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Hello Gentlemen,
I have been excited and delighted by some of the content in the manosphere. There are others who are saying the truths I have been mocked for telling! Its very self affirming.So how shall I end a long time lurking on your excellent site? I do to some extent fear to put myself out there. Anyone can read this stuff but I appreciate that it is a rite of passage on this site so here goes.
I have spent time as a celibate and benefited from it. I began by spending over a decade of my sexual maturity as a celibate virgin. This really let me develop my mind and spend a lot of time in following hobbies and personal ambitions.
The desire to reproduce and to enjoy the warmth of female company led me to end my celibate time. Sadly while I had learned much in being celibate I had learned absolutely nothing about the nature of women (why would a sane man waste his time learning about how women think unless he needed to deal with women). I ended up with one child and I am pretty sure I was cuckolded and the another child for whom I have paid maintenance post divorce was not mine.
Following that I had the good fortune to have my heart broken by a very beautiful woman who through her relationship to me taught me all I needed to know about hypergamy. The anger of this led me to re-think my world view. I took that bitter bitter red pill and a few years of re-adjustment followed.
Following that I have played hypergamy at its own game. I have never married while I have fathered children with a number of women. You can pick up some genetic bargains as an intelligent successful woman who has made the dumb choices that are regarded as clever in this feminist world hits the wall. She sometimes suddenly wants to reproduce with a quality man but can’t get one to marry her. Don’t marry her (obviously), don’t live with her (live with a more accommodating and more appreciative woman), don’t keep a relationship up with her as friends with benefits (because you will only lose in this arrangement as you pay for sex with her with your time and money that could be spent on a more gratifying younger woman) but if you like you can give her one child of yours to invest her remaining energy, her money and her life experience into). I have only bought shared property 50:50 with women. I have paid no woman’s debts. I keep my finances to myself. I run my own company and pay myself peanuts so that I have no income worth taking.
I hope I will not be too heavily criticised for liking to reproduce or liking my washing done, my food on the table and the good things that female company and love can bring. I see nature as being a contest for the survival of our genes and I want to reproduce and I like to use my time for stuff other than housework. I don’t see this as unhealthy for a man or for humanity.
I do, however, think that reproduction and relationships with women are dangerous for men these days and men do need to learn to protect themselves and that if you are not interested in reproduction it is best not to mess with women except perhaps the trashier types for brief gratification only if you have an itch that you simply must scratch. Also I feel PUAs are wasting their energies on stroking their egos when they should be either reproducing, earning or learning.
That’s where I am coming from guys. I wonder how much fire I will attract for putting my head above the parapet? I may not end up saying much but I hope to enjoy your company on this excellent site.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
welcome, i’m glad you found the path to freedom. Nice profile name and pic.
Branching off into a peaceful life!
MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
Anonymous6Welcome sir.
Welcome. Look forward to reading a bit more from you.
"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.
Welcome, Branched.
When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
You have more courage then I do. There is no way in hell I’d co-habitate with a woman.
As for the fathering and reproduction thing, I guess, to each his own. After a few years as a monk, aged 27-31 as a mghow, I lost the desire to be a father. There just isn’t a way to do it without being in the servitude of a woman. I won’t make the trade.
I look at my father, tired and 60, worked his whole life providing. And he is nagged and taken advantage of by my mother. I would never tolerate even the slightest amount of verbal nagging or any woman taking a negative tone with me. I wont have it.
Cooking and social warmth? Forget about it. I cook and clean my own stuff. I have a lot of time on my hands even with doing everything myself. Women think laundry, cooking and dishes are grounds to act like a bit&*CH. Again, I wont deal with women….Briffaults Law.
You sound like more of an MensRightsActivist traditional conservative to me. My heart goes out to you brother/sir. Good luck.
Greetings BO,
Appreciate your Introduction.
However, you are threading on thin ice here by writing about your virtual “accomplishments” with women. I made a similar mistake last year in the Forums:
/forums/topic/having-a-stable-of-women/
The following quote sums up my experience with women:
…….All sounds a bit too much like hard work though doesn’t it? It seems you have to implement a psyops programme and run daily game, just to hold a modern relationship together…
A good Introduction includes descriptions of Red Pills, lessons learned, and something about your actions as a free men. The goal is for the newcomer to establish his Bonafides as a free man, MGTOW.
Many thanks for your Red Pill descriptions and for your Lessons learned. It is an excellent read.
Without giving away specifics where others can identify you, kindly provide some Bonafides like what you are doing with YOUR freedom such as:
Work and living situation?
Education/ Trainning?
Hobbies?
What kind of fun things do YOU do?
Any future projects/ goals?
What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?
I hope I will not be too heavily criticised for liking to reproduce or liking my washing done, my food on the table and the good things that female company and love can bring.
Welcome. Glad you’re here. I won’t criticize, but I’ll say exactly what you probably already expected someone to say. You’re playing with fire here. I don’t know how laws in the UK compare to those in the US, but my impression is that they’re not much better.
If you live with a woman, and she decides to claim you abused her, you’ll be kicked out of your own house. It’s happened to more than one member on this forum. As for reproduction, I understand the urge, but that’s full of risks as well.
Play safely.
Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.
Welcome BO, but I have to ask what planet your from.
Having a female so she can do the Clothes, cook dinner on the table, etc? This aint leave it to beaver times brother.
Good luck, but shows some big stones to write that s~~~
skip the cavernous vag and go your own way
Great intro BO. You’re amongst friends. Look forward to hearing more from ya bro. Cheers.
Peace is > piece.
Welcome
I hope I will not be too heavily criticised for liking to reproduce or liking my washing done,
It’s all good unless they decide they want back child support.
If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
Anonymous42Women? Kids? Dinner on the table? Washed laundry?
You’re talking martian to me!
¿No entiendo amigo?
welcome!
Welcome brother!
"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."
Welcome to the dark side of the force.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
Branched off you seem to be well aware what the atmosphere of mgtow.com is all about! The question is why not continue lurking? On here one can rarely have their cake and eat it too! Usually we see tunas showing up trying to get it both ways.
I hope I will not be too heavily criticised for liking to reproduce or liking my washing done, my food on the table and the good things that female company and love can bring. I see nature as being a contest for the survival of our genes and I want to reproduce and I like to use my time for stuff other than housework. I don’t see this as unhealthy for a man or for humanity.
That’s where I am coming from guys. I wonder how much fire I will attract
You must own a better Crystal ball than IThank you Gentlemen for your replies and for the warmth of your greetings. I felt I got off quite likely there!
When it comes to giving bonafides without revealing specifics it quite hard as I have lived a fairly non mainstream life, so I am quite easy to identify to those who know me.
Education -I actually had the good fortune to have quite a bit of money wasted on my education. One of the benefits of my early monkish life was that I was able to get good grades when I decided to as I had the energy to really study and the time to follow an interest. I had an old fashioned English education and if quizzed on that sort of thing by a peer I can probably be verified.
Career was a bit of a problem at first as I was more interested in my hobbies and in achieving success in them. (I would really advise a young man against such directionless folly, you need to make yourself a valuable person as soon as you can). Following the break down of blue pill world and the rage against hypergamy I decided to get my self together more. I started my business. It happens that my business needs no academic qualifications. It is one of those businesses where only men work (or at least I don’t want to meet any of the women that I sometimes occasionally hear work in the industry). It is as you will have guessed hard dangerous and dirty. I was raised to be a gentleman but I am now poor and hard working under the skies. I am successful in my field but it is not a field that many a gentleman would have too much respect for and a lady would look down on.
Hobbies and fun will be a big give away so I will say only hunting deer -quiz me on that and I can be verified but please remember I do not know all about Whitetails and Mule deer, American hunting seasons and such as I am English and have yet to have the good fortune to carry a rifle in the wonderful wide open spaces of North America -it is a great ambition though.
One future goal is to put my talk more and share more about MGTOW/ MRA. I do feel the currents of history shifting and one either gets with the solution or one is part of the problem.
Am I MGTOW or MRA old fashioned conservative? was one question. Its a fair question. Perhaps few of us fit perfectly into a box. I am quite conservative but I also know that one can’t be forever the reactionary standing firm against the liberal tide that will sell out our culture that our ancestors strove to raise up. One has to also be forward thinking and modern and provide the solution.
MGTOW do see the truth of the world as it is today. What you do with that truth will vary a bit depending on who you are but one should start with the truth and while my conclusion may not be avoid women full stop, it is a very wise answer for some and a very valid solution to today’s problems. I recognise your truths they are the truths I have trumpeted for some years and been mocked for by all my educated liberal friends. I would like to be counted among your number if you will have me.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
……so I am quite easy to identify to those who know me…
Me too.
There are a lot of good things happening for me these days.
For now, I have to avoid being “Doxed.”
……..hunting deer…..
My Mother’s people are Deer Hunters from the forests around Chevy Chase Woods near your part of the world.
I had fresh deer stakes and veggies with my Uncle last time I visited there.
Having a cabin (or trailer) in the woods has always been an important part of my life here in the USA.
…….I felt I got off quite likely there!….
Most of us who participate on this web site are at various stages on the MGTOW Road.
There are some Natural Born MGTOWs that are hard wired to survive “Woman’s Nature.”
Stubborn guys like myself had to learn MGTOW wisdom the hard way.
The following post was created as a warning for newcomers who are still holding onto the numerous forms of Blue Pill Indoctrinations:
/forums/topic/list-of-unacceptable-blue-pill-baggage/
Also, others before you did NOT get off lightly.
The following Introduction has some excellent replies, especially by our Patriarch (starting on page 4), “Keymaster,” who address some of the issues that you brought up in your Introduction. It was eventually sent to the “Litter Box:”
/forums/topic/can-i-be-married-and-mgtow-my-intro/
Anyway, one of my hobbies is playing music and English Country Dancing.
My time in the forests brings it out of me.
Here is a welcome aboard gift. I hope you enjoy the following recording as much as I do. It is one of my favorites from the Anglosphere when it was young and masculine:What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?
Welcome Branched Off. It’s an interesting approach to breeding you’ve got going on. Do you share custody with the baby mama’s?
When paying yourself my suggestion is that you research what is considered reasonable compensation for your industry type.
The current approach could have implications, should the alimony express with a one way ticket to dollarsville ever arrive.
Learning by others past mistakes doesn't make me better than them but grateful for their sacrifice
Thank you Manipulated Man. I have taken a look at the links you sent. I can see that there is no room here for portraying one’s self as a smug and successful patriarch. Fate can soon knock on any man’s door and wipe the smugness off his face, pride comes before a fall and those who trust in women’s loyalty might as well trust in direction of smoke on a mild summer morning or the steadiness of the flowing stream.
I am afraid I don’t know of Chevy Chase, except as an American comic actor but I am also always amazed at how little the native ever knows of his own land. Woods in general are a great favourite of mine. There is so much to see if you only walk slow enough to look, or better still just sit down in the right spot and both inspiration and meat will often come to you for little effort.
Thank you for the music -oh wasn’t the Anglosphere virile in the C17th! Then we fought a civil war where men died for their ideas, put ourselves back together and set on the path to colonise much of the earth with sword and musket. To think then that a king could, with the stroke of a pen, hand over all the land that drained into the Hudson Bay to a single enterprising company! When it comes to thinking of music and the past, I often think how great value must have been set on a man who could make music for his friends and comrades when far from home in some distant corner of a pioneer empire. Or when they were simply bored in the evening in a time without an internet on which to talk to strangers about life the universe and everything. Musicians may have made in big in the C20th but I think they may have been more valued in earlier times.
King Soloman, you make fair observations of the precariousness of my situation. When it comes to precariousness I would observe that natural selection seldom favours the over cautious and sometimes one may crash and burn but that is a risk that a creature accepts if it wants to win natural selection. I might be so bold as to advance a theory that now we are moving from a time of great ease when it was easy to reproduce into a time when the number who will be successful at reproducing will be falling off due to circumstances being harder. In such circumstances it is a very reasonable choice for some men to become monks. There have been many times like this in our past -some men had to get through the ice age, through war, through drought… today the problems at mostly of resource gaining and gynocentric gender bias damaging human reproductive capacity. But in all these cases, fortune usually gives more to the bold than the timid.
I don’t know if there is weakness in paying oneself the usual minimum company director’s salary (less than a cleaner gets). Maybe? But I do notice heaps of single mothers from my country polluting the internet with their moans about their exes who do this and get away with it, so it may have more luck than most strategies. Still no one is invulnerable and loopholes are often closed just as people start to rely on them. Hell if it comes to it I suppose I could just head off abroad but I would be sad to leave for good.
Custody -tricky one. First rule of self preservation in fatherhood -never waste your energy fighting a woman in a court. You will probably loose your case, your wealth and your sanity. It may be an injustice and you may be being treated in a way that is below your dignity as an honourable man and a loving father but just walk brother.
It will tear your heart and the wound will always leave a scar but if a bitch wants to be difficult over access to children then in the end she has the power to win. Just say “the bitch is difficult but I have a life to lead and there will be other bitches. I have the hammer, anvils can be found to make more children on.” That sounds like I am saying have no heart as a father – no I am not but in the end a father is not valued in this culture, he has no rights and a man has to know when to quit cos he is beat. Love your children the best you can but today the best a man can is not always the best that he could be thanks to the devaluation of manhood. In the end your children will grow in wisdom and a bitch will be seen as a bitch.
So custody is a case of “Who can I work with?” Reward those you can work with while accepting that they can turn when you do not expect (women are actually more she cats than bitches, a female dog can be very loyal… a cat goes where she is fed). In the end its mostly a question of “Does this woman think she stands to gain more by working with me or against me” (that is not just financially) So keep an eye on that dynamic as for all the talk in the world of family unity and what is best for the children it usually comes down to this one thing.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
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