Hello Gentlemen

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Here is a link that is an attempt to discuss woman’s Narcissism which is now unhampered. Your feedback there is appreciated:

/forums/topic/an-honest-love-letter/

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…..the Anglosphere …… in the C17th! Then we fought a civil war…….

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……..the devaluation of manhood.

Here is song from that English Civil War which applies today from the perspective of the return of masculinity to Western Civilization:

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[Anonymous 3]

You appear to have an answer for everything. No doubt you are an intelligent man
Intelligence, however, is not a measure of moral rectitude.
Fathering children for the sake of fathering children is not dignified, noble or gentlemanly. In fact, its animalistic.
No doubt you are a superior Alpha male. Thank you for letting us know & Good luck with all that

[Gravel PitParticipant]

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a cat goes where she is fed

Enjoyed reading your posts. Welcome.

I like Messenger Rising a lot. Even though I’m Texan and have never been married and I don’t have kids….his videos are half the damn reason I don’t have to face the same pain he has. I learned from him and Stardusk so I didn’t have to hurt.

The hurting I had from women is bad enough, I don’t need to know how much worse it can get. Maybe one day you’ll be in a better situation to go full blown sovereign. 🙂

[Branched offParticipant 10967]

Hi Manipulated man,
Love the song. Yes, if you will allow me a historical metaphor, the king will come home in peace again because they will invite him back when they are tired of Queen Dick’s inability to govern, when they fear the collapse of the realm they have usurped, then they will again feel the need of the king.

But for now we need to whisper quietly in the dark corners of inns for the puritans are all about to police our thoughts. I fear it may be generations yet before the king is invited back to govern again … We keep the fire burning and we do our best to live as well as we can under the tyranny.

I like your love letter. These are the drivers of the phenomenon we call love in a woman’s heart. These things and genetic quality and compatibility are all see seeks in a mate. She probably does not even fully understand all these things herself but these are of course the drivers. When we start to consider ourselves as creatures, then the obvious suddenly becomes apparent. We are not semi divine. We are a species of monkey. Females of this species put years into raising offspring and they need to secure resources. Its an inbuilt instinct.

Now just as there are many men who believe the blue pill world there are also many women who have not actually awakened to their true nature. To a degree (while being awesomely manipulative of course) they will actually believe it is all about love and best friends… This does not make these ladies any less dangerous, probably actually they are more dangerous because they do not even know the cards they are playing with.

Hi Jonny Zero,
I am sorry if I have come over as having an answer to everything. That is not how the new boy should present himself. I am an introvert and I think about everything. This means that I have a theory on most things. Its not necessarily the answer.

I have lived long enough to know that some of my theories are probably right, some have been proved very wrong (and therefore ditched) and many are still uncertain. I will however put them out there as one does not learn without debate and one gains little without engaging with life and backing oneself. (What’s the worst that that can happen in a polite and respectful exchange of views between gentlemen?).

I am not an alpha male. Alpha male is one success strategy for males. It requires a certain skill and talent set and it requires a lot of energy that does not always get used productively. I don’t have this skill set. I will not knock Alphas. They are doing their thing and I will leave them to it. I do not however care to submit to them. Support a good alpha yes, submit -no chance in that case this dog goes his own way.

My success strategy is more subtle. I can’t compete with an alpha. I watch and learn. Status interests me less than self improvement. I value those close to me and I try to make the right moves at the right time. If you like, I do not drive the game out of the wood and pursue it with my great strength. I let it come to me.

As to being animalistic -yes that one you can level at me. I do believe we are all men and monkeys at the same time. Gentlemanly behaviour is valuable in the interactions of our species (it is natural manly behaviour)but never let gentlemanly become white knight -“Oh you are a bad specimen of a man to father a child and then not become the mother’s mule”. In the end reproduction is the reason we are all here -because our ancestors won natural selection for us. I try to be a gentleman. I am a man first, with a reproductive drive. In other times I might have reproduced differently but in this time, when men are oppressed they may have to get a little creative to succeed.

I don’t want to lay open my life in detail but I am not an irresponsible father. This is one aspect of my life and the one that has attracted the most attention since my arrival here but it isn’t the biggest part. I don’t have countless children with countless women (I can still count them on both hands) and I have not run about aiming just to impregnate women and run off. I am not a PUA and I am not a knock up artist either. It just happens that life has gone that way for me, women have wanted my children and I have embraced the destiny not refused it.

However we must all accept criticism and this is an aspect of my life where I am not going to please all. I will not say your criticism is entirely unfounded.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[King SolomanParticipant 64]

Agreed, most conflicts and disputes come down to resources and relationships are no different.

On the matter of fathering children I was ambivalent. The big tick in the no box was the work/life balance required to provide the opportunities necessary for them to compete in this increasingly competitive and resource depleted globalised economy.

The prospect of childcare and teachers spending more time instilling their values than my own wasn’t a trade I was willing to make.

Whilst cutting back on material stuff in favour of time, would have been no issue for me. It’s likely cupcake and junior would have protested. Which loops back to my opening remark on resources.

So my ‘internal resource algorithm’ has looked at the cost of each path and calculated a logical route forward. Regardless of how different each of our paths are, they will ultimately converge at the same endpoint. Our only job is to consciously navigate and arrive there on our own terms.

Learning by others past mistakes doesn't make me better than them but grateful for their sacrifice

[Branched offParticipant 10967]

Hi King Soloman,
I like your “Most disputes come down to resources…” This is very true. If only people would see war and relationship conflict in this context more it would allow better decisions to be taken over these things.

Yeah we all get to death in the end and it is good to have lived a well reasoned life in which one has made one’s own choices first.

Manipulated man -I have been thinking a lot on your piece of music today. I guess you are used to posing new boys good questions.

The English civil war set the tone for much in the Anglo-sphere. I think that it has actually influenced feminism (by accident!) I would be intrigued to explore this further. I am not a historian so I am open to correction but the English civil war, Cromwell, Tumble Down Dick and the restoration of the monarchy established a core English principle or at least set that principle in stone -A king does not rule by divine right but by consent of the people. I think the Anglosphere has more or less played by these rules ever since.

Slavery had to go as it robs the slave of consent, the empire had to go, albeit reluctantly in some cases, because the subjects no longer consented to be ruled and women were emancipated because they no longer consented to submit and educated intelligent men who should have been wiser just felt it would be indecent not to give them freedoms that they could never earn through the undertaking of the necessary responsibilities. Now if you talk to men from other cultures about women they will sometimes say “make her obey you. You are the man, it is your right, use force if you need”. The Anglosphere stops short of this, in fact resists this strongly. It goes against something inside us. We dominated the world and we gave them this principle.

So how are men to regain their sovereignty if we do not wish to use force? It is a very good question. The king did not return just because he had the right to be king, he returned because people saw a point of weakness with the removal of Tumble down Dick and agitated, plotted and did deals for his return, people convinced others of the king’s greater value to the nation than their supposed “freedom”.

Perhaps men will just have to wait until weak feminised men and women who are out of their depth screw this culture over and then real men walk back into control? (dangerous because the real men will probably come from outside this culture -just look at the fall of Rome) But perhaps men need to spot weaknesses in the tyranny and take a stance without violence but with every other means at their disposal to undo the way the market is rigged against their being a useful valued resource -for that is why they are not valued and why women do not willingly submit to them for long/ at all these days.

Anyway your question in a song got me thinking.

Cheers.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

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The English civil war set the tone for much in the Anglo-sphere. I think that it has actually influenced feminism (by accident!)

Last Spring, one of our MGTOW brothers wrote a very interesting historical fact on this topic.
Alas, it is buried in someone’s Introduction and I can’t remember who wrote it.
He claimed that the beginning of the end of the Family started with some law that was passed in the Anglosphere.

I could be mistaken about the birth of that law, it may have been put into effect sometime around the American Civil War.

It was definitely around the same time as all that early Feminism gibberish.

Before the passing of that first diabolical law, a man got to keep HIS property and HIS children after a divorce.
A woman in that distant past was relatively free to divorce at any time, but she was not allowed to use HIS children as hostages to extract resources from the Father, like today.
And there was none of that alimony nonsense.

If she wanted to indulge her Hypergamous Nature, then she had to find some other fool to take care of her and then walk away from the children.

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……….and then real men walk back into control?

Using the words “Real Men” on this web site will get you into hot water. In our defense, most of us are Freed Blue Pill Slaves and those words were too often used on the Plantation to manipulate men into giving up our sovereignty.

It is better to describe the Ideal Man as “someone our grandfather’s would respect.”
I have been using the term “Masculine Man” so far without any issues.

Here is a Post that discusses the need for a warning sign about Blue Pill “baggage” for newcomers to this web site:

/forums/topic/list-of-unacceptable-blue-pill-baggage/

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………..weak feminised men and women who are out of their depth……..

Becoming the kind of man that my grandfather would be proud of has taken a life time of hard work. But, these days it is nearly impossible.

We are made to feel like it is individual choices or weakness. But, there is something more malicious going on. Our Grandfathers were not subjected to the amount of vile fifth we are exposed to these days.
The Gynocracy has legions of methods to emasculate men and keep us on the Plantation.

Here is a Post that discusses one of tools used to enslave men and the path to Personal Power/ sovereignty:

/forums/topic/the-power-of-celibacy/

Alas, most of the tools used to enslave men were created by us. The Gynocracy has taken advantage of our kindness and exploited our good intentions.

Here is a Post that was written a year ago that discusses how to overcome some of the malevolent tools that our Great Enemy uses against us:

/forums/topic/inexpesive-cancer-cures-and-other-miracle-cures-verses-the-golden-goose/

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

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……if you talk to men from other cultures about women they will sometimes say “make her obey you. You are the man, it is your right, use force if you need”….

A lot of those guys are Blue Pill Slaves.
What they are suggesting is really the other side of the same coin (giving women our time and attention).

On a side note, Gynocentric propaganda has led us to believe that the person who earns the money has the power.
The truth is that the person who SPENDS the money has the power, and the earner is just a slave.

The following great Introduction was made by a man from Saudi Arabia who exposes what is really going on with their women:

/forums/topic/snoonz-the-arab-mgtow/

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[Branched offParticipant 10967]

Thanks Manipulated Man for the links. Here are my thoughts.

Blue pill language -I will try to learn the correct language not to cause upset by the innocent use of Blue pill trigger words.

Celibacy -I have had quite some experience with this in my youth. Back then I whole heartedly believed not ejaculating at all could make me more of the manlier man I wanted to be. I can remember being utterly tortured sometimes by a desire to masturbate and holding out against it even though it stopped me sleeping in the worst cases. I know I went for many months sometimes without a lapse.

I am not sure how much was an actual physiological change and how much was just that I was committed psychologically and had the belief in having a secret key to being stronger but it did help me.

I know well how when you start to fall under a woman’s spell the big sex sessions that seem to follow at that phase of a relationship can leave you simply wasted and a shadow of yourself. You have put all your vital energy into your semen and given it to her. I am not sure, however, that total life long celibacy is ideal -you are given that tool to use not only as a thing to test your power of restraint. Its a bit like a rifle -don’t point it all over the place like a silly boy but do use it at the right time. Don’t point it at anything you would not be happy to shoot, don’t wear the barrel out shooting tin cans to impress your mates but learn how to use the thing properly, and when good meat comes along take it cleanly.

I think it does a man good to not drain himself, it is good to practise not ejaculating sometimes, sometimes even for months, especially as we age and our powers of healing dwindle. Then we had better save our energy for ourselves sometimes. The apparatus all still works just fine when you come to put it into a woman again. You probably appreciate the treat you are giving yourself more and have a bit of extra passion for sex too.

It is also good to forgive yourself the odd lapse. Perhaps if you masturbate or have sex to sleep when you are afraid of a hard or dangerous day looming on the morrow and you can’t fix your head otherwise. Yes ideally you would face the day without having ejaculated but if you do not sleep right you will be even worse.

It is good to go with healthy desire sometimes too if a woman worthy of your seed comes along. Yes falling for a woman is just a biochemical thing and does make you vulnerable to manipulation unless you sail dangerous waters wisely but it is put there by nature for a reason -to procreate-and it is a rare man for whom it is best to always ignore the calling of his nature.

It is a mark of a man who has come into his full manhood that he has self control and a man who lacks self control will always be falling short as a man no matter how manly he may be in other ways but there is a time and a place for all things.

To control and wisely direct his natural desires should be the aim of most men not to conquer or eradicate them. This is something that we who have been raised Christians often struggle with as we were taught as boys that desire was a temptation to vice and that the men god loved best crushed desire utterly. It is a rare man who is born to be a good monk. Though such a man should be admired and can do good service to his fellows by gaining wisdom and inspiring them to try harder.

Should a man emulate St Benedict and jump into a bed of nettles when he gets a hard on? or should he be a soft hippy liberal type and say “Sex is great, have lots of sex with anyone you like just so long as there is love and a condom between you”? I would say neither approach is healthy for a manly man!

A man benefits from stressing his body to the right degree by changing the circumstances from time to time. Just trying to keep constantly maximally energised is not as ideal as challenging the body from time to time. So if you fall for a woman and must have her often, to the point of exhausting yourself then it is only a temporary state brought on by your healthy nature. It will leave you exhausted and injury prone (I have a chronic work injury now that I suspect was gained from being run down due to an affair with a woman that ended two months ago -my first serious foray into sex for 3 years). However you will then regain your head and start being abstemious again and the depletion of your body’s stores, followed by their replenishment with fresh material may be better for you in the long term than keeping the stores full of stale things.

Nutrition and wild food -yes there is much good here, particularly in just eating as wide a variety of wild things as one can and taking joy and satisfaction in their finding. I won’t reveal too much of my personal circumstances here but healthy nutrition is a thing in my family and while the gods have been kind enough to spare me cancer so far, I have lost relatives and a woman to it in the past. You have to give yourself the best ammunition you can in a fight -it just could tip the scales if it was a close run thing and wild food is the best ammunition I can think of. The simple joy of finding it and bringing it home is itself healthy natural and quite healing s it taps into something primal and vital.

Arabs and their women -yes I have spent some time with Arabs in my life and eaten sat on their floors with them while their wives and daughters cook and eat in another room. Their women are princesses. I hope their god will save our Arab brothers from their women if they ever get feminism really going there. The big problem is that by the rules of Islam some man has to provide for every Islamic woman all through her life. She does not have to accept the support but she does have to be offered it (and how many women will refuse free money??) So say there is a guy with two unmarried sisters whose dad dies, he will end up obliged to offer to pay for every need of his mum, his sisters and his wife and children, even though those women could all be successful doctors or lawyers and earning more than he.

Its all ok while the women are obedient, will tolerate a man having more than one wife, will each raise several children, save their charms for their men alone and give themselves to their husbands whenever asked to -even if they are in the middle of baking as their prophet told them to. But can you imagine how they would exploit men if let off their duty side of the deal??!!

Most muslims are pretty devout (at least compared to most Christians) and it is hard for them to walk away from financial obligations like this. These women already have all they want and know they need never work, so how likely are they, knowing the nature of women, to want to pull their weight?

Yes you are very right it is not the earner who has power, it is the one who receives the benefit of the spending. Financial feudalism looms over “freeborn” men today and women will be right behind it as the big nanny state takes the money from the male drones who must work till they are burnt out and re-distributes it to the idle females whom it judges as “needy” even though these days when life is easier than ever and house work is trivial, most modern women fail to even fulfil their obligation to the human race of producing at least two children to replace them when they are gone -they really are wasted bodies.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

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