Help! Please answer my questions.

[MendokusaiParticipant 256]

Hello and welcome,may I also congratulate you on finding a womin that CAN actually cook,for your young years you have done well.

Most womin I know I wouldn’t allow near a stove,I’m no Red Seal chef myself but at least I can put together something more than that which requires a can opener or microwave.

People in general will only bully you if YOU let them,once they see you are independent and strong with a mind of your own they WILL leave you alone.

So I don’t know if you truly want to be alone or are still torn to finding that perfect chick.

I would have to say that Western womin in general suck,if you get a FOB African,Asian,Latino & can keep her away from western influences then you may have success,however it may be more beneficial to just start seeing a womin of your desire in her home country like so many of us western guys do-thus little chance for contamination.

 

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

Henry Higgins got it right:

[BlueToRedSpectator 23]

@docfenderson LOL that’s quite funny and depressing to hear… Is there a way to keep the mine in a fashion that it doesn’t explode? cuz I like the mine when it sweet talks me, I like to f~~~ it you know? I can’t become a celebit. Maybe I should find a very traditional christian woman. Or muslim lol.

Also, What do you have to say about the argument given by women and manginas that “everybody has their flaws” or “people are people and people……” and “nobody’s perfect”. “it depends on what you mean by…. … ….” like it depends on what you mean by being a bitch lol.

 

@cap285 I wanna be a part of mainstream society cuz I don’t wanna be left out. Plus the movies, music, video games etc… I don’t want to give up all worldly pleasures… What do you have to say about girls who pay for dates?

[Anonymous 0]

Hi Cap285

No I don’t, but I have to if I want to be a part of mainstream society right?

..this guy is not for real.

CHEERS!!!

[BlueToRedSpectator 23]

@hollowmile yeah? well maybe I sound stupid now, but I’ll do something about it and you can take that to the bank. Care to explain why I sound unreal?

[Anonymous 0]

@bluetored

I didn’t say you sound unreal, I said you are not real.
There was a scene in the first matrix movie, when Morpheus decided to get into the matrix. Morpheus, Trinity and Neo and the other guys drove in a car along the street when Neo said something like this,

 This restaurant over ther, I have been often there, they make a very good…

Here he stops talking, and starts to realize  and the look of Trinity says it all. It is unreal, for someone who took the red pill it is unreal.

…I want to be a part of mainstream Society….

Unreal

[LiveFreeParticipant 172]

@bluetored: Nobody’s advocating that you give up worldly pleasures. You don’t have to give up on movies, music, video games, etc. MGTOW is not about retiring to the woods to lead a secluded life or becoming a hermit in other words (although some MGTOW may consider doing that.) Where did you get that from?

@Hollowmile: Unreal indeed. For a while, I thought he was trolling us. Maybe he just has some misconceptions about the MGTOW lifestyle.

For every man truly going his own way, some woman, somewhere, has to pay her own way through life.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

BluetoRed,
By mainstream, I assume you mean the ‘majority’ of the population. I understand that it’s nice to be part of ‘the herd’. It feels good…like you fit in. I get that. It’s just that there is more than one heard now.

The number of people as a portion of the population who are married is at the lowest point that it has been in about 100 years (somewhere down around 50-55%). It is an internationally recognized trend of mass demographics. The reason is that 20 something year old guys like you are not signing up for the terms of the traditional marriage because it’s a s~~~-deal of them and they aren’t in denial about it anymore. This is the half that cannot be emotionally manipulated into doing it anymore. Just about half of those who are still being manipulated into signing up for it are going to be divorced and financially gutted in a few years. They will wish very much that they had not allowed themselves to be emotionally manipulated and will advise you not to do it as well. Of the other half that remains married, a great many will be unhappy, but will not have the will or ability to escape it. They will also advise you not to do it.

There is no more “mainstream” when it comes to marriage. About half the population are married and half are not. There are now two streams, and no more mainstream. One of the streams is known to suck for men by almost every man who has any experience with it at all. It is heavily mined, and reduces your opportunities to f~~~ down from 3 billion women to just one. And you will only f~~~ that one when you have her permission (the cost of which is guaranteed to increase over time).

The other ‘stream’ still allows you to f~~~ all you want, but is not mined, and does not require permission from anyone.

Which stream do you want to swim in?

To me, it sounds like you are getting emotionally played pretty hard, but you’re getting laid as well. With your 22 year old hormone charged brain, it’s an expensive price to pay for getting laid, but still worth it for the time being.

I’ll advise you to do what you are already going to do anyway, which is keep getting sex from this girl until you can’t stand the emotional bulls~~~ anymore, then get out, if you still can at that point.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[BlueToRedSpectator 23]

LOL @hollowmile I’m used to arguing with women so I assume BS at the drop of a hat.

 

@brainpilot I don’t have a gf atm and just pick up girls in random places like bars. It works well for me. I don’t think I want a gf either… if I do she should only be around for a few months before the bs starts you know? And I’m not getting married anyway, cuz I’m not a douche. But there are other ways to be part of the herd… like the blue pill, which about 70% of men are on imo. Even if they’re not getting married they still have that bs mentality. And I think it could be 99% of men too… soo… yeah feels like s~~~ being an outcast… yet feels so good in this particular case lol.

 

@shashim72 lol, see above

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

You really can’t go your own way and still subscribe to all the ideals and beliefs of the mainstream. The whole point is that most of that crap is specifically designed to control you and turn you into a battery… a tool to produce value for people who are too lazy, stupid or vampiric to produce their own.

That’s why Morpheus holds up the battery to Neo and Switch calls him “copper top”. Once you take the red pill and open your eyes to the truth about the role society has scripted for you, you just can’t read that script any more and you have no choice but to go back to first principles and write your own script.

You ever tried to act in a play where everyone else was reading the same page but you were making up your character and lines as you went along? Can you imagine how the other people would feel about you for doing that?

Re: the mine simile… if you want to prevent a mine from exploding and taking off your leg, don’t plant it and definitely don’t step on it. As a fan of firearms, I can enjoy the power and excitement that comes with firing a handgun while at the same time being acutely aware of and cautious with that handgun’s ability to kill me or someone else if I do not handle it properly. The handgun has no interest in protecting me and it will not discriminate or forgive. If I do not accept it and respect it for what it is, it will just as quickly take my head off as not.

This, to me, is one of the key points of MGTOW… to respect the dangerous truths of life and to wield them with cautious knowledge and experienced wisdom to the greatest extent that I am able, not to wish them to be safe or whine when they are difficult or behave like a victim when one of them goes off in my face.

I am no longer afraid to fire my .50 Desert Eagle because I have fired it enough now to know how to use the right stance, expect it’s report and shockwave and absorb it’s energy properly so that I don’t take a spent casing to the forehead again. I feel exactly the same way about females and about the culture they have created.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@bluetored

There is an very common expression that women love to toss around.
You’ll hear them say it all the time. Even on dating sites, they will write it out:

“(I want) a guy who doesn’t take himself too seriously”.

Great, sweetheart! F~~~ a clown and good luck to you! Because as a MAN, the trick is to take yourself (and the world) VERY seriously. Just don’t take OTHER people too seriously – especially women. You’ll notice the kind of bitch who says that expects to be taken seriously… but she doesn’t want a man take himself too seriously?

I call bulls~~~.

The minute I stopped taking women seriously, everything changed.
Any anger and frustration they caused was reduced by 95% overnight.

Suddenly her disapproval was as worthless as her approval.
(Do you have any idea how powerful that is?)

Think about it. How many times has a woman p~~~ed you off with an insult, when you could have just smiled and carried on. How many times has a woman expected to be taken seriously but you knew it was a manipulation the second she opened her mouth? Women are not be taken seriously. Women are for fun and f~~~ing, and nothing else. If you’re not having fun with her and not f~~~ing her… forget her.

Take yourself and the world seriously.
But never take woman seriously.

I’m telling you this, my young apprentice, because you’re taking women too seriously.
Whatever comes out of her mouth should mean NOTHING to you.

As soon as that happens, the blue-pill / mainstream world becomes tolerable and you don’t have to shun every female that comes near you. Not taking women seriously makes women fun, amusing and entertaining. Just like they don’t take us seriously and all think all men are little f~~~ing stupid tools and play things. They all think we’re Al Bundy and Everybody Loves Raymond. You’re just gonna turn that around now.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

Lots of great points in this thread, and lots of brilliant “purple patches.”  You Wish, BrainPilot and RayBandaku all made the “purple patches” thread from their insightful observations here.

[BlueToRedSpectator 23]

Thanks a lot for those posts! They are good reads and hopefully help me in the future… I want to ask you guys about 2 things:

 

1. What about girls who pay for dates and split bills? Are they dangerous too??

 

2. Do you really believe that women can’t love? Because I’m inclined to believe they can, just not close to the passionate intensity of a man’s love you know?

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

As for a woman who offers to pay her own way on a date… Let her. In my experience, it’s relatively rare, but I’m a different generation than you. Women your age may vary from the ones I’ve experienced. In my experience, the women who’ve done that are trying to 1) demonstrate how empowered they are and that they don’t ‘need’ me. My response to this is “Great, if you don’t need me to open your door, pay your rent, or otherwise sacrifice my interests to serve yours, we’re gonna get along really well…”

2) Trying to signal to me that I should not expect sex since they are paying for their own dinner. My response to this is also, “Great. I am not here for sex, and she is not here for free dinner. She must be here for the benefit of all my wit, charm and personality. I’m good with that cause I got plenty of that s~~~. But in the spirit of fairness and equality, she should be bringing an equal amount of her own wit, charm and personality so that the time we spend is not an unequal exchange…”. If I don’t finish feeling equally amused, charmed and entertained…this won’t be repeated.

3) A female a little on the desperate-for-a-date side. She doesn’t want to be left home alone for another weekend and will pay her own way just to avoid having to go back to work/school on Monday and have nothing to say when her friends talk about their dates.

4) Testing me to see if I’ll actually let her pay. She offers, but still expects me to refuse the offer and pay for both of us. Sadly, in my experience, this is the most common basis of the offer to pay her own way. When she offers to pay her own way and I let her, she’ll later use it to criticize me to her friends for being a cheap skate. By making the offer, she can still feel empowered and demanding of equal respect, but quietly still expect me to pay so she can save a few bucks and still feel that she’s accomplished manipulating me into sacrificing on her behalf. Wether you realize or not, women do brag to their friends about how much they got a guy to spend without giving up sex. They see it as an accomplishment and treat it like a trophy. Of course, trying to get the benefits of the traditional woman’s role (free dinner) while trying to simultaneously get the benefits of being equal (equal respect), without bringing to the table a fair exchange in either case is completely dishonest. But it happens all the time, and is a small example of the much greater hypocrisy that generates so much resentment of the feminist movement. With time and practice, you’ll learn to recognize this, and react accordingly.

When this happens, I let her pay. Because as soon as I get the first impression that a woman is not being honest (for most of them, this comes early), I already know I’m going to bail… No need to pay for dinner for a woman I already know I’m about to abandon. But I have made one exception to this rule just recently.

The last time I was out with a woman who offered to pay her own way, I wasn’t sure if she was sincere. So I said, “I’m ok to pay and be chivalrous like that, but don’t want to take chance on being disrespectful to your equality. I also don’t want to let you pay your own way and offend any expectation of chivalry you might have had. Tell me what’s best for me to do here…”. I was very polite and smiled slightly when I said it. That message is very clear: Chivalry or equal respect, you can’t have both.

She started to stutter and stammer and became uncertain and uncomfortable. I interpreted her difficulty deciding as surprise at the exposure of the hypocrisy of having aimed to get both. An honest person does not need a lot of time to think about their answer to a straightforward question. My goal became to abandon this woman as quickly as I could, but also to make it clean. I said, “I’ll get this one, you think about it and you can get the next one if you decide that’s how you feel”. I never asked her out again, and I didn’t have to worry about her asking me out again, nagging me, stalking me etc (clean). It took months before I heard from her again. It wasn’t the prospect of paying her own way that scared her off, it was the prospect of having to be honest. She waited until she thought enough time had passed that I would forget it was her turn to pay. She’s still waiting… 😛

My response to all these women paying their own way is basically the same as my response the all the rest of them: Be clear about what you are bringing to the table and what you expect from me. I will decide if the overall offer is worth the overall cost…same as any other business deal. Her willingness to pay (sincere or not) will be noted and considered in my accounting of the overall offer. But at the first sign that the offer is not completely honest, or is not an equal exchange, I’m off like a cheap prom dress…

As for wether they can love men. Maybe they can, but if they do, they don’t love us the way we love them. You can’t measure or identify it by their willingness to make sacrifice for our benefit. It just doesn’t happen that way. Though I don’t have kids and can’t speak from experience, I have seen other posters write that they can love their children this way, and would not disagree. Some women seem to make sacrifices on instinct for the benefit of their children, but not men.

My request of you is that on the next offer you have from a woman who offers to pay her own way, is that you make that same straightforward request that she choose between equality and chivalry and see how she responds. I’ve only done this once, and was disappointed with the result. But I’d be interested to see what the response from your generation of women is.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Cap285Participant 6007]

1. What about girls who pay for dates and split bills? Are they dangerous too??

They’re all dangerous.

2. Do you really believe that women can’t love? Because I’m inclined to believe they can, just not close to the passionate intensity of a man’s love you know?

Women are incapable of loving anyone but themselves, money and their iPhone.

Fuck this planet.

[RayBandakuParticipant 888]

To BlueToRed, I will be as honest here as possible.  Based on  your reactions to the advice we have all given you, it looks like you have made up your mind to “TRY TO FIT IN WITH MAIN STREAM SOCIETY” even though it’s no longer main stream.

It’s ok if you choose this route, you will just learn the hard way like I did.  We will be here to support you after you go though your own experiences.  Best lessons for some people is the hard way(including myself).

Now I am ready to learn from other peoples experiences, I am no longer willing to lose my life savings, time, energy, peace of mind over a divorce or a woman any more.  I wish you good luck with your adventure with so called main stream women dominated world.  Best wishes to you.

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