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Anonymous18“If it has a plug it’s not a gift”
Coming from a woman…
It is women conditioning lesson pure and simple.Teach men to go along.Shut up and do what I want or this Strong independent women will marshal blue pill posse to make you understand.Shut up and go along with my test it is easier with a touch of shamming thrown in
Thanks a lot for the honor.
But I prefer being among my brothers rather than stand out among them. So lets not make a fuss about this MGTOW-of-a-month thing.
You’re one hell of a good sport. A pleasure to get to know you. We will change it to “Mgtow of the week” and let it run until Sunday while this thread is sticky. It’s a great one. Thanks for starting it. Into Top Gun it will eventually go.
( Another new member will be featured on Monday. )
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Be sure to follow this thread up with an outcome.
Would be interesting to see how this plays out.Some of your most self-defining moments will DEFINITELY not be like or acknowledged as sensible or even right. BUT – as much as they will hate it and never admit it out loud – you WILL be respected for it. Even by her.
Every day is one s~~~ test for weakness after another, and assault on your self-esteem. It never ends. How you handle those mini-battles are everything. And if women don’t approve, you probably did everything right.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.@varun
Never regret standing up for your principles.
Let others regret forcing you to take a stand.There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
You’re one hell of a good sport. A pleasure to get to know you. We will change it to “Mgtow of the week” and let it run until Sunday while this thread is sticky. It’s a great one. Thanks for starting it. Into Top Gun it will eventually go.
Be sure to follow this thread up with an outcome.
Would be interesting to see how this plays out.Some of your most self-defining moments will DEFINITELY not be like or acknowledged as sensible or even right. BUT – as much as they will hate it and never admit it out loud – you WILL be respected for it. Even by her.
Every day is one s~~~ test for weakness after another, and assault on your self-esteem. It never ends. How you handle those mini-battles are everything. And if women don’t approve, you probably did everything right.
Thank you. I do not mean to disrespect the honor; its great to be MGTOW of the day.
But we are not here to compete.
Let’s face it. Men are never collective. Its always having to prove that you’re better than the other. For eg. yesterday a group of young plumbers came to fix a leaky pipe in my house…..all of them were about my age. When I met them, I nodded. But they just made skulky faces.
I do not want that. Men are set apart by social and economic standards. Those guys probably thought “He is a rich kid who lives in a big house, he can never come
updown to our level. Let’s keep our guards up.” And so the battle ensues. I hope every man can relate to this. FOr whatever reason, be it natural, biological, scientific, aesthetic, spiritual, personal….whatever…. we always have this issue.For once, I want to live a life that is void of this every-day competition. I don’t want to compete to be ‘better’ or ‘stand out’ among my peers. Sure, that would make me elated, but everybody else would become envious. I don’t want that. I have seen countless friends fight with one another over a girl. Like, seriously? You’re fighting over a woman? How much are we devaluing ourselves by fighting over women? Are they so precious? I think not. Its not about hating them for their privileged status……but isn’t it because of this so-called status that we men have been put into second class? I would have taken ‘equal’, but that seems such a far-fetched word now-a-days.
I derive my sovereingty not from standing out, but from being confident enough that I don’t need to. I want to be in a company of people who would respect me without me having to prove my worth to them, every day, every minute, every second.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
The sister-band symbolizes a promise that the sister would pray for the well-being of her brother and in return, he would protect her from harm.
I don’t know what came over me, but I denied her request upfront, and followed with a statement that shocked everyone in the room, including my own self.
Meh, MGTOW is great, but I’d kinda advise you to remember kin is kin. Might have been some pent up s~~~ you were holding in that caused that.
Meh, MGTOW is great, but I’d kinda advise you to remember kin is kin. Might have been some pent up s~~~ you were holding in that caused that.
I know. That’s why the regret. But like I’ve said, its not about hating the other person or putting yourself to a higher standard above them….but rather preserving your own self-worth.
Its not about hating them for their privileged status……but isn’t it because of this so-called status that we men have been put into second class?
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Probably it has been covered already but an interesting question popped into my mind.
Let’s transfer this vow to protect her into a western setting. What did she do in the first place to receive such harm? And why am i supposed to white knight her no matter what without a doubt? Did she offend the wrong guy or risked a lippy speech? Of course the white knight would suffer the consequences and lil’ princess will continue to live her life because vagina.
Edit: I just wanted to point out that you are right about this Varun. To blindly swear/obey/promise something is just against any reason. It’s just a free ticket for her to act like crazy out of a whim without suffering any repercussions. This vow is useful for her only especially in the present – the days of family are long gone.
UPDATE: Just got off a big whatsapp chat with my cousin. Let’s just say all is well for now. But I think I will not get any rakhis from her in the future.
Here is what happened: the news that I have broken tradition spread like wildfire (what I was really afraid of would happen). Even my next-door neighbour got to know of the incident. Yes, that is how ‘bad’ things get over here.
Yesterday was really dramatic. My dearest Mihika khuri (mother of my cousin, and I don’t care making her name public) called up my mother. She ‘expressed her concern’ over the incident and advised she take me to a psychiatrist. As my mom told me, her words exactly meant what Mr. Big Boss said over here:
kin is kin. Might have been some pent up s~~~ you were holding in that caused that.
He must be so troubed!
After the call, more drama followed. My mother said I had cut her nose (idiom for bringing dishonor) in front of my uncle’s family. I will spare you the details but for the most part, I remained quiet.
She finally made me call my uncle in the evening and formally apologize for my behaviour. I apologized to all of them….but hearing Mikiha aunty in her c~~~y voice “We are always here for you Beta! If you have a problem, you can always tell us, no?” Cousin was away at school so I sent her a whatsapp msg, which she replied to this morning.
As for my cousin, she just said that I had embarassed her in front of our families, hers and mine. And that she would not get me another rakhi ever. All I said was that I did not do it out of hate, but because I didn’t want to make a false promise. I re-ran the “I can’t make a promise I can’t keep” thing, to which she never replied. SHe probaby thinks there’s something very wrong with me, like I’m mentally ill….just like her parents do. I couldn’t care less.
But at least now I can say I am relieved. If it had been me a year ago, I would have fallen on their feet. But I know better now.
Thank you very much for all of your support. It really helped me more than you could ever imagine. Peace.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I don’t know anything about your Indian rituals or Indian culture but it sounds like you f~~~ed up.
Family comes first. Sounds like you know you f~~~ed up. I would do the right thing and apologize. Or you could be thinking about this years later.
This fallen world is mired in sin and takes no prisoners. You need to uphold your traditions, race, ancestry, blood, and family honor. Those are empowering things which is why those who are leading this world astray for theirs and their children’s gain have sold us and you Westernization and feminism. To destroy the family unit. They want one standard for them. Another standard for you.
Don’t listen to anyone on this page that tells you it’s ok to put your own “solidarity” confused or otherwise over your family. You would only do this in extreme situations which do not apply here.
You’re family are the only people who will be there for you in life until the end. Friends, girlfriends, associates and others come and go.
Put your family first in all respects.
MGTOW has nothing to do with family and is off limits for family. You need to learn to compartmentalize. Compartmentalize. Family comes first. They are a sanctuary. You don’t break family or send shockwave’s unless it’s something extremely serious. Then you try and work it out.
No, Mr. Michael. I respect your views, but at this day and age, its hard t trust anybody except yourself. even your own family. Mothers put sons in jails for their on benefits and fathers molest daughters. I am pretty sure a lot of members here can relate to what I say.
So even the family compartment is compromised.
I highly respect christian-based balues because they put an emphasis on family values. But how far has it been successful in keeping the family unit intact in the west. You got to think; and even hope, that everything will be all good at the end…..
…but until it does, you gotta look after yourself.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I had something similar happen to me Keymaster. Basically older brother and his pregnant wife decided to send pictures of her that were professionally done. Personally I never understand this need to spread your s~~~ around on other people. I sent a response back to them saying, in future please do not send me stuff like this because I really don’t care to see it.
15 years later my sister-in-law still won’t talk to me. My brother asked me once about it, I told him that he married her and he may like looking at it but I certainly did not.
@ Michael
Absolutely not. Either your own happiness and well being is your priority, or that of your family is your priority. Nothing is wrong with trying to get along with your family, but you don’t sacrifice yourself to do so. I’m not going to make any claims about which one mgtow supports, but if you aren’t getting married, I don’t see how you are placing your family over yourself.
Also, Christianity does not necessarily equate preservation of the family unit or traditionalism. The first followers of Christ (the twelve disciples) left their families behind in order to follow him. Following Christ meant throwing away the ways of their Jewish family/society. Later in the New Testament, we see Jewish Christians trying to tell gentile Christians to get circumsized and not eat “dirty” animals. Early christian leaders made it clear that they were not going to force these old Jewish customs onto the believers.
It’s funny how women vacillate between the 20th and 21st century when the need arises. First they are weak souls who need our protection and we must become the disposabe sex. Then on the other hand they are independent, self-reliant amazons who don’t need a man. This confuses the hell out of blue pillers(or should I call them blue pillars) because these wonderwomen want their cake and they want to eat it too. They figure, why not? They baked it, but God forbid if we think that way as well. Women are not confused though. They know what they’re doing and they know how to manipulate a situation. Well damn the cake, they can keep it. I’ll stay MGTOW fit and mangina free for life. Like Keymaster said “In what world is this a reasonable exchange?”. Why isn’t it enough for you to just pray for her as well? It’s like I always say, women don’t want to be equal to men. They see themselves as the more valuable sex. They want more and will always feel that they deserve more.
Some times we over think what women are.The are large children.Selfish and will do what ever it takes to make what they want to happen.Women often need help undoing and making things all right again after plans blow up.
This help needs to take the blame as she is only responsible for the good outcome.A bad outcome is not her fault.
Evey thing is about them.They are ego maniacs with a insecurity complex .They need to reassured constantly and biggest fear is to be found out what and who they are all about and that is them.
There was a time when they stood by their men.They needed a man to provide food,shelter and protection.Uncle Sugar is now providing this in return for a vote.
Men have made appliances to free up more of their time.We even gave them wash and wear clothes.microwaves.With all this time on their hands and not having to do wife type chores and things.The have been plotting to run the world.The do not need men except for heavy lifting,dirty jobs and saving the day when their dumb ass plans blow up and yes take blame while they run away after playing I am just a girl cardNo, Mr. Michael. I respect your views, but at this day and age, its hard t trust anybody except yourself. even your own family. Mothers put sons in jails for their on benefits and fathers molest daughters. I am pretty sure a lot of members here can relate to what I say.
So even the family compartment is compromised.
I highly respect christian-based balues because they put an emphasis on family values. But how far has it been successful in keeping the family unit intact in the west. You got to think; and even hope, that everything will be all good at the end…..
…but until it does, you gotta look after yourself.
I do not know your family situation and I won’t pretend to. Just be sure you’re not over exaggerating or allowing MGTOW emotions to get the best of your perspective. Even the Mafia can trust their own family. Tony Soprano never had to watch his back around his own family. You see – even these evil criminals understand the importance of having a “core” that is “good” they can come home to precisely because they CAN’T trust anyone else.
It seems I’ve revealed my “Christian based values” via osmosis. I did not mention them yet you picked up on them. To answer your question/statement: You are correct. Those in power have corrupted society for profit and others for their own agenda. A big part of this plan was the destruction of the family unit. Empowering women’s emotions via feminism thorough the courts over many decades is just one factor that has led to the situation today.
Don’t let it happen to you in India.
@ Michael
Absolutely not. Either your own happiness and well being is your priority, or that of your family is your priority. Nothing is wrong with trying to get along with your family, but you don’t sacrifice yourself to do so. I’m not going to make any claims about which one mgtow supports, but if you aren’t getting married, I don’t see how you are placing your family over yourself.
Also, Christianity does not necessarily equate preservation of the family unit or traditionalism. The first followers of Christ (the twelve disciples) left their families behind in order to follow him. Following Christ meant throwing away the ways of their Jewish family/society. Later in the New Testament, we see Jewish Christians trying to tell gentile Christians to get circumsized and not eat “dirty” animals. Early christian leaders made it clear that they were not going to force these old Jewish customs onto the believers.
No. I will not put my happiness and well being first at the expense of my family. The only people on this spinning ball of rock in the universe you can trust with your life (unless you’re very unlucky) is your family. My happiness does not come first in that compartment. I have a transcending duty and honor to upload. I do not come first. They do.
Your second paragraph a little out of context and only applies in an extreme situation i.e. 12 people following Jesus 2000 years ago. So I will not comment because can’t see how it applies to the OP.
Christianity does not necessarily to “equate” preservation of the family unit or traditionalism. But in a majority sense, it used to. Western Christian values were fundamental to Western civilization before everything slid to were it is today.
@ Michael
Alright, your priorities are your choice. Good luck brother, and be thankful your happiness and getting along with your family are both possible. I still disagree about Christianity and can point to specific parts of the Bible, but since this isn’t really related to the thread like you mentioned, I’ll just keep it to myself unless you’d like to continue it with a new thread. PM me if you do.
Anonymous2Today was Raksha Bandhan in India.
Like every time, I usually pass the day off unnoticed without much drama…. but not this time. My uncle’s family visited us and my cousin wanted to tie a rakhi (sister band) on my hand, like she did with all my brothers. The sister-band symbolizes a promise that the sister would pray for the well-being of her brother and in return, he would protect her from harm.
I don’t know what came over me, but I denied her request upfront, and followed with a statement that shocked everyone in the room, including my own self.
Because it was not me that spoke, but my new, mgtowish inner-self; one that I didn’t know I had in me: “I can’t make a promise that I know I can’t keep!” and stormed off.
As usual, my mother was p~~~ed off. My uncle and his wife didn’t say anything except throw me looks of contempt until they left just a half hour from now.
I don’t know if what I did was right; I mean I bear no ill will to my cousin, who’s just 14. But I think I just didn’t want to come off as a white knight and , like really, make a promise I know I won’t keep……..not anymore.
Just wanted to get it off my chest. Peace.
Your stance is perfectly acceptable, and if people don’t like it, then too bad for them. Let me make 2 points:
1. Prayer is bulls~~~. The notion that your cousin praying is going to protect you is utterly ridiculous. So the notion that you should provide her with actual protection and sacrifice your safety and well-being for her in return is ridiculous. This is like me telling you “You pay me 50 quid every week, and in return, I will pray for you to win the lottery.” Would you consider that a fair trade-off? Only a damn fool would take that trade, so why should you be expected to make the same trade with the item being protection instead of money? In fact, go ahead and ask your family if they would consider paying you money in exchange for prayers for them to win the lottery is an even trade and see what they say.
2. Your unwillingness to make a promise you can’t keep is a sign of honorable behavior on your part. There is no honor in making empty promises just for the sake of appeasing certain people. Your family should respect your honesty instead of being angry with you for not making a promise that you know you don’t intend to keep.
You did nothing wrong. You told the truth and if people don’t respect that, then too damn bad for them. It’s like that cartoon drawing where there are two booths with a guy sitting at each one, and one has a banner over it that says “Comforting Lies”, and the other one has banner over it that says “Unpleasant Truths”, and the guy at the “Unpleasant Truths” booth has nobody in line to see him, while the guy at the “Comforting Lies” booth has a huge line and people forking over their money.
Don’t ever feel bad about being the “Unpleasant Truths” guy.
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