Hesitant MGTOW

[MuglintarParticipant 1333]

Welcome. There are a few flaws in your logic, but it takes quite some wisdom to recognize to err and to ask for advise.

“Man have an urge to provide” – Nope, every animal, including humans, is driven by two basic instincts: 1. The need of own existance preservation. That is when you feel thirst, hunger, cold, your very basic instinct kicks in and you make it your priority to end the discomfort.
2 the need of preservation of the species. This one is what troubles you right now. Women’s entitlement directly results from this. Women could decide, whether they would carry on your genes or the ones of some other guy. They could also have tried to survive on their own, but it doesn’t take a Genius to figure out when what you have to offer is wanted, put a price on it. So Nature itself entitled women by making them desireable for their reproductivity is very limitted, while any man could reproduce the complete world population easily.

Out of their natural ability, they could put a price tag on their pussy and make “society” and the rules which we live after today, are ultimately result of this, too.

Your “urge” to become a provider (careful, young one, you’re heading for a “white knight”) is result of indoctrination by “culture” aka Disney Movies.
You will need to think caveman style, because back then s~~~ started. Caveman tought was rather easy, it was always the six “F” – when recognising anythig: – Friend /Foe/Food?- fight? -flee? -f~~~?
These days, there was no seventh F (feed). So the need to provide is NOT hardwired into you. But since women are weaker in every sense especially when pregnant or right after giving birth, it was a matter of survival for them, to make men provide for them. The ones that carried the genes not to attract a man, not hiding their productivity circle, and also for not being able to persuade men of their “responsibility” for providing – those were the ones which extinguished. Charles Darwin (a man of course) discovered the “survival of the fittest” – not only the strongest survie, but rather those who can adopt best to the given circumstances.

Educate yourself about women motivation, when you know women motivation a whole lot of their action actually make a whole more sense. That is the Red Pill. With this fresh aquired knowledge, you might even want to practice some PuA techniques. (become sperm donor and get a vasectomy first). But be warned, once you discover how hardwired stupid women are, they loose rapidly in their attraction value. I’m old, fat and bald, the last thing i f~~~ed was a 9 years younger, highly educated and really attractive businesswoman, who is in fact superior of one of my peers in a different country. I don’t even have really mad game skills. But was nice until I dumped her after a little over a week. So yes, you can f~~~ occasionally, but you will very soon find, pussy isn’t worth the hassle.
One Tip, which really worked for me quite good: be nice but firm and stick with the wisdom aquired in the manosphere. There is nothing that I know of, that makes women more thinking about you, than when they know they can’t get hold of your wallet. They actually do believe the 50 Shades of Grey / Pretty Woman / Titanic / little mermaid – crap they have feasted on for decades. Each woman is entitled to all resources of any man in this world. Have fun in exploring that, but soon you’ll find women are parasites that should be (and will soon be) made obsolete and then eradicated like any other pest.

"Him, who delights in solitude, is either a wild beast or a GOD!" - Aristotle (Aristot. Pol. 1.1253a) 1 Hom. Il. 9.63; the passage goes on: ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ι ὃς πολέμου ἔραται.

[,Participant 1301]

And Welcome here.
i’ll add, viyz, life and coping is hard no matter the road you travel. you can plan and second guess yourself to immobilization.

not advising, you see.

If you eat haggis, you have lots over a lot of men. you sell yourself short at first then pine about NOT experiencing the fems~~~.
youth is inexperienced, as it should be.

MGTOW does not dictate a fem-free lifestyle.
MGTOW is really YOU going YOUR own way, whatever that may be. be successful, whatever that may mean.
hesitate to MGTOW is cool.
hesitate to NOT-GYOW is living life as an observer or a floater.

does it take a femraping to GYOW, nope, but it sure empties you out on the MGTOW entrance ramp. Some get right back on the vagyne-o-round, some do not.

you see a motorcycle accident. you may hesitate to ride. yet statistically its a safe way to travel and the Rider is in control of his fate as much as the cager is. Accident rate is fairly consistent and low. the fun and freedom is fantastic.

you see heroin deaths by the hundreds, I mean statistically, its pretty grim and over dose or death is prevalent. The user is not so much in control. Yet, the over dose and death rate continues to climb. continues.

for me,
GYOW is travel with a plan and ATGATT.
MGTOW is accident avoidance.

with joy/without hate

[CataphractParticipant 2656]

Viyzed wrote:

Well it is male nature to want to provide for women.

It is also the male preying mantises nature to offer his head to the female during mating so she can eat it, so following nature isn’t always the smartest thing to do.

Marriage: About as appealing as wood-chipper diving.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

Viyzed wrote:

I never had the courage to even ask a girl out.

You do not ask a girl out. you tell her you are going out and demand that she should join you. If she doesn’t show up, you’re still there having a good time, even if by yourself. Your happiness does not depend on her approval.

[Anonymous 13]

I’m just going to quote my signature because I really do believe contact with ANY woman has nothing left going for it.

“Marriage does not work. It is a lie. It is a scam against men.

Today, all any woman has to do is make an accusation against someone whose name she knows and he is guilty!

Yes, he’s not only guilty but basically he’s TOAST! She doesn’t even have to go to the cops, she only has to make a phone call.

That’s control on the level of ancient fairytales. She only has to make a phone call”

“Women are LETHAL to a mans happiness!” – MG Tower

She only has to make a phone call!

[Anonymous 13]

The aftermath of being arrested on a woman's say so.

[bladeParticipant]

If your hesitant then why didn’t you lurk for a while . Or do you just want to see people try and talk you into been a mgtow . X

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[ViyzedParticipant 24]

blade wrote:

If your hesitant then why didn’t you lurk for a while . Or do you just want to see people try and talk you into been a mgtow . X

I’d like to think it was to do with delaying gratification, which I think in a small way it was. I’ve seen what happens to guys who think solely with their penis: friends who’ve been burned by false allegations mostly.

I don’t really want to just sleep around. I want, (I think), something a lot more traditional. I’m just not sure that’s feasible anymore. I suppose I’ve seen MGTOW as a possible alternative.

I don’t want to have to learn the hard way.

[Anonymous 0]

Viyzed wrote:

For one who’s never suffered the consequences of a feminised society I mean. I can’t say that if I gave up before even trying, that it would wouldn’t be a blight on my character.

I’ve never poured gasoline all over myself and set it on fire. But I’ve heard and read that it’s not a good idea to do that. Just keep reading our stories on this website. You’ll be fine.

[Anonymous 54]

Viyzed wrote:

I don’t want to have to learn the hard way.

3 marrages
3 murder attempts
20 years of alimony.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I have not read anyone else’s replies on this yet.

Viyzed wrote:

If I choose MGTOW, is that not just a sign of poor character:

NO.

It means you’re doing it wrong and probably for the wrong reasons.

GMOW feels right in my bones. On the surface, it wouldn’t even be my first choice because the other side often “sounds good”, and this side is the unpaved road which “looks” rougher, but it has a much better view.

You already said your self-confidence is low. That’s right where “society” wants you. A self-assured man is a threat to them. They hate it. In fact, they prefer to believe this man doesn’t even exist.

I am a man with options – not GMOW out of any self-defeating attitude. My self-confidence is just not in the s~~~ter. I know I can pursue women and have a new girlfriend by the end of next week…. but whenever I did ( because I thought something was missing ) within 2 weeks, I would prefer she was gone. She was not good for my self-confidence. She would prefer I “apologize” for things I would never apologize for. Like not texting back within 5 minutes. Or answering my phone right away.

People who don’t like to live alone don’t prefer their own company.
They don’t LIKE themselves.

Viyzed wrote:

I’m young. Early twenties in fact.

You have TIME to figure yourself out. Some have said it takes a man 1/2 a lifetime to undo a mountain of that s~~~ty / feminist programming.

But even more important than “figuring yourself out”, is the importance of CREATING yourself.

Viyzed wrote:

I never had the courage to even ask a girl out.

It doesn’t REQUIRE “courage”.

In fact, I wouldn’t even “ASK”. You could TELL her you are going out and TELL her she should join you. The whole idea of “asking” a woman out hurts me in my b~~~~. Like I am going to hinge my good time on her “yes” or “no” and ask for her permission to pay attention to her???

• “Is it OK if I call you some time?”
• “Can I take you to dinner some time?”
• “Can I get your number?”
• “Is it OK if I kiss you?”

Ug. It’s pathetic.

Forget about it. You’re young. Early twenties. Too early to have a “girlfriend” anyway. A “girlfriend” is not as important as having FUN.

Viyzed wrote:

I’ve never even had a girlfriend: this is the crux of the issue.

No it’s not. The crux of the issue is something else.
A girlfriend is a side salad. Not the steak. YOU are the steak.

Make it good.

A girlfriend would prefer you to be the man SHE wants.
Thats’ not your responsibility.

Your responsibility is to be the man you always wanted to BE.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[JVBParticipant]

Welcome new brother. You say you are young. That’s good then allow a little time to be your educator. For the next few years don’t seriously date, cohabit, knock up a chick and of course don’t marry. Concentrate on your self confidence,health and finances. While doing this watch the distraction of your friends around you that choose the above. Don’t confuse easy way out with a wise desision. Your future is in your hands. Time will tell so allow a little.

Peace is > piece.

[Back in BlackParticipant 1732]

Viz,

What I am getting from your posts is that it sucks that you can no longer have a “traditional” relationship nowadays as it is way too dangerous. I am quite a bit older than you and have been married/divorced 3 times. I am done with all relationships with females and a part of me really wishes that it were not so. I wish men and women could be in healthy relationships but from what I’ve been through and seen other men go through clearly those days are over.

I really haven’t GMOW as a first option and I love women physically. I kind of mourn the fact that there is zero chance of being in a relationship with a female where I am not in serious danger. It f~~~ing sucks on one hand.

One the other hand, I get to do whatever the f~~~ I want, with whoever I want, whenever I want. The peace of being alone (and being alone is far different than being lonely, as I am never lonely) is priceless. I just woke up after sleeping ten hours. I am drinking my second cup of coffee and planning out the rest of my day. It is peaceful and quiet. No one bitching at me. No mindless, empty chatter. No one planning my day for me, telling me what to do. F~~~ that. As much of a white knight/blue pill dumb ass I was, GMOW is 10,000 times better.

Good luck young man. You are on a journey called life. Read,explore, make up your own mind and have fun!

"Women are directly adapted to act as the nurses and educators of our early childhood, for the simple reason that they themselves are childish, foolish, and short-sighted—in a word, are big children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, who is a man in the strict sense of the word. Consider how a young girl will toy day after day with a child, dance with it and sing to it; and then consider what a man, with the very best intentions in the world, could do in her place.” Quote from Arthur Shopenhauer, 17th century philosopher

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Welcome Viyzed

I think many young men are in your shoes. Remember that 80% of women want the top 20% of men. Well, that’s the bulls~~~ statistic that is thrown around. Reality is that 90% of girls want the top 7% or so or the ONE.

It sounds like you are in the majority male group of young, ugly enough and broke. You see this as a detriment. Most of us see it as you won the lottery.

The only real negative you have going against you is that you haven’t had a male role model.

Anyway, so……young Chad studdly good looking and/or young Chad rich are ill suited for the world they will encounter. Look around, see, wait and it will appear. Wherever you see a gaggle of giggly girls you will find their sucker!

You have time! Even in time an old ugly man can become what you want.

Find your path. Become who you will be. Bitches will be in your future. Guaranteed.

Your mission is to be prepared because right now, today, you are not!

The question of if you should be mgtow and how that relates to your character of who you are is irrelevant.

You making a conscience decision on the right or wrongness of “going mgtow” is equivalent to you making the decision of the right or wrongness of “going to take a p~~~”.

Mgtow has always been here. Mgtow will always exist. It’s like a porcelain urinal. When the day comes that you find yourself ready to throw up, you will find it. The only relevant question to ask is what shape will your body and mind be in when that day comes.

Peace brothers

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings V,

Kindly share more about your interests, hobbies, and plans for your future.

Your Introduction has generated great MGTOW replies!

I suggest that you look up everyone who replied, even me, and check out what they are writing about on this web site. Their profile page has a “Forums” tab which lists their posts/ replies. And there are options to follow MGTOWs you enjoy.

Some MGTOWs rarely post their own topics but their replies are outstanding and it is possible to read them.

As a stubborn Celt in my twenties, I wanted what I wanted and I was hard on anyone who tried to tell me otherwise. Alas, there were numerous elders who tried to warn me, but my head was filed with Blue Pill foolishness.

We share a lot of things in common, some of which I have written about in the Forums.

Hopefully, you can learn from my mistakes and make better choices than me.

The good news is that you found MGTOW!
MGTOW.com is a miracle and there are lots of goodies in the posts and archives. It is a fine “band of brothers.”

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Our Great Enemy wants this web site to die and they want you to be another Blue Pill Slave.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

Everyone pretty much said what needed to be said here the good thing about MGTOW is you get to choose how you want to go your own way. You don’t need to get married and have children and provide a house or money to any woman you are dating. You have been programed to think in a more traditional role but our world has changed too much for you to ever be able to find a traditional woman.

Women today are plugged into the hive of the internet and the smartphone and seek validation from other females and you can’t compete with that. As soon as one woman tells the girlfriend you are with she can do better her hamster wheel will start spinning and it is over for you her hypergamy takes over and she monkey branches to the next guy.

You can still be with a girl just never sign a marriage contract. Always wear a condom or better yet get a vasectomy. If you want children you can go the surrogate route because if you don’t you will be paying child support for 18 years of your life if she decides to leave you and take your child away from you. My advice would be if you do end up going out with a girl and she screws you over which she will you only give her one chance, per lifetime and that goes for any girl that screws you over. Never ever under any circumstances cohabitate with her either if you can avoid it always keep separate residence and try not to ever invite her into your house.

Also don’t ever sleep with a woman that you work with never s~~~ where you eat so to speak it will end up bad for you trust me on this. The great thing about MGTOW is you can take this advice your you can say screw it and put your hand in the fire and get burnt the choice is up to you no one is forcing you to behave a certain way. Learn what you can from us and do with it what you will.

[Anonymous 1]

Keymaster wrote:

People who don’t like to live alone don’t prefer their own company.
They don’t LIKE themselves.

Keymaster, can I use this as my signature?

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