I need some help

[RegularJoughParticipant 258]

Anonymous wrote:

RegularJough wrote:

I know I can seem down in my posts, but I’m actually an upbeat guy, it’s just things can really get to me sometimes. I’m a born leader. My charisma and leadership has always taken a spot in the back burner since my army days, I never needed it. But now, time to exercise my strengths.

No, you dont sound that downbeat at all. It has been clear to everyone the caliber of the man behind these posts.

I may offer some ideas from my experience, but in my mind you are a role model. I wish I had the willpower to do much of what you told us here.

Thank you kindly.

I had an issue tonight.

My ex said she needed to talk, about my “transgendered” daughter. Tough subject. Took about an hour and twenty minutes to hash out a best case plan. Needless to say, it’s a plan full of holes. But, I digress.

Towards the end, logistics came into the conversation. Cars, insurance, money, the fun stuff.

Got back on the old-ish topic of her increased alcohol use, and what the kids thought, and how I parented the situation. She thought my goals were to turn the kids against her, make her seem to have an alcohol problem, and that she’s screwing a bunch on dudes.

Turns out, it’s two guys, and she’s screwing one. Each item of alcohol had a back story, and all could be explained away. However, my kids didn’t know all that, and they were concerned. Each step I made, she took issue with. How I talked to the kids, how I talked to her, and then later how I talked to the kids again.

What I did, was remove any doubt. I told the kids the truth. Moms drinking more, because she has less pot. Mom is drinking more because it’s a social thing to do. A guy drank the beers in the fridge. Mom does not have a new boyfriend or husband, but mom is sleeping with a guy or two.

Do the kids NEED to know this? Probably not. Was there any good way to explain all this to them with only giving half truths and lip service, or omitting details like where the beer went? (My ex hasn’t had a beer since I’ve known her).

So, “role model”, “caliber”?

I don’t know. I could have handled it all different, maybe, but at the time, the truth felt like the best choice.

Now, on to the real s~~~ty part. I recorded the whole conversation. Turns out, it’s against the law. I was kinda glad I did, because right at the end, she’s going on about getting a lawyer, taking the kids from me, and that she wants a contested divorce to say I’m brain washing the kids against her.

I’m pretty torn about it all.

If my ex is creating a situation where the kids are clearly hyper concerned, and I tell them the cold hard truth, and my ex is upset because the kids may think less of her, that’s not turning them against her, is it?

What is the right choice? Omit truth, or feed half truths, or just be honest?

This concern the kids had was from her completely omitting how once I left, she’d start drinking more. Then, to cover her shenanigans with dudes, she said she’d tell the kids if she ever had a new man in her life. Because the kids never heard about a new man, they assumed mom started drinking beer too. There is/was a man, so her half truth caused the concern.

My truth may have shed a negative light on her, but at least the kids know.

I have no ill will towards her. She’s actually a good mom, just a terrible wife. I would never even try to turn them against her, I would gain nothing, but the kids would lose a lot.

I guess she doesn’t feel the same way towards me, which is why she threaten me with the contested divorce and the lawyer and taking the kids.

S~~~ blows.

Not only that. I don’t have the money to buy that damn keyboard.

F~~~ing payday was yesterday.

Shit tested, Brother approved.

[Anonymous 3]

Anonymous wrote:

I was going to post someday about how men try to be friendly and helpfully during divorce, and women try to do as much damage as possible.

So, why are you so friendly and concerned with nitroglycerin? It may blow up for anything, or no particular reason!

Many have said that during divorce a man should have the minimum and most short businesslike conversations with the ex.

The fact that you didn’t is not because your are bad, but because you care. No good deed goes unpunished by women.

I meant what I said. I look up for you, by your courage in many things you did.

But there is a time to be “honest” and “do the right thing”. It is not during divorce!

I expect other guys, with more experience than me, to help you out here. Especially in the legal aspects.

In my opinion you have but one opportunity here, and you are not going to like it. You have to make your ex beleive that you can f* up everything!

You are worried in being perceived as the “good guy”. But for your self-preservation, in her eyes, you must be seen as the bastard that is capable of taking her kids and put her in prison, manipulating the justice system. This while being seen as the ideal parent to everyone else.

Either this or she will take the kids from you, putting you in jail, and manipulating the justice system.

You are not in a fair fight.

You must cover your ass all the time. Gather proof about everything. Be paranoid.

I can tell you a story.

I knew a couple that worked in my company. At one office dinner the husband started ranting on how men are screwed at divorce, so “let it be love”.
Two years after this: the guy comes home and says that he didn’t love her and wanted divorce. He did not have an honest conversation with her after that.
He already had a lawyer. He would make complains to the court that she didn’t comply with visitations times, when she followed everything to the letter. But she couldn’t prove it, because she wasn’t expecting needing to.
It got real bad, she almost went to jail. They almost lost both custody of the kids.
But one thing is for sure, she was not screwing him, she only wanted it to stop and to be alone.

Obviously that guy was being coached by his new girlfriend. Only women can be so evil as to use kids this way.

I am telling this so that you know that this kind of thing is possible. I doubt that you could ever do something like this. However your ex probably knows that to. So, she might feel safe doing it to you!

Be strong. Record everything. Think carefully on your next step.

And cut out on the conversations with her!

[RegularJoughParticipant 258]

Anonymous wrote:

ZenState wrote:

I was going to post someday about how men try to be friendly and helpfully during divorce, and women try to do as much damage as possible.

So, why are you so friendly and concerned with nitroglycerin? It may blow up for anything, or no particular reason!

Many have said that during divorce a man should have the minimum and most short businesslike conversations with the ex.

The fact that you didn’t is not because your are bad, but because you care. No good deed goes unpunished by women.

I meant what I said. I look up for you, by your courage in many things you did.

But there is a time to be “honest” and “do the right thing”. It is not during divorce!

I expect other guys, with more experience than me, to help you out here. Especially in the legal aspects.

In my opinion you have but one opportunity here, and you are not going to like it. You have to make your ex beleive that you can f* up everything!

You are worried in being perceived as the “good guy”. But for your self-preservation, in her eyes, you must be seen as the bastard that is capable of taking her kids and put her in prison, manipulating the justice system. This while being seen as the ideal parent to everyone else.

Either this or she will take the kids from you, putting you in jail, and manipulating the justice system.

You are not in a fair fight.

You must cover your ass all the time. Gather proof about everything. Be paranoid.

I can tell you a story.

I knew a couple that worked in my company. At one office dinner the husband started ranting on how men are screwed at divorce, so “let it be love”.
Two years after this: the guy comes home and says that he didn’t love her and wanted divorce. He did not have an honest conversation with her after that.
He already had a lawyer. He would make complains to the court that she didn’t comply with visitations times, when she followed everything to the letter. But she couldn’t prove it, because she wasn’t expecting needing to.
It got real bad, she almost went to jail. They almost lost both custody of the kids.
But one thing is for sure, she was not screwing him, she only wanted it to stop and to be alone.

Obviously that guy was being coached by his new girlfriend. Only women can be so evil as to use kids this way.

I am telling this so that you know that this kind of thing is possible. I doubt that you could ever do something like this. However your ex probably knows that to. So, she might feel safe doing it to you!

Be strong. Record everything. Think carefully on your next step.

And cut out on the conversations with her!

I do care. That’s how it started, because our 12 year old daughter is convinced she is “transgendered” and my ex wanted to talk about it. Not sure if it was crocodile tears, but each time she mentioned about how other people would perceive this or how bad she was dealing with the potential outcome, tears were in her eyes.

I know where I messed up in the conversation. I had asked, when the talk died down, if she wanted to hear a sad story. I told her I was home, the windows were open and I smelled a skunk. Thinking for a second that it was pot, that she was there, that pot made her happy and that it might be a good night if she was high, I was sad to realize a second later that she wasn’t there. Her response? “Or just remember how missable I am without it”.

I said, “Get out. Grab your s~~~, and get out”.

That’s when the floodgates to the alcohol and how I told the kids everything about moms alcohol and use pot.

Sure, maybe I didn’t need to tell them all that, but now they know, and the kids won’t have to wonder or worry about filling in all the gaps, they know the truth, even if my ex wanted to hide it from them.

Right now, I’m back at work, seven days a week. I have no chores to do today, no cash for the keyboard and no solid plans for the week with the kids. They start school on Wednesday. Summer is over. At least they can get back into a routine that doesn’t involve too much time sleeping until noon.

Oh, one more thing. The red pill has really changed how I think about women and relantionships. However, my ex sees relantionships how we all here assume women do…..

She commented, “Why…….blah blah blah, say I have nothing to offer? I’m a grown single women, I have a lot to offer!”

I said, “What’s your offer, make dinner and maybe let the guy have sex?”

Pause.

Then I said, “What? He gets to spend his money, his time, but you trinkets, entertain you, but drinks….”

She says, “Yeah, you know, a relantionship”.

So, apparently, my ex falls squarely into the AWALT category.

Which brings me to my closing for the morning before I get all my machines running.

I do not envision a situation where my financial future is better than it is today. I’m going deeper into debt each week. I’m at 11k in just credit card debt. I see no way out of this, nothing else to cut, and frankly, I foresee my ex trying to get way more child out of me. So, it’s not good.

Also, I like pussy. So much, that the MGTOW red pill is the hardest to swallow, probably every one feels like this to a degree. However, I foresee no situation where I’m actually comfortable without at least the option to get laid once in a while. My ex robbed me for 17+ years of who I am, and in the end, she’s taking half of what’s left. I have little free time, I work seven days a week, and still have no money. Even if I wanted to go blue pill, it’s not even an option. I guess what I saying to this point is I feel so damn locked down to a bad situation, I can’t see how it gets better.

Yeah, I’ll get a keyboard when I can. I’ll probably go to Peru, I’ll use my unused vacation time from this year, cash it in, and take a trip. I’ll get some oil paints and paint some pictures, I got one in my head I want to get on canvas. I got my pull-up bar installed, and I’m up to 75 push-ups non-stop, and 22 pulls up non-stop. I’m in ok shape.

I realize I have more value than just how much money I have and whether or not I’m getting laid, but jeez, it’s like I got a gold bar that I can’t sell and no one wants.

What’s so good about living a clean drug free, alcohol free, care free, debt free life, if I don’t enjoy it?

I need to get this s~~~ straight, this divorce can’t come soon enough. I need closure on this and I need to start moving forward, because I’m not sure how much longer I can deal with the feelings of treading water.

Shit tested, Brother approved.

[Anonymous 3]

I am going to give you a tool, that I learned in two different places.
Its a tool to confront people without making things out of control, and psychologists use it a lot.

Step 1 – place the situation in the other person shoes:
“If I was causing stress in the kids, and they where worried about me, you wouldn’t like it”

Step 2 – demonstrate that the action is reasonable, if it was on their side:
“You would want to explain things to the kids, and you would not be lying for me.”

Step 3 – define a solution for the future so that problems don’t arise:
“So, let us both have the life appropriate to good parents, as much as the situation allows. Because none of us wants the kids hurt, and neither of us will permit it.”

And thats it.

I don’t think its constructive to discuss emotions and relationships, neither red or blue pill stuff.

A women’s only game is a game of words and feelings. Don’t play that game. You will lose.

So, I would advise this:

RegularJough wrote:

“I’m a grown single women, I have a lot to offer!”

“At what time do I pick the kids?”

[RegularJoughParticipant 258]

Update.

One good, one bad.

Ex came back Sunday to talk with me and my daughter.

Hashed out a plan, and at the least we have something to move forward with as far as my daughters transgender issues go. That’s the good.

The bad…

I made a hurtful comment towards my ex. Honestly, I’m ashamed. I noticed during our talk with my daughter on Sunday that my ex has lost a lot of hair.

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Sidebar- if things were different, and I was looking for a woman, I don’t think I’d find my ex attractive. It hit me hard, she’s just not attractive to me anymore, it’s really hard to comprehend this.

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So she catches me looking at her head, and asked “what?”, I said nothing. Sees me looking again, then again. I was shocked to see the amount of hair loss.

She asked again, and I answered. I said “your hair is getting really thin…”

She was beyond upset.

I’m jumping over a few things that went down, this damn mobile phone is killing my writing….

Needless to say, I haven’t heard from her since yesterday.

I have an admission to make. I felt both bad and good about calling out her hair loss. After she shrugged her shoulders about admitting to sucking some guys dick she meet off the internet, and never touching mine for years, it felt good to hurt her. But still, hurting her goes against who I am.

It’s pretty messed up how she created a situation that hurt me enough to hurt her and I’m feeling bad about it all.

One more note…. I threw caution to the wind and took on some more credit card debt. I ordered a new keyboard for myself. It will be here soon and I’ll have something to occupy my time for a long time ahead.

Shit tested, Brother approved.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

“The slave has neither means of redress, nor any basis for legal action of any sort.
The slaves rights are all based upon the good will of its master.”

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[RegularJoughParticipant 258]

The Manipulated Man wrote:

“The slave has neither means of redress, nor any basis for legal action of any sort.
The slaves rights are all based upon the good will of its master.”

Jeez…. It’s rhetorical, but do you know how correct that is?!??

I have said many times, that people looking to get married should do some kind of marriage training beforehand….

Now I’m thinking that’s wrong. Any man that is ever thinking of even having a girlfriend, needs to come here and read through a few things.

Thanks guys.

To say you’ve all been a life saver to me would be an understatement.

Shit tested, Brother approved.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

That quote is centuries old. Even though the packaging of man’s enslavement is slicker, nothing has really changed.

Your call for help and continued progress reports are wonderful. The advice and support from other MGTOWs is inspirational and heartwarming. Don’t give up and keep adding your story to this thread.

I want to encourage you again to try and find Serenity within yourself. It will make the peace and tranquility that comes into your life a wonderful joyful experience.

Here are some things that came up while reading your thread. The following is an attempt at tough love:

Being bored with the peace and tranquility that happens is an indication that you have addictions and/ or an addictive personality.

I believe that it would help you to study the nature of addictions, even though you are not suffering from the usual addictive substances.

The ALONON Daily meditation book called “Courage to Change” has been a powerful tool for me to learn things which helped me to find Serenity. It takes a commitment of one year of short Dailey lessons to get the training which will benefit you for the rest of your life.

Here is an original version of the 12 Step “Serenity Prayer:”

Father, give us courage to change what must be altered,
Serenity to accept what cannot be helped,
And the insight to know the one from the other.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[RegularJoughParticipant 258]

The Manipulated Man wrote:

That quote is centuries old. Even though the packaging of man’s enslavement is slicker, nothing has really changed.

Your call for help and continued progress reports are wonderful. The advice and support from other MGTOWs is inspirational and heartwarming. Don’t give up and keep adding your story to this thread.

I want to encourage you again to try and find Serenity within yourself. It will make the peace and tranquility that comes into your life a wonderful joyful experience.

Here are some things that came up while reading your thread. The following is an attempt at tough love:

Being bored with the peace and tranquility that happens is an indication that you have addictions and/ or an addictive personality.

I believe that it would help you to study the nature of addictions, even though you are not suffering from the usual addictive substances.

The ALONON Daily meditation book called “Courage to Change” has been a powerful tool for me to learn things which helped me to find Serenity. It takes a commitment of one year of short Dailey lessons to get the training which will benefit you for the rest of your life.

Here is an original version of the 12 Step “Serenity Prayer:”

Father, give us courage to change what must be altered,
Serenity to accept what cannot be helped,
And the insight to know the one from the other.

Honestly, it’s like you know me.

There’s been days when I’ve been home bored, looking out the window, and I ask myself “what am I looking for??”

I’m still deeply rooted into the idea of putting a woman before myself. If some girl walked up and, proverbially, says “take care of me and you’ll get all the sex you want”, I think a part of my brain would jump all over it. I believe THAT is my addiction, one that I was so used to getting, and if her demands kept growing, it gave me more ways to “prove” my love, keeping me on a path to “always have something to do”. But now it’s gone, and she can call me selfish all she wants, but I just don’t have much experience asking myself what I want or what I’d like to do.

I know it’s not right, I know where that female path leads, and I’m desperately trying to get my brain and heart on the same page.

I’m stricken with grief over the loss of stability that comes with ending a marriage, and further worried about how I will ever pay off my debt.

However, my overall attitude about this situation is improving. On the day I created an account here, I was in pretty rough shape emotionally. Today, I’m at least able to look at the big picture of things, without getting too worked up on the inside, and be able to live my life without too many stomach aches.

She’s my ex, I detest what has happened, and while there is plenty to be upset about, I still wish no harm to her. That’s why I was so ashamed to call her out on her thinnin hair, I don’t want to hurt her, even if she hurts me.

Yesterday, I took care of her car insurance. I’m a vet, so I have USAA. Best company I’ve ever had the pleasure of dealing with, just awesome. Turns out, she can continue using them even after the divorce. So, I set it all up for her, and she just needs to make one phone call to start her own car insurance with them. Easy as pie.

The days are getting a little easier, but I’m waiting on the day when I feel more whole, less affected by the thoughts of what’s she’s doing and have a better outlook on my own life.

So….

Fleshlight? In the mail right now.

Keyboard? In the mail right now.

Pull up bar installed.

Next week, passport.

Next spring, Peru. (If it works money wise, I’ll sell back all my unused vacation time).

Shit tested, Brother approved.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

RegularJough wrote:

That’s how it started, because our 12 year old daughter is convinced she is “transgendered” and my ex wanted to talk about it.

Jumping in late in the thread. Please consider your daughter’s issues as a cry for attention. The LGBT QRSTUV WTF crowd has taken a page from feminism to advance their agendas.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[RegularJoughParticipant 258]

Solo MAN’S Wisdom wrote:

RegularJough wrote:

That’s how it started, because our 12 year old daughter is convinced she is “transgendered” and my ex wanted to talk about it.

Jumping in late in the thread. Please consider your daughter’s issues as a cry for attention. The LGBT QRSTUV WTF crowd has taken a page from feminism to advance their agendas.

Yes Sir.

We (the ex) have outlined all the ways she’s been on the “outside” of so many things. It’s only natural for her to ask herself “what’s wrong? Where do I fit in?”

She feels a little like an outcast, so what better way to self-identify than to pick some of the most outcast people to join ranks with.

I feel for her, I really do, but I’m on the page that thinks this is a serious cry for attention. She’s already received much praise for “coming out” from friends and family. Had she had this level of support beforehand for her just to be who she is, I doubt she’d be going down this path.

Shit tested, Brother approved.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Tuneout wrote:

Time heals all things,
I went from relationships to paying by the hour till that lost it’s appeal,now I just think to myself what else can I do with that money?

It took me about a year to get there mentally. Problem is you equate your self-worth with your ability to mate without even knowing it. It’s biology that the biggest male gets the pussy in nature. But we have brains and can undo some of that thinking. No pussy?, you feel lost, alone etc. Then you realize those feeling are a bulls~~~ response to old evolution and procreation programming, you break free by reteaching yourself to not react. A “I don’t need to f~~~ anything to prove myself” attitude will start up..

Funny thing is, you get there and then the pussy throws itself at you because you don’t want it. It makes you feel great she wants you and then you realize it wasn’t the f~~~ing part that elevated your mood, it was the winning her approval part (more biology). Your sex urges are easily handled with jerking off, the emotions are the part that need extra work because they are stronger.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[RegularJoughParticipant 258]

FrostByte wrote:

Tuneout wrote:

Time heals all things,
I went from relationships to paying by the hour till that lost it’s appeal,now I just think to myself what else can I do with that money?

It took me about a year to get there mentally. Problem is you equate your self-worth with your ability to mate without even knowing it. It’s biology that the biggest male gets the pussy in nature. But we have brains and can undo some of that thinking. No pussy?, you feel lost, alone etc. Then you realize those feeling are a bulls~~~ response to old evolution and procreation programming, you break free by reteaching yourself to not react. A “I don’t need to f~~~ anything to prove myself” attitude will start up..

Funny thing is, you get there and then the pussy throws itself at you because you don’t want it. It makes you feel great she wants you and then you realize it wasn’t the f~~~ing part that elevated your mood, it was the winning her approval part (more biology). Your sex urges are easily handled with jerking off, the emotions are the part that need extra work because they are stronger.

Reading it, it makes perfect sense.

It’s all true.

I suppose I knew it all along. It’s why I stated wanting to “get laid”, not just have an orgasm.

I’m going to look into this topic more, specifically how it relates to addiction, and some good steps to overcome these thoughts and feelings.

I need to gain better control over myself, because just abstaining from sex won’t cure the thoughts of wanting it.

Shit tested, Brother approved.

[Anonymous 3]

FrostByte wrote:

Your sex urges are easily handled with jerking off, the emotions are the part that need extra work because they are stronger.

^^^ This is very important ^^^

I know it is not easy, and knowing the issue does not solve the issue.

I personally have crossed that river, but I think is something very unique and personal. We have our own path.

All my life I was driven to have sex, I used to say it was the most important thing in life.
Obviously, as a married man, I had little sex. So all my married life of 20+ years has been a painfully experience.
I tried everything, but nothing improved the situation.
Then I had 2 major revelations and several small ones.

Big revelation n 1: she does not care for me.
That is a difficult one, because that exactly what we try to avoid. Sex is the affirmation of a bond between man and woman. So, a woman not caring for sex equals to saying the man is not good enough, and we cannot face it.

Big revelation n 2: she is sexually selfish.
After getting the first one I had a large period of reduced activity. Sex happened when my wife had the initiative. My reasoning was “I will not do to her what she did to me.” But I stopped doing a lot of other things…
Also, I tried to just get some pleasure for myself, without the emotional pressure I had before.
Unfortunately I finally noticed that her concept of sex was “allowing” me to do what she wants. Saying what I wanted had no result whatsoever. Little by little I noticed that the physical aspect is disappointing when the man loses the emotional context.

I became aware that masturbation is better. I actually have someone interested in my pleasure doing it!

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Welcome. I hope to see more of your posts.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

RegularJough wrote:

So….

Fleshlight? In the mail right now.

Lots of guys love these things, I just can’t get over the smell of burning rubber. Whatever you do, don’t throw more lube on when your trying to cool it off, the result is something like a signal fire, alarms going off and all that s~~~.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[RegularJoughParticipant 258]

Reading more about addiction. While no place on the internet would describe a man perpetually seeking validation from a female as an addiction, it certainly is, and it fits every definition of the word.

My take away? Simple. Here’s the quote I wanted to share.

“What am I really feeling? When have I felt this way before, and why? Will what I’m about to do actually scratch my itch for relief from my unease, or will it only make it worse?”

See? Exactly the right question I should ask myself before seeking or entertaining the idea of “getting laid”.

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So, one more thing to share before I head to sleep. I had compiled a list of things I wanted. This was done after I asked, broadly, what I was going to do with myself now that I’m a single man. Well, here’s my list. Please, everyone who reads it, I’ll take any comments, questions or advice or anything.

What I Want-

To forgive (my ex) for any wrong doings I feel she may have caused.

To find peace in myself, to know I’m a quality person even with my faults and mistakes.

To understand my kids only get one childhood, and to remember we are setting the ground work for who they will be in the future.

To find sovereignty in my life.

To learn how to be the best Dad I can be at this new stage of my life.

To build richness in my life, while not dwelling on what I have or may be missing out on.

To stop focusing so much on what has happened, and focus more on what will.

That’s all I got. It’s on two small notes, I keep it on my dresser, and I probably read it a few times a day. I’d like to add more.

Shit tested, Brother approved.

[RegularJoughParticipant 258]

I have many updates to this thread… It’s been about a week, and each aspect of my life has had new experiences.

So, flesh light. Gross. That s~~~ was cool, once. But damn, it’s a mess. Straight into the trash. Oh well.

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Ex – Her brother attempted suicide last week. Lots of stress and issues surrounding it, but hopefully things level off for him. My ex was also caught up in the new school year stress and how it relates to my daughters “transgender” stuff. Lots of issues there, but it all seems manageable.

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Had a parenting class, for the divorce. Super hardcore blue pill s~~~ there. You guys wouldn’t have believed it. However, I contributed a healthy red pill to the discussion.

The woman giving the class asked what the “losses” would be for a spouse during a divorce. I answered first, in a group of about 50. I said “cash”. Men around me made sounds of agreement and the women crossed their arms and gave me cold stares. The woman then spoke up and said some women pay support, asked the crowd for a show of hands of women who are/will be paying, not a one. Dead issue and point made. The second great point I made, again first to comment, was we were asked what we “gain” during a divorce. I said “sovereignty”. The woman stopped, said she’d never heard that response before and asked what I meant. I said, “Well, now I get to control my time, my efforts and my money and no one gets a say over what I choose to do next”. As you can imagine, many men made agreeing noises and nodded their heads. Again, the women gave me glaring looks. Epic.
One more class, and I’ll be sure to drop a few more red pill bombs next time.

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So, on to other matters. I met a chick, because I did something different. Normally, when picking up my kids from play dates, I don’t meet and greet the parents too much. It’s a small town, everyone knows everyone, and I have no concerns about local parents or their kids. However, I didn’t know these people my kid was hanging around, so I thought it would be good to meet them. “Them” was just a mom, a single mom. Super hot, kid the same age as mine. Right off the bat, she was really pleasant and warm, a real quality person. Some slight flirting, then my kiddo came out and it was time to go. Next day, I reach out. We chat/text, we meet for a talk late at night. Easy stuff, no sex and no money or commitment. Now, hear me out. While sex is great, it’s not enough for me to pursue a woman over, so the kicker here was her kid was/is also “transgendered”, so we had a lot to discuss and much in common giving the circumstance.

So, last night, after just a few interactions and not too much time spent, we go together to go feed her horse. Easy enough. It gets late, hugs and kisses turn into the prospect of sex, and I get told about a cold sore on her mouth that I had not noticed. Not very f~~~ing great. Then, accepting the idea I just sucked on a core sore, I asked if anything else was “up”. Turns out, yes, HPV. 15 years ago, she got word she had HPV and wanted to let me know.

Upon reading more about this, chances are good it’s a non issue and there is nothing to worry about. Still, sex did not happen, nor will it. I’ll send a text at some point today to let her know.

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On a side topic, I think I made a new guy friend and even introduced him to MGTOW. I was at the laundry mat, washing clothes, and this guy was clearing going through some s~~~, as he was talking about a break up on his cell phone in the laundry mat. The chick I’m talking to lives two minutes from the laundry mat, so while waiting for my clothes, I tell her to come over. She does, and we stand outside shooting the s~~~. The guy from inside comes out and approached the chick, says “Hey, was it you? Were you the one who hit my dog??”

Turns out, she was. She hit this guys dog with her car two days ago, and the next day, his fiancé leaves him. She packed the apartment and left only his clothes and the engagement ring. Pretty s~~~.

The chick leaves after 15 minutes, and I talk to the guy, tell him about a website I know that could help him.

Next day, I see him outside working and it was hot weather. So, I stop at the store grab a few cold waters and go back to visit him. I met his friend and we talked tools and cars for a bit. I hope to hang out with him and be sure he’s doing ok, as having the rug pulled out from under him like that is probably pretty devastating.

Well, I guess that’s all I got for now.

Shit tested, Brother approved.

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