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Definitely not among superiors. Forgive me for upsetting the homeostasis on your online ecosystem. I didn’t mean to upset delicate flowers like yourself. That said, I appreciate those who engage me in good faith. I’m not here to agitate, although thin-skinned people will go hysterical at the drop of the hat. ‘Tis the nature of many niche online communities. Just here to engage and have a dialogue.
Since you’re ignorant, how would you know if you weren’t among superiors?
Bringing biology into a forum discussion is a cute analogy, but this is what you really did…
1. Entered MGTOW space as non-pill man.
2. Asked Questions.
3. Didn’t listen to answers, retorted, failed counter-points and insulted members.
4. Repeat 2 and 3.
That sort of behavior is just annoying, nothing more, nothing less. It has nothing to do with being thick or thin-skinned, just because you can’t read signs. If I entered a woman’s bathroom and it said “WOMEN ONLY” and they yelled at me, would you stand there and bark back, “You’re just thin skinned.”
Now I realize cyberspace isn’t real, but if you’re going to use biology analogies and refer to cyberspace as “turf” then you will permit me to use the argument your brain can actually conceptualize to prove my point. Move along.
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Anonymous1That is a very low standard for happiness
Just wanted to add this: shaming language anyone? 🙂
Anonymous1Writing of the status quo of our current societies as being hostile towards all things masculine is one thing, and one thing I’m sympathetic towards. Writing off all women as potential partners in a mutual relationship in the context of a family isn’t.
Yeah, you see, I have here a box with 10 grenades. Only 2 of them are dull. The rest is fully functional. Why don’t you take one, pull the pin and hold it close to your face? C’mon, NAGALT (not all grenades are like that).
You rang?
Very nicely done, lads.
+1 to the c~~~s punted total.
Have a spectacular weekend.
– Gynocentric Bulls~~~ Genie
Anonymous42FLUSH,,,,,GYAYG, GYAYG, GYAYG. Another terd down the genie bowl……
Anonymous5A BOB is a Battery Operated Boyfriend, just in case any of you guys didn’t know. It’s a very clever nick and far more appropriate than the extremely angry unhappy feminist ever meant it to be.
This highly dysfunctional bitch has used used lies and shaming all through this thread, in a way that only a vicious bitch could use.
The great thing is, it most likely uses it’s venom on other women more than other men because men quickly get the f~~~ away from it.
Thank you for showing us exactly what we’re avoiding.
P.S. If it looks anything like the average feminist, it really doesn’t need the venom to repel. It’s ugly as f~~~, poor darlen, that’s the real reason it hates men.
Anonymous1A BOB is a Battery Operated Boyfriend
The more you know.
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@tower
Those a f~~~ing hilarious, I nearly spit my tequila all over the monitor, thanks for the laugh
I don’t know what’s going on in this thread, but responding to the original post, I care about children far more than I care about wealth or even my own share of fairness or happiness. I’d like to elaborate, sometimes people don’t understand what others mean when they say they care about children. I don’t care about children in the sense that I care about the childhood phase of life and think kids are cute. I care about them in the sense that they are the future generation, a fresh shot at good life. And I think our recent generations have done a terrible job of s~~~ting on the subsequent generations with degradation of moral values and, in the case of the US and many countries, enormous debt and social inequality.
There is a strong correlation between being raised in a loving home and becoming successful and happy. It’s not even enough that two parents are there, even small stuff like often showing affection to your partner is key to your children’s healthy upbringing, to see what a good loving relationship is like and to feel loved themselves. When parents don’t love each other, the child can sense it, and it disturbs them irreversibly.
So it doesn’t appeal to me to have a monogamous relationship and children outside of the contract of marriage. I don’t care if I don’t lose my money, I would still risk scarring my children, exposing them to how much of a selfish, unloving c~~~ their mother is. This is where I disagree with tradcons. They say it is unethical to not have children and replace yourself, but I believe it is unethical to create a child and raise it in a loveless environment, setting it up for a future of mental anguish and lowered chances of success. The mgtow information that matters most to me is not the divorce rate but the statistics and psychology that shows how women do not really love men. Even if divorce were at 0%, if modern women had the same values, marriage would still not be a good deal, because they are so likely to turn into an unloving nagging bitch, disturbing the kids.
Just doesn’t stop with these people. You say you don’t “align perfectly” with the MGTOW mindset but you’re not even on the same freeway or tarmac. We understand people don’t agree but this is not a website for them. This is a website for MGTOW and not for others. When you are a Catholic, do you go to a Bapist church on Sunday and tell them you don’t align with their beliefs? Damn, pull yourselves together. Nice work outing these ‘tards.
Anonymous5I agree AnonAnonington.
There’s lots of chest beating amongst the guys here about how money is so important, and I’m one of them.
But it isn’t the real issue at all and never has been.
I doubt there’s not a guy on the planet, certainly not one I’ve never met who wouldn’t give every asset and dollar he had in a nanosecond if their kid needed an operation to survive. Not one. It wouldn’t be debatable on any level and anyone who advised me otherwise, they’d mean nothing to me from that moment onwards.It’s the toxic environment of the modern social/media woman covertly dictating the lives of the family in an unending quest for status.
The lifestyle they think they’re owed is staggering. When they can’t get it, and none of them can (it’s Hollywood/TV/magazine made up for christ’s sake) the only way out is divorce which puts the children and assets and future income directly into their hands, hence giving them even more control.
According to Australian statistics 80% of Australian men who have this happen to them in a completely no fault divorce initiated by women have no say at all in it. They’re like the feminist poster, they blame the man and kick him out, only to eventually find their situation is far worse.Read this quote that blames 50% of all men who marry (50% divorce rate). Yeah right, very logical conclusion based on data.
Some of you gentlemen seem to underestimate the importance of wise selection when it comes to a woman with which to have a family.
Some of you gentlemen seem to underestimate the importance of wise selection when it comes to a woman with which to have a family. Of course it is true that the cultural/legal framework is stacked against men in the event of trouble. What’s important is not to select a woman who’s going to do that. I’d guess that in many cases where these awful things happen to man, there were warnings/red flags that could’ve and should’ve been seen in advance.
then plays the victim when confronted with their nonsense
What was naive of me was assuming the potential for good faith dialogue in here.
then accuses rational response as emotional
I don’t share your degree of cynicism.
forgets feminism is about making women act like men, and men act like women
You also seem to be articulating a radically individualistic worldview that’s irreconcilable with the human condition.
more accusations of emotional responses and hysteria
Lastly, you can spare me the acrimony. I’m not thin-skinned. Last thing I’m worried about is hysteria from a forum denizen who feels his turf is being violated by an outsider.
more of the same lines that it’s the man’s fault (despite a minimum of 50% divorce and another 20% in perpetual horror)
Therefore 70% are idiotsThere’s a fine line between blaming the man and acknowledging his responsibility to choose wisely when it comes to females.
more shaming
Definitely not among superiors. Forgive me for upsetting the homeostasis on your online ecosystem. I didn’t mean to upset delicate flowers like yourself.
more accusations that we’re all “emotional”, instead of addressing the experience and reality that’s being shared.
It doesn’t appreciate it’s theories of how things should and could be, to be challenged in any way.I’m not here to agitate, although thin-skinned people will go hysterical at the drop of the hat.
Who would want to bring a child into the world with one of these in the house?
Anonymous1They say it is unethical to not have children and replace yourself, but I believe it is unethical to create a child and raise it in a loveless environment, setting it up for a future of mental anguish and lowered chances of success
The mgtow information that matters most to me is not the divorce rate but the statistics and psychology that shows how women do not really love men. Even if divorce were at 0%, if modern women had the same values, marriage would still not be a good deal, because they are so likely to turn into an unloving nagging bitch, disturbing the kids.
My friend, if I am allowed to say, you freaking NAILED IT.
Well done. +1 for you. 🙂
I’m not saying it’s unethical to not be fruitful and multiply. Not everyone desires a family. Not everyone desires and/or is capable of being a good parent.
What I’m asking is what the MGTOW “movement” prescribes for men who want a family. Clearly, having a family isn’t compatible with two tenets of the MGTOW philosophy: 1. All women are evil/untrustworthy/abusive, or, it’s impossible to tell which ones are good while 80% of them are awful (nonsense), and 2. Marriage is for suckers. So it seems to me that outside of behavior that would subsequently be seem as irresponsible after “taking the red pill”, it’s not possible for a man “going his own way” to be a father. That’s too bad, and I’m sure everyone in this thread who wants to be a father can agree on this last point, whether or not you disagree with me on my views of establishing a family in our 2015 societies.
This whole “I can’t bring kids into this horrendous world” narrative is also weak. Some of you gentlemen almost portray yourselves as martyrs. Sacrificing your desires for some perceived greater good. As if you’re doing these unborn children a favour.
Anyways, no point going back and forth on this. Thanks for the non-acrimonious replies from some.
Lastly – what about adoption and single fatherhood?
Just doesn’t stop with these people. You say you don’t “align perfectly” with the MGTOW mindset but you’re not even on the same freeway or tarmac. We understand people don’t agree but this is not a website for them. This is a website for MGTOW and not for others. When you are a Catholic, do you go to a Bapist church on Sunday and tell them you don’t align with their beliefs? Damn, pull yourselves together. Nice work outing these ‘tards.
Nah, you’re just one of those types who can’t tolerate any element of disagreement. For you there’s no distinction between core or peripheral principles or tenets. MGTOW makes a lot of sense to me, up to a point. I understand exactly what it is a reaction towards, I’m just not aligned with all of its conclusions.
It’s interesting how in one breath I hear from some that MGTOW is just that… men finding their own paths. In the next breath, however, they’ll go into hysterics when any of their axioms or viewed are challenged. Which is it? I mean, seriously, some guy in here actually implied that I’m some secret female feminist trying to infiltrate this website. But hey, I’ve been posting on internet forums for over twenty years. I’ve seen archetypes like you in all sorts of communities.
Anonymous1Not everyone desires a family. Not everyone desires and/or is capable of being a good parent.
You better tell this to all the WOMEN that booted their HUSBANDS because they wanted that CHILD SUPPORT CHECK and thought they would do BETTER WITH SOMEONE ELSE.
All women are evil/untrustworthy/abusive, or, it’s impossible to tell which ones are good while 80% of them are awful (nonsense)
Good luck pulling the pin of that grenade.
This whole “I can’t bring kids into this horrendous world” narrative is also weak. Some of you gentlemen almost portray yourselves as martyrs. Sacrificing your desires for some perceived greater good. As if you’re doing these unborn children a favour.
And so said the vibrator (Boyfriend On Batteries?) with no evidence WHATSOEVER on how to bring a kid to this world WITHOUT LOSING HIM/HER on the whim of the MOTHER. As for sacrificing our desires, welcome to the f~~~ing real world. Here men always sacrifice something. I will give an option, you can lose a finger, or a f~~~ing ARM, which one do you choose? You f~~~er, my patient is running low with you at this point. You come here to mock us and to make little of whatever sacrifices we have/had to do, offering NO ALTERNATIVE of a better path and then call OUR SOLUTION NONSENSE. You are a f~~~ing WOMAN.
Lastly – what about adoption and single fatherhood?
F~~~ you, go do your f~~~ing research somewhere else. So far I’ve been answering these asinine question with all the good will I could muster, but not anymore. You are a woman, and you should be f~~~ing banned from here.
GTFO.
My 2 cents.
Bobbing-For-Birthmarks.. you’re not as bright as you pretend, and we’re going to prove it now.
I’m not saying it’s unethical to not be fruitful and multiply. Not everyone desires a family.
Not everyone desires and/or is capable of being a good parent.Thats’ a lot of “nots”.
Women speak like that all the time: i.e.” not all women are like that”.
Those sentences say and prove nothing. If anything they show you have the intellect of a tree stump. You may as well have said “not all birds fly”. But thinking in terms of the lowest common denominator doesn’t make anyone smarter, and you will never learn a f~~~ing thing in the world that way.
FACT: MOST birds fly .. and saying “not all birds fly” is not an argument, it doesn’t disprove the vast majority that do.
There’s a clerical error in your thinking which you have not counted on:
Being a good parent is not a requirement to have children.
The only requirement to “have children” is to have unprotected sex.We know this by all the headlines in the news about mothers who drown their babies, cut their heads off, store their body parts in the freezer, vote for late term abortions. It doesn’t even “take two” to make a baby. It only takes one deceitful lying bitch to reach into the garbage and extract the sperm from a discarded condom to try and fertilize herself and force an otherwise responsibly-behaved man into fatherhood against his own will and better judgement.
So you will stop pretending punching out a womb turd and calling yourself “a parent” is anything divine when reaching to such barrel scraping lows can make a woman “a mother”. This is why MOST parents are s~~~ty parents. Because the list of requirements to “have a baby” are even lower than those required to clean toilets for a living.
But this is your ignorance at it’s show stopping BEST:
What I’m asking is what the MGTOW “movement” prescribes for men who want a family.
Clearly, having a family isn’t compatible with two tenets of the MGTOW philosophy:
1. All women are evil/untrustworthy/abusive, or, it’s impossible to tell which ones are good while 80% of them are awful
2. Marriage is for suckers.You don’t know a f~~~ing thing about MGTOW philosophy. Plenty of MGTOW are already fathers. So there goes that theory right down the toilet. “Not having a family” is actually more in line with every single mother’s philosophy. All they care about is collecting a monthly check for punching out a womb turd, and todays’ single mother is so doped on morphine and chocolate, she doesn’t even know who the father is when punching the little bastard out as she holds her claws out for cash.
MGTOW is not even a “movement”. It’s an individual lifestyle choice. Feminism is a “movement”. A great big stinking bowel movement and easily the biggest cultural failure of the last century.
it’s not possible for a man “going his own way” to be a father. That’s too bad….
If you have a question, f~~~ing ASK it. Just because you’re bad at math doesn’t mean you’re good at not-math.
You haven’t read the FAQ this has already been answered there for all you intellectual retards.Since paternity fraud is such a goddam epidemic and these mommies are not f~~~ing their boyfriends or husbands… who the f~~~ do you think they are F~~~ING?
MGTOW. That’s who.
That MGTOW doesn’t even KNOW he’s a father.
So why are you pretending it’s not possible? Because your head is so far up your ass, you can taste yesterdays lunch.Of course it’s possible, dummy. There are men who are ordered to pay child support for kids that aren’t even their own!! They are told they are the father even when they are NOT. In order to be a father, all you have to do is date a single mother and take her and her kid to Disney World. As soon as you ACT like “the father” the court will determine that you ARE – even when you are not. Poof! done! you’re a father! Congrats!! you f~~~ing idiot.
Don’t worry, we know ALL women are not evil/untrustworthy/abusive…
Just like we know not all all women are kind, trustworthy and loving.That’s a fact, ain’t it sugart~~~.
Satisfied? Now get your stinking c~~~ off this website and never come back. You were already clear you don’t approve. In the future, take a number , get to the back of the line, and use the contact form to complain. This is no place for you.
Someone will get back to you f~~~ing never.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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Anonymous1Thank you Keymaster. That c~~~ was starting to p~~~ me off. That’s why I try not to talk to these bastards. But once in a while old habits get the better of me I try to actually have a conversation and I forget that, to them, women are always right, men always wrong. We are supposed to be the responsible for EVERYTHING, and we don’t have the right to feel NOTHING.
I guess I am not as through with my rage stage as I thought.
Anyway, thanks again.
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