Friends Zone = Backup Plan

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Grumpy wrote:

Welcome to my version of the “friendzone” ladies.

These days I actually have fun friend-zoning women as quickly as possible.

“You seem like you would make a really good friend“.

It totally f~~~s with their heads.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 11]

A woman is damn lucky I’d even consider being her “friend”.

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

xenon wrote:

Pretty much what drove me off female “friends” in the first place.

If you’re Going Your Own Way it shouldn’t matter if you have female friends or not. You’re not planning on marrying any of them, are you? Or living with them? Or having kids with them?

See here’s the thing: a blue pill mangina simp gets put into a lot of women’s friend zones.

A MGHOW puts women into his friend zone.

See the difference?

Sometimes it’s a friends with benefits sub-zone, but it’s still inside a friend zone. They are never, ever getting into the girlfriend zone or the wife zone or the baby-momma zone or even the free drinks dinner and a movie zone.

I can’t count the number of times I’ve told a woman something like: “We’re good friends. I don’t want to risk losing that just for sex. Let’s stay friends.”

Usually they bail after hearing that, because women understand all about the friend zone implicitly and so know better than to persist when they aren’t going to get what they want, but even the ones who stay know exactly where they stand. Either way it’s often very amusing to watch the expressions of women who thought they had a man in their friend zone only to find out they are actually in his.

Here’s one actually proposing. Watch her face carefully. You can see the very moment she realizes she’s in his friend zone. Then her little hamster wheel starts spinning so fast it completely derails, and it’s glorious to see.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Don’t let any woman tell you different. The friend zone does exist…..from their own admission.

Fuck this planet.

[Masculine_ManParticipant 2735]

Men need female friends like banks need bank robbers.

If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.

[Anonymous 6]

Great video Sidecar that hamster wheel went into hyperdrive once she got the bad news.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Keymaster wrote:

Ask a MAN to tell you about the time he got “friend zoned” when he was 16, and he can tell you all about it.

Yes. Yes I could.

They hit 33 and it’s like they have AMNESIA about the last 20 years. But she will have a 33rd birthday and actually call Justin Case up like she has no memory of how she behaved like he wasn’t good enough. It’s truly remarkable.

This did happen, but she was 36.

Sometimes, I think you actually are Yoda.

Fuck this planet.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Friend zoned guys are always a back up plan. Women are like monkeys, they won’t let go of one branch until they have their hand on another branch. And those guys will feel lucky to have anyone, even a woman who is about to hit the wall.

So don’t be some back up guy, they want you to sit there and wait in the wings for them until they are ready. IF they are ever ready, they might not ever be ready, but you better sit there waiting for them. Dump them and leave them all.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Anonymous wrote:

I promise you will learn there are no 72 virgins awaiting you.

I’ll bet you also won’t promise they will be young female virgins.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I say this every time the friend zone topic comes up so I’ll say it again here.

Women do not control the “friend zone”… men do. If you want to never be friendzoned again in your entire life, the solution is easy. When you find a woman you are attracted to, approach her directly and in a timely manner and make an obvious an inescapable pass at her.

If she accepts your pass and you hook up, voila! No friend zone.

If, on the other hand, she does anything other than accepting your pass and hooking up with you, walk away from her and never speak to her again.

The friend zone doesn’t occur when you are rejected, it occurs when you refuse to accept that rejection and instead say you will be friends in order to hang around, fling time, attention and treasure at her to show her how great you are and hopefully have a chance sneak in to a hookup at some later date when she is vulnerable and desperate.

Men create the friend zone by refusing to take the “L” and move on to some other woman where they might get a “W”. So if you want to avoid the friend zone, take the loss and move on. Not only can you avoid the tragedy of being a simp and orbiter, but you also get to keep your time, attention and treasure for yourself or invest it into another opportunity and keep the kind of women who won’t f~~~ you from getting a free ride by absorbing your resources.

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

Anonymous wrote:

Great video Sidecar that hamster wheel went into hyperdrive once she got the bad news.

It took me forever to find that video again. First saw it a few years ago. Probably on these forums.

Women just can’t deal with rejection.

On a related note, reading the rest of this thread I realize there’s something I forgot to mention about the difference between women’s friend zones and men’s friend zones (and especially MGHOW’s friend zones):

Women’s friend zones represent a backup plan for her. Men’s friend zone occupants are just friends, nothing more. So while a woman might have a Justin Case or two orbiting her friend zone, a man’s friend zone is occupied by one Neva Happenin after another. When a woman puts a man in her friend zone, it’s because she sees him as a contingency option. When a man puts a women in his friend zone it’s only because he sees her as just a friend.

Stargazer wrote:

Women do not control the “friend zone”… men do. If you want to never be friendzoned again in your entire life, the solution is easy. When you find a woman you are attracted to, approach her directly and in a timely manner and make an obvious an inescapable pass at her.

There’s an even easier way: abandon desire. It takes no effort whatsoever. Let women become just another entertainment like a good book or a game of golf or a hard ride up a twisty road. Don’t approach women at all. They will approach you. Then you decide whether you’re going to be friends, just friends, sex friends, or whatever.

[Anonymous 54]

I have to admit at first I was taken by the fact she actually got down on her knee for him. But her reaction to not getting what she wants is a clear indication the he made the right choice. Pass. No thank you. Ain’t gonna happen. Not in this life time. In your dreams. When he’ll freezes over.

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

Anonymous wrote:

But her reaction to not getting what she wants is a clear indication the he made the right choice.

Saying no to marriage is ALWAYS the right choice.

The fact that she wanted to marry him in the first place was a clear indication. No woman who truly loves a man more than herself would want to subject him to marriage.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

sidecar wrote:

There’s an even easier way: abandon desire. It takes no effort whatsoever… Don’t approach women at all

This is the equavalent of having a sex education class where instead of offering practical advice about healthy sexuality, birth control and disease avoidance, you spend the entire class telling kids about abstinence.

Sure, it’s a thing that people can do and yeah, it prevents pregnancy and disease, but it’s not practical or realistic and has no place in a rational discussion about behaving intelligently within the boundaries of natural constraints.

“Hey Bob, how do you wire a 220 line into the mains without blowing your arms off?”
“Stop using electricity, Doug. Easy!”
“Thanks a lot, Bob. Always handy with worthless advice.”

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Cap285 wrote:

Sometimes, I think you actually are Yoda.

Sometimes I think we dated exactly the same women…… as well as sidecar…. doc fenderson…. c-pig and just about everyone else who dropped an intro here. All separated by totally different lives, generations and geography, and we heard EXACTLY the same scripted dialogue, and had EXACTLY the same experience.

But I know we didn’t, so AWALT.

Embarrassing Girl Proposes To Her Boyfriend Gets Rejected !!! FAIL.

That video is spectacular and reveals her beautifully. Marry me, or else I’ll BEAT you. Didn’t the same thing happen to Sarah Michelle Parker (or Sarah Jessica Gellar) or whatever her horse-face is? When Mr. Big didn’t show up to marry her with a f~~~ing blue bird on her head?? She beat him with the bouquet in the streets of New York. Right over the head.

That’s “love”.

Anonymous wrote:

But her reaction to not getting what she wants is a clear indication the he made the right choice.

Best move he ever made. And It’s not just a movie. He’s an asshole now, because he didn’t want to marry a woman who HATES him enough to actually let him go through with it. So in her mind, he should be beaten over the head now.

That’s who you want to be exchanging vows with: The woman who will beat you if you don’t.

Nice.

Stargazer wrote:

If, on the other hand, she does anything other than accepting your pass and hooking up with you, walk away from her and never speak to her again.

And surprisingly often, when you do that, she’ll come running after you for a bang. Make sure she doesn’t get it. I was stopped in the middle of a make-out session and everything but her panties were off already. My b~~~~ are f~~~ing blue, and she waited until this moment to say “no”.

Fine. So I got up and put my pants back on. When I reached for the doorknob, she jumps me and doesn’t want me to leave. “No means no, sweetie”. At least when a MAN says it.

sidecar wrote:

Women just can’t deal with rejection.

Dropping the word “friend” AQAP is unforgettable to them.

Because “friend” means “rejection” when SHE says it……
they take it to mean the same when he does.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 18]

It is always silly to be friends with women. 2 types of women: 1. You want to bang and 2. Women you don’t respect.

The latter can be friend zoned but out of disgust for what they represent. Let’s face it, men don’t wanna be friends with women they want to f~~~.

I had this happen in my early 20’s when a women I had met while she had a bf. Year later she is single and wants to be more with me. She saw me as a back-up/Justin Case but I could never get her out of friend zone. I didn’t respect her because I couldn’t stand the guy she was with at the time, and that dislike transferred on to her image. For the rest of her life. As far as I am concerned.

It really does and should make a man stop and to re-evaluate ‘Love’ from her side. In an instant, it’s clear that all men do with love is project their own feelings on to women. The opposite sex is incapable of love without benefit-risk analysis. It is a business transaction with men because we are on the losing side.

Just returned from a wedding of a decade-long old friend. What’s up with online dating that convinces men to marry far less attractive women than they’d in real life. Smh.

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

Stargazer wrote:

This is the equavalent of having a sex education class where instead of offering practical advice about healthy sexuality, birth control and disease avoidance, you spend the entire class telling kids about abstinence.

No it’s not. Promoting abstinence is merely promoting one method over others. I’m talking about realigning a man’s awareness of the world and adjusting his goals accordingly.

You are trying to argue against my goal oriented position with a method oriented analogy. It doesn’t work that way.

Trust me, abandoning desire has nothing whatsoever to do with abstinence. Quite the opposite.

“Hey Bob, how do you wire a 220 line into the mains without blowing your arms off?”
“Stop using electricity, Doug. Easy!”
“Thanks a lot, Bob. Always handy with worthless advice.”

But you do actually stop using electricity to wire a 220 line into the house mains. Or at least you should. While the electricity is off it is easy (or at least a lot easier than if you’re foolishly trying to do everything hot). And then, once everything is connected, you turn the electricity back on and start using electricity again. We even have these useful devices installed into every code compliant house called “circuit breakers” to do just that safely and easily.

That’s what Bob is saying here. Just because you might not comprehend the advice doesn’t make it worthless.

[corkwonderParticipant 125]

Lmao the sad thing is a lot of guys fall for it

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Keymaster wrote:

Sometimes I think we dated exactly the same women…… as well as sidecar…. doc fenderson…. c-pig and just about everyone else who dropped an intro here. All separated by totally different lives, generations and geography, and we heard EXACTLY the same scripted dialogue, and had EXACTLY the same experience.

Yeah, it’s uncanny… female instinctual drivers express themselves in modern society so clearly and directly as the limited set of psychotic behavior that we’ve all experienced.

Just imagine being small and frail and incapable of protecting and providing for yourself and having to survive by manipulating people who are bigger, stronger and smarter than you… of course you’d have to turn their strengths into weaknesses and, over millenia, your kind would be selected for highly evolved skill and ability at both doing this and at denying that it’s being done.

Remarkable.

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

I remember when I tried having female “friends” when I was younger. Pretty much every one of them ignored me when I tried to engage in doing something with them such as hanging out, hiking, bike riding, etc. The only time they ever did do anything with me is when me and my whole group of friends wanted to do something as a GROUP.

The only time they actually ever did s~~~ with anyone else is when they were with their boyfriends/PUA types. Otherwise, they ignored people like me who only ever saw them as “friends” and nothing more.

That’s when I realized is completely pointless to have female “friends.” You can never actually do anything fun with them like you can with other men. They’ll never appreciate the time you spend together as “friends” either. They’ll just use you and discard you when they don’t need you anymore.

Female “friends” are nothing more than a burden for men. Men and women aren’t capable of being friends. Like Keymaster said before, the only real reason for men and women to get together is to have sex. Otherwise, it’s pointless.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

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