Friends Zone = Backup Plan

[the roadParticipant 3125]

puke

This just reminds me of all the times I got friend zoned back in the day and a few times later on some of them decided to call on me. Funny how that works. Actually, I should say that it’s not funny. I’m not a bad looking dude, I just wasn’t a scumbag which is what most of the women around me wanted back in the day. Bad boys, psychopaths, etc, that’s what they wanted.

My most recent ex was one that friend zoned me a long time ago. She always did like me, messed around once, but she was on the c~~~ carousel- kept me at arms distance. I was a simp. Then I lost contact with her for 10+ years. Upon reconnecting, she still had a nice body but the early signs of her hitting the wall were there. She also had a son, and yep, I know that I’m stupid for messing around with her. My reasoning for trying was because both of our boys liked each other a lot- it was the first time I felt like I could give my son a family. Anyway, we reconnected, dated, she was a psycho bitch, broke up multiple times, been over since last year.

Makes me sick thinking about it now but I literally discovered MGTOW because of her. So I am thankful for that.

#MANOUT

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

narwhal wrote:

First, the women will often pull you back in and think you have a chance when they feel you drifting away. They know exactly what they’re doing here.

A woman benefits from having a man treat her like a girlfriend by giving her his time, attention and treasure without having to treat him like a boyfriend by giving him sexual access. True. And they are aware of this benefit and act to protect it. True.

Sure, the guy has the option to ignore and keep going away, but he’s going to 2nd guess himself and wonder if he just orbited a little longer…

Exactly my point. And if he knowingly and willingly chooses to continue giving away his value for nothing, then he is responsible for his own undesirable outcome.

Second, accept attention from someone when you know they are hoping for reciprocation that never comes is wrong in my opinion.

Getting sex from a woman when you have no intention of protecting and providing for her is wrong, then, also… but most men call this “winning”. Most women consider getting free s~~~ from a stupid boy they never have to put out for “winning” too. It’s a dark forest full of silent, deadly hunters out there and there are no rules of engagement… you get a shot, you take it and you collect as much as you can while giving up as little as possible for it. That’s the only rule.

Honestly, would a guy do this to a woman?

Every day, my friend. Every day. Remember the equation… Sex for Provision. They want our stuff, we want their bodies. Both sides play dirty and both sides take advantage. Don’t hate the players, hate the game.

That’s why I say it’s pointless to blame women for being good at the game. You step onto the field a noob, you get ganked and you have a choice… p~~~ and moan about the unfairness of being beaten by a better player or become one yourself.

No man who whines about being “friend zoned” has any of my sympathy. If you can’t handle high stakes PVP gaming, develop a strategy and learn to play better or go back to PVE.

[narwhalParticipant]

@doc. I didn’t think about that. In essence, a woman friendzone’s a man isn’t much different then a man having sex with a woman knowing full well she intends to have a relationship with him. You have good point there.

And yes, it’s rare for men to really friendzone a woman, but not rare for a man to ‘play’ a woman.

I’d like to say that I don’t play women, but there is definitely one case where I did, and plenty more where it could be a matter of opinion. I would definitely say that I’m much more clear about my intentions with women then I used to be.

As for blame it’s not a black and white situation. In the same way that a person is stupid for walking down a dark alley, it’s criminal to take advantage and rob him. Yes, rape is wrong, but it’s also stupid to dress like a whore and take no responsibility for your own safety. So, I do have some sympathy for the friendzone’d dude, but only if he’s willing to admit he was an idiot for it…no whining. And yes, I avoid women who friendzone’d guys…for several reasons. Yes, people play dirty and I accept that. It doesn’t mean I need to play dirty as well, or even play the game.

Ok. Then do it.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

narwhal wrote:

@doc. I didn’t think about that. In essence, a woman friendzone’s a man isn’t much different then a man having sex with a woman knowing full well she intends to have a relationship with him. You have good point there.

Yep, it is exactly the same thing, only the time scales and magnitudes are different. It can take weeks, months or even years to extract the quantity of a man’s wealth for nothing in return equivalent to that which a man takes from a women when he gets her sex for nothing in return.

It doesn’t mean I need to play dirty as well, or even play the game.

True. The good news is that women have spent the last 50 years trying to convince themselves that their vaginas are as cheap as dick… so the price has come down considerably from where it was in the early 60s whereas the price of protection and provision has only gone up in that time.

[corkwonderParticipant 125]

Good post by rollo tomassi on this subject https://therationalmale.com/2016/03/14/plan-b/

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