In Praise of Homosexuality

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

It is a beautiful thing to eschew females, owing to the vexation they have caused us throughout recorded history. The only reason such vexation was tolerated was on account that men in general are programmed to be gynocentric. How wonderful that there exists a demographic that is not swayed by the foul odour of a c~~~.

Hostility toward homosexual men and behaviour is a symptom of gynocentrism.
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Homosexuals in Europe and the Anglosphere are the predecessors to the present MGTOWs as they went their own way in a climate infinitely more hostile than the one at present. Unlike today, unmarried men were viewed upon with suspicion and were often subject to “bachelor taxes.”

Homosexuality was often punished by death in those areas under the sway of Abrahamic superstition e.g. Christian Rome, Byzantium, and the Islamic world. Via Wikipedia:

In the thirteenth century, in areas such as France, male homosexual behavior resulted in castration on the first offense, dismemberment on the second, and burning on the third. Lesbian behavior was punished with specific dismemberments for the first two offenses and burning on the third as well. By the mid-fourteenth century in many cities of Italy, civil laws against homosexuality were common. If a person was found to be homosexual, the city’s government was entitled to confiscate the offender’s property.

Yet under these circumstances, men kept going their own way.

Even in more recent times, men were subject to the horrors of quackery, including electroshock therapy and lobotomies, for homosexual behaviour. Alan Turning, who provided immeasurable assistance to the British war effort, and one of the grandfathers of modern computing, was prosecuted by the British regime. The quackery he was subjected to drove him to suicide…all because he went his own way.

Homosexuals were our predecessors in MGTOW, and as such respect ought to be shown. Given the opportunity, “society” (i.e. females) will take its revenge against those who do not sacrifice their freedom, lives, and riches. I suspect that religion was (and in many cases, remains) a guise for doing so in the case of homosexuality. One should also be weary of quackery, despite the scientific façade it presents:

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

There exists a demographic that is not swayed by the foul odour of a c~~~.

Nobody forgets the full frontal face slap of a rancid pussy. I doubt anyone wouldn’t be swayed by a foul odor.

But on this topic, I always sensed that women hated gays by the way they use the term “gay” as a slur and intended insult. You can see the disgust in her face when she says “what are you GAY?” when you don’t tell her whatever she want to hear. I would tell her that she did something unacceptable and she would come back with “what are you GAY?” ……… and I’m like “what are you talking about?”.

Furious because can’t manipulate by virtue of being female.

So whenever a man appears completely immune to her manipulation tactics, women press the panic button and start slinging anti-gay epithets at men.

On my way somewhere, I passed a woman who was shouting at her dog. The dog had wandered away and was ferreting through someone’s trash. Being the helpful man that I am, I tried to explain to the woman that the dog was probably not understanding her position on the matter and that this is one of the reasons the city magistrate considers it in everyone’s best interests for dogs to be kept on leashes — to deter that kind of chaos. Everyone got together and agreed it would make the city better.

The woman made an overly-crass comment that I’m not going to repeat here because of its hateful subject matter and stormed away. I found myself asking one question as she did.

Why do all women hate gays so much??

It’s because they are immune to her s~~~! What a realization! Women are extremely arrogant and in MOST cases , they have convinced themselves that ALL men want to bang them – ALL the time. Offer to help a woman with her groceries and in her mind, you’re already dry humping her legs. To her, it’s completely unfathomable that a man wouldn’t want to screw and would be talking to her like a human being.

Can you imagine being SO ARROGANT that you would assume any woman who isn’t immediately pursuing your sex must be a LESBIAN???

It’s quite remarkable.
I definitely admire their ability to be totally unaffected and adopt the same attitude as often as possible.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MalfunctionNeedInputParticipant 257]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

Homosexuals were our predecessors in MGTOW, and as such respect ought to be shown.

I don’t mean to be contrary but this seems odd to me. So you’re saying no other men were MGTOW before homosexuals, that men were slaves to the snatch were they not homosexual? I find this hard to believe. Respect is given to a MGTOW regardless of his sexual orientation, imho. The OG MGTOW may have been or may have not been homosexual, it doesn’t matter.

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. --Einstein

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

Very interesting point, Cypher. If one looks at both sides of the equation while homosexuality in men is degraded, homosexuality in women is now celebrated as “lesbian chic” in our gynocentric culture. That’s why so many women identify as lesbian or bisexual. Gloria Steinem once said, “A woman needs a man fish needs a bicycle” and another feminist leader said that “A woman cannot call herself a feminist unless she, is a lesbian, Otherwise she is sleeping with the enemy”.
Gay men bear the double stigma of being male and gay, while lesbians have the advantage of enhanced status by being lesbian and female. The different way gay men and women are treated is evidence of our gynocentric anti-male society.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

MalfunctionNeedInput wrote:

don’t mean to be contrary but this seems odd to me. So you’re saying no other men were MGTOW before homosexuals, that men were slaves to the snatch were they not homosexual? I find this hard to believe. Respect is given to a MGTOW regardless of his sexual orientation, imho. The OG MGTOW may have been or may have not been homosexual, it doesn’t matter.

I don’t think Cypher meant to say that straight men were not slaves before, just that gay men publicly came out of the closet before the MGTOW movement.
True though, one could say that the gay pride movement was not so much about all men’s right as about gay means rights and was not a predecessor to MGTOW, though technically both are about men going their own way, Gay men have the advantage of more easily eschewing a women’s “charms”, which is why women hate them, and make good candidates for MGTOW.

[Anonymous 18]

Interesting topic brother.

I think what KM said was spot on about their contempt for gay men because they are immune to her manipulation and hence not candidates for asset extraction. Or superfluous praise… Because pussy.

Keymaster wrote:

Offer to help a woman with her groceries and in her mind, you’re already dry humping her legs. To her, it’s completely unfathomable that a man wouldn’t want to screw and would be talking to her like a human being

I was recently at an electronic store browsing the earphones section. Being an audiophile I found a good deal for limited time on cans that go for 149.99 now going for 45.

Another couple was looking around beside me and I tell the guy if he’s interested try the ones on sale. The woman with him gave me a look as if I asked her permission to finger her dry pussy. Perhaps she assumed I am only offering because I got suckered into her pussy charms.

Shouldn’t have offered any help.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Praise a group who comprises 2% of the population, but makes up 61% of people who contract HIV, because of their perverse sexual choices? No thanks.

2% of U.S. population is gay yet it accounts for 61% of HIV infection: “Men who have sex with men remain the group most heavily affected by new HIV infections. While CDC estimates that MSM represent only 2 percent of the U.S. population, they accounted for the majority (61 percent; 29,300) of all new HIV infections in 2009.

They also commit pedophilia at a rate exponentially worse than heterosexual predators

The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. “Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.”

Praising gay men for “going their own way” is like calling a child intellectually independent because he prefers cookies to broccoli, despite his parents advice. Gays like dick and have no attraction to pussy.

Resident cynic.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

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Ancientwisdom wrote:

They also commit pedophilia at a rate exponentially worse than heterosexual predators[/quote

Totally false. The vast majority of child molesters are heterosexual in their adult lives.
The vast majority of child molesters are men, so should we hate men too, Not a very good MGTOW position.
The reason the majority of victims of pedophilia are boys is because the majority of abusers are men, they have more access to boys than girls, who are more protected than boys.

[MGHOW PaladinParticipant 95]

I envy gays and male-to-female trannies. They don’t have to put up bulls~~~ with women all the f~~~ing time.

I even went through a phase during my teen years thinking I was a tranny/bi/guy. Turns out, I’m straight as a pole.

Gay and trannies never have to deal with false rape accusations, women nagging all the time, or dealing with her c~~~y friends.

The only problem I see with most gay guys are that they’re feminists. Which is why I hate being around most of them.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

bobphilo wrote:

Ancientwisdom wrote:

They also commit pedophilia at a rate exponentially worse than heterosexual predators[/quote

Totally false. The vast majority of child molesters are heterosexual in their adult lives.
The vast majority of child molesters are men, so should we hate men too, Not a very good MGTOW position.
The reason the majority of victims of pedophilia are boys is because the majority of abusers are men, they have more access to boys than girls, who are more protected than boys.

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…”Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.”

In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers of children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.

Baldwin says evidence he examined disproves the assertion that child molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals. Both he and Reisman found that media coverage of adult homosexual abuse of minors is also slanted

These arejt MGTOW. Theyre a protected people group right up there with women.

The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) recently boasted that although homosexuals are less than two percent of the population, three-fourths of the people who decide the content of the front page of the New York Times are homosexual,” Reisman wrote.

That one fact is especially noteworthy, experts point out, given the recent child sex scandals taking place within the American Catholic church

The PC crowd wants to shove homosexuality as a normal and healthy life style down your throat. When HIV was first discovered it was refferred to as the gay disease, but thanks to PC culture the fact that they make up only 2% of the population but over 60% with tjr disease, is never spoken about. As is noted with the NYT above.

Resident cynic.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

I agree that mental illness is often just used to silence unpopular people, but I don’t think there is anything special about gay people or what they did. Groups of people have always been oppressed. Even Christianity which people blame for causing gays trouble used to be oppressed. They had worse than any of us maybe. Early Christians were tortured on a cross by the romans. I think what we can learn from both groups is that if we keep doing our own thing people will learn to deal with us. But I don’t praise either group.

[HitmanParticipant]

even the title of this post is a loaded gun ,..what if i praise homosexuality ? i’m not one , so am i cheering for their team because they have similaritys to mine ? what if i don,t praise it ? ah , F~~~ IT ! don.t they have a web-site of their own ? are they ” praising the MGTOW philosophy ? maybe ? ..i don’t know ..but for all the f~~~ed up s~~~ that goes on inside the LGBT community , i’m not sure that my praise is required .nor will it be given .

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

AncientBulls~~~, you have been swimming naked in high tide, and the tide has come out.

I searched for the source of your statistic re. HIV cases and found that you cited some very biased sources:
https://carm.org/statistics-percentage-population-hiv-infected
(Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry)
http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/
(World Net Daily)

If going your own way is letting the below deity (immediately to the right of the cows) dictate where you can and cannot put your penis, then I wish you the best of luck.

Rebuttal sources:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/26/study-20-of-homosexual-men-are-hiv-positive-but-only-half-know-it/

Ancientwisdom wrote:

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[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I responded to you in depth, but this site has a “duplication error” and my reply is pending.

Regarding this:

If going your own way is letting the below deity (immediately to the right of the cows) dictate where you can and cannot put your penis, then I wish you the best of luck.

Can homosexuals procreate? I suppose “nature” is also biased and discriminatory, eh?

HIV is transmitted primarily through blood. News flash- your asshole wasnt designed ti take a beating from another mans c~~~; and as a result, it bleeds. Hence higher incidences of STDs, HIV in particular.

You can “praise” the perverse lifestyles of homos all you like. Nature, whether you believe in God or not, has dictated they cant procreate. It is therefore a perversion of nature. They are disease ridden, and are a protected people group by the very government that despises straight, white, men.

Praise c~~~ suckers all you like, and tell us how you wish to have sex with prepubescent children. Your simply revealing your mental and moral filth.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

And btw my response that is pending shows a government website (the CDC) which shows HIV rates among f~~~~~s is even worse than I thought.

Your “unbiased” source has the word “rainbow” in its web adress.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Lets se if this post works…From the Center of Disease Control

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2011, an estimated 500,022 (57%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/

So lets get this straight: they make up 2% of the population but over 50% of all infected with HIV?

Why yes, lets “praise” them. Im such a Neanderthal for believing in a God and having morality…

Anything else? Care to praise pedophila sex again?

EDIT-

Oh, its even worse than I thought. Heres another quote from our PC governments CDC

In 2013, in the United States, gay and bisexual men accounted for 81% (30,689) of the 37,887 estimated HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 years and older

WOW!…Do you have anything other than name calling (ancient bulls~~~) and mocking my spiritual beliefs to back up your praise and admiration for perverse peoples such as disease infested homosexuals whom nature itself has dictated cannot procreate and your idea of having sex with prepubescent children?

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

AncientBulls~~~, you have been swimming naked in high tide, and the tide has come out.

I searched for the source of your statistic re. HIV cases and found that you cited some very biased sources:
https://carm.org/statistics-percentage-population-hiv-infected
(Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry)
http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/
(World Net Daily)

If going your own way is letting the below deity (immediately to the right of the cows) dictate where you can and cannot put your penis, then I wish you the best of luck.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

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Youre correct. I was wrong – its even WORSE and more disproportionate than my previous reply, and this is from a Government website which is so sensitive towards these special snow flake people groups you “praise”:

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2011, an estimated 500,022 (57%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/

NEWS-FLASH your anus wasnt designed to have a c~~~ thrusting in it. HIV is primarily a blood transmitted disease, and your asshole is going to bleed when you take the thrusting of another mans c~~~ in it at your local gay bath house.

Anything else butter cup? Want to admonish the forum with your desire to have sex with pre-pubescent children and praise pedophiles, as you have in the past?

Let us know.

Resident cynic.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

“In Praise of Homosexuality”? Yeah no. They get enough praise already. Only a homosexual puts on a dress and accepts an award for courage to a standing ovation and an audience of millions. When I get an Oscar for being straight, then I will put my hands together and give them the clap.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 3]

Why are we praising Cipher for conflating MGTOW with homosexuality when we attacked that other guy not too long ago for something similar?

There have been plenty of bachelors we know of and plenty others that we likely don’t know about throughout history. The gay agenda wants to claim these men were all gay, but it’s more likely that if they were gay they’d have “beards” anyway to sneak under suspicion. Plenty of sham marriages and women are quite content for those since most of them hate sex anyway.

I am with AW and refuse to promote the liberal left’s gay agenda. The statistics are all there, it’s a small percentage of the population, they have high STD rates, and there is nothing “noble” about it. If you’re going to complain about heterosexual relations don’t turn around and praise homosexuality to me afterwards, gay marriage is failing everywhere it’s been enacted because they have just as many issues as women do (and in many cases it’s two women, so it’s double, or perhaps quadruple as it might be multiplicative).

Historically it’s not like marriage rates were every 100% anyway. It’s stated that 40% of the male population of any era never reproduces. Right now marriage rates are dipping but it’s not like they’ve dipped THAT much. Maybe a 10% drop off of 50 years ago, and just a delay in marriage time.

If marriage rates truly dropped, it would be hilarious as women lose their only leverage and governments panic. Perhaps over in Japan that might happen, but even there it hasn’t really changed much outside of on top of the shaming they’ve now got women giving classes and “mentoring” men back into society. But let’s see what 5-10 more years does.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Four posts in a row; I must have struck a nerve. It is just as well; four of your best posts are not nearly as good as one average post of mine.

AncientBulls~~~, did you really think that you could get one over on me? First, you cite biased sources, then you cite deceptive data, as I have demonstrated.

The use of your data is entirely deceptive. You are not citing the percentage of gay and men with HIV, instead, you are citing the number of said men as a percentage of all cases among both straight and gay men. The article I cited says that for every five gay men, one, or 20%, has HIV. You are throwing around numbers like 57% or 83% to make the prevalence of HIV appear higher than it really is.

Going one’s own way involves weighing the risks, rewards, and opportunity costs of one’s behaviour. While I would likely not partake of such behaviour myself, the autonomy demonstrated therein is praiseworthy.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Anything else butter cup? Want to admonish the forum with your desire to have sex with pre-pubescent children and praise pedophiles, as you have in the past?

Yes, there is something else. The only thing I advocate re. sexual activity with anyone under the age of sixteen (the present age of consent where I reside) is that no one should be locked in a cage for mutual consentual activity. Barring that, if there is to be an age of consent, it ought to be moved to where it was in 1275 in England before the progressive c~~~s meddled with it.

For one who posts on a forum about “men going their own way”, you have made quite a bit of fuss about the ways certain men chose to go. I believe that young men are endowed with the same autonomy as any man, and that rendering one as chattel for not having yet reached an arbitrary age is odious on its face and incompatible with the Graeco-Roman tradition of freedom.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

…your desire to have sex with pre-pubescent children…

Now, some concluding business, AncientBulls~~~:
It seems like you are adept at posting stupid things; better that you amuse me than make me cross as you did with the above-quoted text. In your next reply, you will either cite and link the post wherein I allegedly expressed my “desire to have sex with pre-pubescent children”, or you will redact your post. If you fail to do either, I will make sure to remind others of your attempt to smear me as a paedophile in all future threads our paths cross.

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