I did a MGTOWish thing today….and having some regrets.

[Anonymous 5]

Man I can say I have had similar events take place since I started 1 year ago finding Mgtow. Don’t feel shocked. You had to say that in a sense – you have changed and if your family loves you it won’t matter. I mean this post in the positive manner because it strikes me you did the right thing. We all find this place for a reason. That reason can come out at anytime for better or worse. (as I see it’s usually for the better it dose suck when you can’t help but stick the truth to some def blind f~~~) hey man voted.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Michael wrote:

I do not know your family situation and I won’t pretend to. Just be sure you’re not over exaggerating or allowing MGTOW emotions to get the best of your perspective. Even the Mafia can trust their own family. Tony Soprano never had to watch his back around his own family. You see – even these evil criminals understand the importance of having a “core” that is “good” they can come home to precisely because they CAN’T trust anyone else.

I know what you mean. I also know that having a fall-back place…..a place that will always be familiar to you is so very important. In that regard, I know that I cannot pretend or hold false beliefs that “I’m gonna be just fine without them.” No, I won’t be. I love my family….. even though they can get on my nerves sometimes.. I love them. You can never choose your family. You accept them as they come to you.

On some level, we all love our families… I mean, who doesn’t? We may not like to express it, but we all do. Even keymaster extended his hand to his, even though he left them in not-so-good terms.. and it’s not his fault his sister-in-law…or his own brother did not overlook the past.

In this regard, if your concern is that we men of MGTOW would stop loving our families because of our newfound ’empowerment’, you’re wrong: we won’t. I can say that with complete guarantee.

We will NEVER forsake what’s important in lives…and who could understand the value of a family more than us? The men who were stripped of, or prevented to have, their own families?

It is not empowerment we seek over here, it is survival. We don’t seek to become the best driver or the fastest driver on the road. Rather we seek to understand that you can’t always be carefree and ‘enjoy your ride’, you gotta look out for bumps and obstacles: even though it means sacrificing the fun…just so that you don’t crash and lose it all.

As for me, I can’t say I would sacrifice myself for my family. But that doesn’t mean I will sacrifice my family for my own gains. I would not drown so that they can float, but I would also not let them drown…..if you know what I’m saying.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Anonymous 14]

Hey Varun, you may not know me and I doubt anyone other than some the veterans of this manosphere does either, but I pride myself as one of the first men from India here in these forums. Though now I don’t get enough time to post here as often as I used to back in the days, I still visit time to time, like we used to say back then “Once a MGTOW, always a MGTOW”.

I too have been through the whole process of shaming and manipulation after I stopped accepting the brother-band from my own sister, who is 7 years my senior, about 10 years back. Though I must admit, I was hardly as cordial as you were. Instead I said openly to my sister that love and respect are something that is always mutual and she should never expect to receive some without actually giving some herself and that I refuse to be used as a disposable tool by her and the rest of my family.

What followed was the same old routine of suggestions of counselling by the know-it-all gynocentric relatives of mine, the paragons of the Indian joint family system. I even complied with their request to visit one and they carefully chose a female psychologist. I spend like 45 minutes with her and then later she came out told my family that she saw absolutely nothing wrong with me, on the contrary she said she found me to be one of the sanest people she ever had the chance to psychoanalyse. I’d say it was the result of my immeasurable charm and for the fact that we were of the same age group dare I say, maybe in a perfect world we’d have been seeing each other, not quite professionally? Sigh!

Still my relatives went on insisting that there was something wrong with me so I severed contact with most of them and found that it hardly made any difference in my life and that made me wonder why I even kept in touch with them and tolerated their nonsense for so long.

I see you have taken the more congenial approach but to each his own I suppose. But I would still advise you not to bend to their shaming tactics and demands for reparation. The reason why you apologised is not because of them but the decency in you, the inherent goodness that is in every man, the constant pangs of conscience to seek absolution, catharsis if you will.
But what good are pearls when cast in front of swines who will never ever realise their value?
The moment you give in, they are programmed not to stop, like hivemind zergs until you are left without a backbone, the husk of a man obeying their every command.

But also remember that you as a MGTOW have a responsibility to yourself and the discipline the MGTOW way of life entails. The MGTOW ways is not that of aggression but of assertiveness. Our families are a part of a pre-historic social system known as gynocentrism that treats women as goddesses and men as mindless acolytes, kept alive only to serve. Most of them lack the power of critical thinking to reject this archaic arrangement and will even fight for it to the point of harming us and themselves. So you must take care not to treat them like evil but rather as petulant children so instead of aggression or conformity try some emphatic and witty repartee. That’s what I do and it has never failed me. You’ve broken off you shackles, now stand strong with a smile. Peace.

Now forgive me for hijacking this part of the post to send a few SHOUTOUTS!

First one to the one and only KEYMASTER: Love what you’ve done to this place. Used to be a small pub with a few guys chilling out with their beer..now its a mansion! HATS OFF!!

To the old crew if they’re still here- CPig, Ned, MGTower, Brain, Roydal, Hollow..and to the rest whose handles I might have forgotten but the personalities I haven’t. HOLA AMIGOS!!

It’s good to be back, albeit for a short while. Cheers everyone!

LONG LIVE THE PATRIARCHY! MGTOW FOREVER!

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Thank you Mr. Triklops. Pleasure to know you. I know it is hard to stick around in a forum that is predominated by western folks….most of these good folks don’t understand our way of saying things and many hold contempt. But that’s not gonna stop me from being someplace I need to be.

Thank you for sharing your story. I am at much peace now.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

Varun wrote:

most of these good folks don’t understand our way of saying things and many hold contempt

Most men have got here not being happy being forced to fight to be what and who makes YOU happy.I have found the ones telling me what to do are not happy and not practicing what they preach.Happy and being who you are is not easy.Life is a one act play.Most cultures moved to the west as old culture was not making it.Western society is the freest but some want to cling to chains of past.
Hell maybe I ‘ll try your culture.Move to Bhuntar.Get local chick .Eat Indian food hand rubbing and making Charas

[Anonymous 14]

Varun wrote:

Thank you Mr. Triklops. Pleasure to know you. I know it is hard to stick around in a forum that is predominated by western folks….most of these good folks don’t understand our way of saying things and many hold contempt. But that’s not gonna stop me from being someplace I need to be.

Thank you for sharing your story. I am at much peace now.

You totally misunderstood me there fella, I never said I quit these forums due to some clash of cultures issue or something s~~~ that. I just don’t get time enough to be a regular here anymore due to work pressure. In my experience, its the SJWs and the politically correct and feminists who are the most intolerant ones on the internet. On the contrary some of those MGTOW.com veterans whom I send a shoutout to in my last post are the ones who made me feel like this place was a home away from home.

Sometime back I had a little breakdown due to some personal female related issue and being unable to share it with anybody worthwhile in real life I almost took the decision to drink myself to oblivion. Then I made a post(a really awful one at that :P) here and these guys helped me back on my feet, for which I’m still grateful. You see, I always wanted a brother but life gave me a sister instead, a bitchy older sister who loved to act as if she was my mother. The way these guys helped me out I consider them my brothers, as every MGTOW should. So you see, I have no problems with anyone here, even the ones with apathy for my tribe. I rather like to focus on the things we have in common, and so should you.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

shovelheadrider wrote:

Most men have got here not being happy being forced to fight to be what and who makes YOU happy.I have found the ones telling me what to do are not happy and not practicing what they preach.Happy and being who you are is not easy.Life is a one act play.Most cultures moved to the west as old culture was not making it.Western society is the freest but some want to cling to chains of past.
Hell maybe I ‘ll try your culture.Move to Bhuntar.Get local chick .Eat Indian food hand rubbing and making Charas

I am sorry for sounding offensive. I do not mean that all of you are like that. In fact, there are hardly any these days.

But I remember when I first came here I was ridiculed a lot because I did not have the right way with words. That is all in the past now.
There were even a few Indian dudes here, who all left because of the free speech hazard (I know I had a tough time too, but it was worth it) and they expressed contempt over this place. It is for them that I spoke.

Other than that, there is a whole bunch of good men over here. Almost all the regular members are amazing folks who respect everyone and display a sense of charisma, including you. I am much honored by members who vouched me for member of the month: Jan, Stealthy and the others. And not to mention, the legendary Keymaster with his astounding professionalism. Well, whatever our differences are, I believe in time we can settle them.

Also, I know its not my right to ask you to police your speech, and you don’t need to heed my words, but it would be so much better if you all could cushion your criticism towards new members for what they say out of ignorace or delinquency…. if doing so does not hijack your sense of sovereignty.

@Triklops

Anonymous wrote:

The way these guys helped me out I consider them my brothers, as every MGTOW should. So you see, I have no problems with anyone here, even the ones with apathy for my tribe. I rather like to focus on the things we have in common, and so should you.

I know. I will. Thank you.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

Happiness and to be who makes you happy is tough. Expecting others to cosign your happiness is hard to achieve. I may be a little touchy as seems like it is in style to blame western culture.Ever time I turn on TV western culture is what is wrong with world now days for everything.Black women bagging on women
wearing corn rows. While they spend rent money straight hair from women from India.Hair is more expensive that gold.
About culture appropriation. I will stop taking something from another culture that I think it is something I want to embrace if they want to stop playing Basket ball,base ball etc. Stop riding in cars,flying in airplanes,polio shots etc.that is western.
Be who you want to be to be happy.No one is better at being you in the world. I am not telling you what you as I respect your happiness and I do not have a clue on what you should do.That is your choice.

[sonofthedestroyerParticipant 318]

I am of also of South Asian background
My family is full of man hating feminists and you are right that our perspectives and situations are a bit different to western men. Its much harder for us to cut off our families. So the key is to find the right balance with them.
For example, my family is well aware of my no nonsense attitude towards misandry and feminism. So they know from experience not to start that crap in front of me as i will put them all in their place. And they cant blame me for ‘spoiling relations’ as it was they who started it. I am not too nasty when i put my foot down. Just hard enough so they get the message that i am not a tool.
I can say that marriage in the Indian subcontinent is not as bad as it is in the west. But it is rapidly catching up as the region is being poisoned by feminism. MGTOW is becoming something of global significance as a result of feminism.

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