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@ you know who
If you think my comment is off topic and inflammatory, you are a fool. I also don’t need a study to demonstrate an example, which is what I gave. And just so I get a better sense of where you stand, do you mind stating whether or not you agree with Cypher? Do you think a man can’t go his own way if he views homosexuality negatively? I find that statement to be one of the dumbest statements ever on these forums.
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@ you know who
If you think my comment is off topic and inflammatory, you are a fool. I also don’t need a study to demonstrate an example, which is what I gave. And just so I get a better sense of where you stand, do you mind stating whether or not you agree with Cypher? Do you think a man can’t go his own way if he views homosexuality negatively? I find that statement to be one of the dumbest statements ever on these forums.0
You are the one who is a fool since you maintain your beliefs in contraction to all the evidence and studies. For your information, neither I nor Cipher have ever claimed that that a man cannot go his own way if he views homosexuality negatively. The point is that all men who go their own way and are not susceptible to female manipulation, are worthy of praise, gay or straight . I resent all efforts to divide us based on homophobic prejudges and misstating of the facts ,Correct me if I’m wrong, but haven’t we just gone through a bunch of battles because of gay people’s desire to be able to be married, and play the same game as the hetero couples?
I don’t hate gay people, and their sexual orientation does not threaten me in any way. I just simply do not care, any more than I care what ANY man wants to do for his or their pleasure.
I do think, however that if you are gay in today’s society having sex with someone of your own gender is exactly what society expects from you, no longer some kind of rebellion or resistance. In the past it was something that many people hid, though everyone knew about it anyway. Being open about it could have some serious consequences. Not as much today, at least in the developed world.
Yes, gays have always had a struggle, but it is not the same struggle as MGTOW, and I don’t see it as a “predecessor”. I won’t try to quantify whose struggle is harder, as I just don’t care, but it is different. Gays have their own websites, support organizations, advocacy groups, etc. Let us have our one little corner."I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin
@ bobphilo
Look. I’m not angry, and hopefully we can have more pleasant interactions in the future, but I believe it is time for me to conclude my involvement in this thread. A word of advice: be careful who you associate with. This CH guy has said some things in a previous thread that he hopefully realizes are wrong. He disrespected Old Bill for disagreeing with his opinion basically and just kept evolving into something even worse. I have never seen such disgusting behavior from anyone on this site before. You may agree on this particular issue, but hopefully that is the only thing you were referring to when you said I was trying to divide you.
To clarify – no man going his own way has to like homosexuality, but the reverse applies: no man has to dislike it either. I can respect a distaste toward homosexuality as a result of a distaste toward the behaviour, but I mock those that defer to a Semitic war god on such matters. At the very least, the latter are not going their own way, as they go the way of said deity.
The reason I say that homosexuals are our predecessors in MGTOW because they went their own way and exercised autonomy over their own affairs and in a manner diametrically in opposition to everything that they were told by the priestly caste and the state.
One does not have to agree with the specific path that was taken in order to praise the act of going one’s own way, and to acknowledge that this is the same thing we are doing now.
He disrespected Old Bill for disagreeing with his opinion….
Not quite. He took exception with my assertion that he shouldn’t have shown hotnoob the disrespect he did. He didn’t agree with hotnoob’s opinions and demanded that hotnoob both retract and apologize for holding those opinions. In my opinion, such a demand was uncalled for and CH rather forcefully disagreed.
By way of explanation, my opinions regarding homosexuality are somewhat closer to CH’s opinions than hotnoob’s or even AncientWisdom’s opinions. I try to respect ALL of my fellow MGTOWs’ opinions. While I’ll disagree with them, I won’t do so as forcefully or as personally as CH feels fit.
And, of course, as a MGHOW CH is free to present his opinions and disagreement with others’ opinions in any manner he chooses.
As for this thread, I have reservations with several aspects of the “history” CH has posted. As with any other human behavior, homosexuality and reactions towards homosexuality have varied and currently vary far too wildly across time and cultures to be reduced as simplistically as CH claims. The issue is and has been far more nuanced than either CH or the Westboro Baptist Church would have you believe.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
The reason I say that homosexuals are our predecessors in MGTOW because they went their own way and exercised autonomy over their own affairs and in a manner diametrically in opposition to everything that they were told by the priestly caste and the state.
Yes, many gays have gone their own way, following their own wants and desires to seek relationships with others of the same gender.
But MGTOWs are also going against their own instincts and desires in many cases. Many of us wish we could have a good, rewarding relationship with a woman, we just understand that it is ridiculously unlikely. We have spent a lot of time energy and money trying, and many have been devastated in the process. We are still constantly tempted to try in many cases.
As I said before, I won’t try to quantify or compare which struggle is tougher. They are simply different. If I was attracted to other men, I’d probably be looking for some pecker. I am attracted to women, and society would certainly accept my seeking a marriage, family, etc. but I choose not to go there. It’s something not done, despite the initial desire to do so. That would not seem to match the current gay struggle, unless it is a gay man deciding to ignore his impulses and be with a woman, something that would be an easier mesh with society, but would deny his own natural desires. It’s a subtle difference, but a real one.
Of course, that’s just my opinion, and each of us must take his own meanings from all this s~~~."I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin
Okay. I’m getting the sense I’m wrong on some things, so I’ll stick around and try my best to clarify my issues and try to understand better.
@ CH
If I’m wrong, I apologize. Please forgive my misunderstanding.
I’ll try to clarify my view on things and why I disagree with your latest statement. I understand your comparison between the homosexual crowd and the mgtow phenomenon. The following may sound ridiculous, but it is just my humorous analogy. Say there is a guy with a foot fetish. I don’t have anything against someone having a foot fetish, but it isn’t natural. I say it isn’t natural because sex is the activity that nature gave to man in order to have offspring. A foot has nothing to do with procreation. When I call something a perversion, I identify something as being abnormal, a diversion from the natural way of things. Now to tie in the homosexuality: to me it is like the foot fetish. I lose no sleep over the fact that people have either foot fetishes or are gay. They are two adults and they can have whatever sex each has agreed with the other to have. The thing that troubles me, is the praising part. It is normal for a man and a woman to be together. I don’t believe in God, so for me it is just a matter of how the species works. We as aa society can not be healthy if the next generation grows up being told that the perverse is normal. That just distorts reality.
Now for the more important issue. My phone is having trouble so I’ll continue in another post. Should be ready in a few minutes.
Look. I’m not angry, and hopefully we can have more pleasant interactions in the future, but I believe it is time for me to conclude my involvement in this thread. A word of advice: be careful who you associate with. This CH guy has said some things in a previous thread that he hopefully realizes are wrong. He disrespected Old Bill for disagreeing with his opinion basically and just kept evolving into something even worse. I have never seen such disgusting behavior from anyone on this site before. You may agree on this particular issue, but hopefully that is the only thing you were referring to when you said I was trying to divide you.
No problem Ciga. We can agree to disagree on this thread and I am only referring to this topic at hand. I have agreed with you on other threads and also hope for more pleasant interactions in future.
Okay, deity believers..
I’ll use Christians since I’ve had plenty of encounters with them. I reject the idea that they can not be mgtow because God’s way is such a broad and really an unclear path. The bible and I’m assuming most holy books are contradictory and don’t set a man on a set path. He has to forge his way through life applying what principles he believes the bible/his god holds to be true. Because no one can speak to god, and the bible is unclear, it is really the believer who ends up making his own choices on how to live his life.
Now I will try to explain what I hope will come of what we are saying here. Let’s please agree not to make demands of other mgtoh about their life choices. We are going to disagree about plenty of things, as is natural in a large diverse group, but we must be careful never to run off others. This site is helping men wake from the blue pill nightmare and save their lives. I’m glad we can disagree without getting too emotional, but we have to be careful. Every man driven away from the site is a potential man driven back into the feminist trap. Again, I’m sorry for anything ive done wrong and I hope we all share the same attitude. I’ll do my best to learn from past post and be the best contributed to the site that I can be to help empower the community and reach more men.
Yes, many gays have gone their own way, following their own wants and desires to seek relationships with others of the same gender.
But MGTOWs are also going against their own instincts and desires in many cases. Many of us wish we could have a good, rewarding relationship with a woman, we just understand that it is ridiculously unlikely. We have spent a lot of time energy and money trying, and many have been devastated in the process. We are still constantly tempted to try in many cases.
As I said before, I won’t try to quantify or compare which struggle is tougher. They are simply different. If I was attracted to other men, I’d probably be looking for some pecker. I am attracted to women, and society would certainly accept my seeking a marriage, family, etc. but I choose not to go there. It’s something not done, despite the initial desire to do so. That would not seem to match the current gay struggle, unless it is a gay man deciding to ignore his impulses and be with a woman, something that would be an easier mesh with society, but would deny his own natural desires. It’s a subtle difference, but a real one.
Of course, that’s just my opinion, and each of us must take his own meanings from all this s~~~I see your point. It is easier for a gay man to go his own way than a straight man since he is not as tempted by females.. However gays are still just as an important part of MGTOW if they speak out against female manipulation even though it might be easier for them to resist women. In a way, it is harder for them since society is so prejudiced against them.
Look. I’m not angry, and hopefully we can have more pleasant interactions in the future, but I believe it is time for me to conclude my involvement in this thread. A word of advice: be careful who you associate with. This CH guy has said some things in a previous thread that he hopefully realizes are wrong. He disrespected Old Bill for disagreeing with his opinion basically and just kept evolving into something even worse. I have never seen such disgusting behavior from anyone on this site before. You may agree on this particular issue, but hopefully that is the only thing you were referring to when you said I was trying to divide you.
No problem Ciga. We can agree to disagree on this thread and I am only referring to this topic at hand. I have agreed with you on other threads and also hope for more pleasant interactions in future.
I’m glad you feel the same.
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Okay, deity believers..
I’ll use Christians since I’ve had plenty of encounters with them. I reject the idea that they can not be mgtow because God’s way is such a broad and really an unclear path. The bible and I’m assuming most holy books are contradictory and don’t set a man on a set path. He has to forge his way through life applying what principles he believes the bible/his god holds to be true. Because no one can speak to god, and the bible is unclear, it is really the believer who ends up making his own choices on how to live his life.
Now I will try to explain what I hope will come of what we are saying here. Let’s please agree not to make demands of other mgtoh about their life choices. We are going to disagree about plenty of things, as is natural in a large diverse group, but we must be careful never to run off others. This site is helping men wake from the blue pill nightmare and save their lives. I’m glad we can disagree without getting too emotional, but we have to be careful. Every man driven away from the site is a potential man driven back into the feminist trap. Again, I’m sorry for anything ive done wrong and I hope we all share the same attitude. I’ll do my best to learn from past post and be the best contributed to the site that I can be to help empower the community and reach more men.[/quoteI say Amen to that, though I’m an atheist. LOL
I think a MGTOW can be gay, bisexual, atheist, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, young, old, rich, poor, ugly, handsome, tall, short, a ladies man, or forever alone. Whatever.
But I still reject the OPs original point, about homosexuals being a predecessor to MGTOW. Sure they both went against what society said they should do, sure, However, homosexuals are far from the only group that went their own way went society wanted them to conform. Off the top of my head, American revolutionaries (and revolutionary really), Martin Luther King, Jesus., Martin Luther, Gandhi….and feminists.
Praise whoever you want, but I personally don’t get inspired by the homosexual revolution, nor do I look to how they accomplished their goals as a blueprint for MGTOW to follow.
Ok. Then do it.
Holy F~~~.
Well, here’s some gasoline. Enjoy.
I’m a Christian, most days. The New Testament disapproves of homosexuality, barely. Most references to homosexuality in the New Testament are actually discussing temple prostitution, with male child slaves. That said, Christianity is anti-homosexuality, in a couple of references NT. Old Testament rules that are part of the 613-odd commandments are usually ignored, because they also discuss things like menses and ritual bathing and things that even the NT suggests are best simply ignored. On the other hand, various essayists have suggested that the definition of homosexuality tends to vary from culture to culture, from age to age.
The Bible reserves its real wrath for unbridled heterosexual activity, with lots and lots and lots and lots of references. If we’re just going with Biblical mentions here, random sex seems to be more of a concern than gay sex. I would myself agree that this tends to implode a society. For all the noise and hysteria, I actually think there aren’t that many actual glbt folks in society. My own sense is that feminism has created a great deal of the homosexuality that we’re seeing.
As an anarcho-capitalist Christian, I want no government to regulate social behavior, because it will very quickly decide to regulate my faith, and religious civil wars tend to end societies. The government has no right that I wish to ever give it to decide who can or can’t get married, who can or can’t see each other in a hospital, or who can or can’t do what to whom in a bedroom. Thanks, both fascism and communism suck, and I don’t want to live under either.
As a minority group ourselves, I might be wary of espousing the regulation of social behavior. I think we’re rather more likely to be regulated. Bachelor tax, anyone?
Transgenderism gets one mention Old Testament, sort of, in terms of wearing clothes of the opposite gender, which is interestingly what they managed to railroad Joan of Arc with. Again, most Christians pretty much ignore oddball and one-mention OT prohibitions. I don’t think there are that many transgender folks in our society . . . but historically, a number of societies (Navajo, Flips, Thai) seem to have a high enough proportion that they have a role in the culture. I’ve always assumed genetics, but who knows. In the societies with the highest percentage of transgender folk, it’s only a few percentage points.
There are any number of examples of homosexuality in nature. Genetically, it may serve as a way to promote the passing on of closely related genes of other family members as a care / assistive role. One is fairly closely related and has fairly close genetic material with siblings and first cousins.
My general sense is that most of the homophobia in our society comes from bullying and because it’s an easier target than is the total collapse caused by unbridled sexuality, single female parent households, and the like. On the other hand, I think unbridled homosexual sexuality isn’t good, either.
I don’t know where you’re getting your stats for HIV infections, and I don’t care to challenge them. AIDS/HIV has moved into the heterosexual population in the West, just as it has done in Africa. Miami, where I live, supposedly has the highest HIV infection rate in the States, according to the church group I used to belong to that was attempting in small ways to help. I don’t buy that half the newly infected males were gay. I just don’t buy it. I do buy that gay males are more likely to get tested than are the general population, and selection bias is vital in any kind of sampling.
According to one theory, the healthiest offspring with the longest telomeres (sp?) would be produced with girls in their teens and males in their forties or fifties. The prohibition against marrying young teens is historically quite recent, and the fact that we’ve delayed adolescence in a skazillion ways because of our collapsed economy doesn’t change that fact. Lots of people throughout history dated and married fourteen and fifteen year olds. . . and even girls younger than that, so long as they had reached menarche. Middle Asian cultures often “married” girls younger than puberty so as to claim them for when they reached puberty. Most cultures are, however, aware, that generally it’s best in terms of health for a girl to be a couple of years into menses before attempting to have children, for the health of both mother and infant. Since the Bible doesn’t set an age limit on marriage, and since the faith of my birth (and half-ethnicity), Judaism, says that one is an adult at thirteen, I usually go with that, whiny bitching aside by
communistliberal temples about how that doesn’t count any more because they decided to simply toss out the Bible. . . yet another reason I’m Christian (the Bible-tossing-out by all too many Jews).Note that 11 y/o British midshipmen armed with dirks and pistols led fully grown men on charges across crowded decks in battle, and teens have routinely fought in wars. “Adulthood” as a legal concept has more to do in common law with the preservation of family wealth from predators than anything else.
What else . . . I give zero f~~~s what anyone else thinks of me or my choices. I don’t see this as a movement, and have no clue how “going his/their own way” could possibly be a f~~~ing movement. On the other hand, I don’t care what anyone else thinks, either, and don’t feel I have any right to dictate to other people what they do or don’t do. I have the sense that there are probably going to be few gbt mgtows, so I think it’s largely a moot point. If there are any, awesome. They’re going their own way.
I don’t approve, at this point, of *any* sex outside of marriage, and think that the acceptance of that is largely what has led to the total collapse of Western civilization as well as the rise of feminism. I note as a related point that the Romans almost certainly had a plant that was a method of birth control. That plant no longer exists, and we don’t know what they used (it was possibly a type of abortificant). It was almost certainly deliberately destroyed by the Romans at some point – claims that it was overharvested are bulls~~~ and make zero economic sense. I think marriage is always a pain in the neck, and that the feminist society we have created out of an unbiblical idea of egalitarianism has made marriage, friendships, or any type of relationships with women literally impossible.
After the collapse, this will change, just as “first wave feminism” ended with WWI, and “second wave feminism” ended with WWII.
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