere as a waiter?

Because I don’t want more money. I want the tip included in the bill. I want the employer to pay them minimum wage and that is all they get. Apparently you completely misunderstand my argument.

sidecar wrote:

See tipping is one of the very few ways you can give direct feedback to the employee in a straightforward and immediate way.

no dude. they expect a tip and you are an asshole if you don’t tip according to them. that is all. If someone doesn’t give me good service I will report them to their boss and they will get negative reviews online which people are starting to pay attention to. they will lose their job or their restaurant will go out of business.

their attitude is “give me the money I expect”

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[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

Yeah and with tips they make bank.

Yea well you definitely don’t want to hear how much a couple female bartenders I know make haha.

They can make $100,000 per year and still be in debt, with a one bedroom apartment and a 8 year old car, so it doesn’t make any difference in the end.

You want to stick it to the server’s out there? Don’t go out.

The servers who do a good job deserve a tip for having to deal with fat, smelly and rude customers for 8+ hours per day. I gladly took less pay to be back in the kitchen for 10+ years. Not having to deal with customers was more important than money.

And the underlying problem with hostesses playing favorites is that the hostess, is well, usually a female. Have 10+ years in food service and 95% of the waitresses/hostesses hadn’t matured mentally from high school. Tips will cause issues but we all know what the real underlying cause of workplace issues is.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Samsquanch wrote:

Yea well you definitely don’t want to hear how much a couple female bartenders I know make haha.
They can make $100,000 per year and still be in debt, with a one bedroom apartment and a 8 year old car, so it doesn’t make any difference in the end.

^Truth.^

See it all the time in my industry.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Because I don’t want more money. I want the tip included in the bill. I want the employer to pay them minimum wage and that is all they get. Apparently you completely misunderstand my argument.

Oh no.

I understand it entirely:

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Equal pay! Equal pay! Equal pay! Equal pay! Equal pay! Equal pay!

And I’ve heard it many, many times before.

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

If someone doesn’t give me good service I will report them to their boss and they will get negative reviews online which people are starting to pay attention to. they will lose their job or their restaurant will go out of business.

And you think that’s easier and more effective than simply leaving an amount on the table commensurate to service received?

Seriously?

Tipping is bottom up. Complaining to management is top down. Writing a bad review on the internet is just social media masturbation. Bottom up works. Top down doesn’t. I’ll let you guess the effectiveness of social media masturbation.

And I guarantee I get better service at restaurants than you do.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

uchibenkei wrote:

I put myself through school washing dishes and pumping gas.

Mopping, vacuuming, and scrubbing the kitchens (among other things) for minimum minus one under the table, which was probably a health and safety violation.

The waitresses at the restaurant i worked were supposed to share tips with dishwashers. Guess what. $0 every f~~~ing day. No f~~~s given for the guy sweating his b~~~~ off in the sauna.

The waitresses never, ever do. The waiters did, though. At the end of the day they’d pool and divvy up among the men. The women bitched about not getting in on this, but f~~~ them since they never threw in.

It was the headwaiter who taught me waiters work for the customers, not the restaurant. He always got the biggest tips. That also p~~~ed off the women, but f~~~ them again.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

sidecar wrote:

FrankOne wrote:

If tipping were banned, wages would go up (to attract service workers who would otherwise go to work at grocery stores, or other service jobs that pay more than restaurant job base salaries without tips under a tip ban)

Actually, restaurants would cut staff, raise prices, lose custom[ers], and a lot of them would go out of business entirely, putting a lot of people out of work. Because that’s what happens whenever this is tried.

What DID happen, is that the laws banning tipping were repealed because they were unenforceable. This was a VERY long time ago, circa 1900. Tipping, in America at least, started around the time of the Civil War. For my part, I prescribe to Mises and Hayek: Let the OWNER of the restaurant decide whether to allow tipping in their establishments.

But they ARE going to have to pay higher hourly rates for servers because banning tips effectively lowers their pay, making work elsewhere, which now pays more than the restaurant, more attractive. This is a very different business scenario than, say, government raising the minimum wage/wage floor, which increases unemployment, and reduces hiring by employers. Personally, I believe markets, not governments, should set wages. I was presenting the tip ban as a hypothetical, certainly not aomething I advocate given my laissez-faire economic beliefs.

For my part, I actually like the ‘fast casual’ restaurant model when I eat out—-Think Chipotle—-over stuffy full-service tablecloth restaurants. Not so much because it’s cheap and I don’t have to tip, but more because service is fast, I can get the portions I want, and see the food before buying it. I guess I’d like more high quality, ethnic cafeterias, haha.

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Do you do it? I hardly ever do

I try to avoid sit down resturants when i can but when i do it really depends on many factors.

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Only when I feel like it. Is it a blue pill thing to do?

This also depends on many factors as is the tips divided or does the server get to keep them? if the tips are divided then no i will not tip just so it can be shared with someone but if it goes only to the server then yes i will depending on the circumstance.

There is also a rare level of empathy i have with these people (i hate everyone but i feel their situation) so i might tip more and am a better customer in general wherever i go. I understand those in the service industry have to deal with c~~~~~~~~~ customers all damn day as i have been in the situations. I have had people try to rip me off (pay with change with a line, demand drinks with orders that did not come with such, complain to management or threaten to call corporate) due to whatever bulls~~~ reason.

I know these workers deal with similar s~~~ or possibly even worse s~~~ then i have dealt with.

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

I mean when did it start?

When cheap ass owners made it a tradition in the western world.

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Oh your job doesn’t pay minimum wage so it’s now my responsibility to make up the difference? What kind of logic is that?

The only idea is that servers depending on the amount of customers they can get surpass minimum wage and make potentially more then it and if that happens the place of business is not forced to pay out the minimum wage if it does not then they are.

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

but some also tip for haircuts. What else? Delivery drivers. Cabs?

Why would i not tip for haircuts? especially when i have had connections to the barber i have been using for over 13 years now? but even if i had not i still generally had a good service and possibly communication with the one cutting my hair.

With delivery drivers again they are providing a general reliable service to where i do not have to leave the house in the freezing weather potentially getting arrested for drunken driving but i can still order a pizza and get it.

If i have been drinking or smoking or f~~~ing even a little i do not want to drive all the way to a pizza place in my impaired state.

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

What if everyone tipped? F~~~ing waitresses would be making more money than people doing hard labor. For taking orders and carrying plates and filling cups? Give me a break. You don’t deserve it.

The problem is that not everyone goes to sit down resturants even if a majority of people tip. If the industry was so booming that waiters got more money then those doing hard labor making less then they should demand to be paid higher due to their compensation.

If the waiters make at least 12 dollars an hour i should be making 15 as compensation etc.

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

FrankOne wrote:

Tipping, in America at least, started around the time of the Civil War.

It started around the time more people began to be able to afford eat at such restaurants (and ride carriages and trains and ships first class and so on). Before then it was only people who were wealthy enough to afford valets and ladies maids who could also afford such things, and since they already had such people in their employ, they had no need for waitstaff.

Such democratization of service began in the U.S. and is most prevalent here, which is why tipping is such a thing here. Note that all the services that traditionally involve tipping are direct equivalents of old manorial positions. Waiters are democratized stewards. Redcaps are democratized footmen. Doormen are democratized butlers. The guy who parks cars, who is a democratized coachman, is still called a parking valet. And so on.

But they ARE going to have to pay higher hourly rates for servers because banning tips effectively lowers their pay,

Again, it’s more that it makes the waitstaff into employees of the restaurant itself instead of employees of the restaurant’s customers. And since they are now employees of the restaurant itself, it becomes the restaurant’s responsibility to pay enough to retain their labor.

For my part, I actually like the ‘fast casual’ restaurant model when I eat out—-Think Chipotle—-over stuffy full-service tablecloth restaurants.

I like mom and pop diners, because they have to be good to stay in business. A wise man once told me to look for police cars in the parking lot. That always means one of two things: either the place was robbed, or it has really good food.

Sometimes, though, you want a really good steak or whatever, and it’s hard to find them in take-out form. Also Chipotle isn’t exactly a place to entertain potential business clients.

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