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Greetings MGTOW members,
I’m very new here, and just getting a sense of MGTOW’s values and vision(s). So marriage is viewed as a sucker’s deal for men, fine. What about family life and monogamy, though, outside of the context of contemporary marriage? Is there any sympathy among you gentlemen towards self-actualisation and fulfillment for men through the context of family life and monogamy with the mother of one’s children? Isn’t that an acceptable route to The Good Life?
If not, that’s a bridge I can’t cross with MGTOW.
Thanks in advance.
Anonymous1As far as I am concerned, its all about risk management. I would like to be a father and have a family. But with the current circumstances, even without marriage, it is simply not worth it. You don’t need to be married to end up with the bill and with the PAIN of PARENTAL ALIENATION. And it’s not just you that suffers, but YOUR KID TOO.
My heart goes to all the fathers that are going through this hell. And to be honest, I also though I would not be able to “cross that bridge”, but all I have to do is look at the recent news and see how less and less rights fathers have regarding their own sons/daughters for me to see that I am taking the right position (at least to my life). Father’s can’t stop the mother from giving HIS kids to adoption, even though he has the means and THE WILL to take care of the child. Neither they can see the birth of his son/daughter, if the woman doesn’t want to. It’s all stacked against you. So nah, I’m out. Hoping that women develop parthenogenesis soon though, because they will need it. hehehe
fulfillment for men through the context of family life and monogamy with the mother of one’s children?
Yeah it’s great working your b~~~~ off in a job you hate, waiting for the day that she decides to make use the sexist laws that favor women to kick you out of the house, move in her new boyfriend, take all your past and future income, deny you access to your children and to tell you that one of ‘your’ kids is actually the result of an affair she had 10 years ago. Then during the custody battle she only needs to turn on the tears for friends, family and the courts to treat her as the victim and you as the villain.
Apart from all those things, you’re right, it’s pretty f~~~ing fulfilling!
E=MC² Bitch
Bob, your intro is decent, but then you go straight into asking questions about MGTOWs opinion about the family unit. You must forgive me as “round here” whenever a new user immediately asks questions pertaining to FAMILY/DATING/MARRIAGE etc. it sends off red flags.
This is because the new user seems more concerned with defining MGTOW than “going his own way”, in which case the general consensus of MGTOW wouldn’t even matter to him.
I wish you all the best of luck, but as you know MGTOW means = each man doing his own thing.
You will not get answers that you can group into a nice box while being statistically sound and truthful with your conclusions.
Bob, in short, you can be MGTOW and have kids if you’d like, without getting married. Getting married is the no-no.
However, getting financially involved with a woman through child rearing is another way for the state/government to enter your relationship. This is a no no.
So basically, do what makes you happy.
As far as I am concerned, its all about risk management. I would like to be a father and have a family. But with the current circumstances, even without marriage, it is simply not worth it. You don’t need to be married to end up with the bill and with the PAIN of PARENTAL ALIENATION. And it’s not just you that suffers, but YOUR KID TOO. My heart goes to all the fathers that are going through this hell. And to be honest, I also though I would not be able to “cross that bridge”, but all I have to do is look at the recent news and see how less and less rights fathers have regarding their own sons/daughters for me to see that I am taking the right position (at least to my life). Father’s can’t stop the mother from giving HIS kids to adoption, even though he has the means and THE WILL to take care of the child. Neither they can see the birth of his son/daughter, if the woman doesn’t want to. It’s all stacked against you. So nah, I’m out. Hoping that women develop parthenogenesis soon though, because they will need it. hehehe
I get all that, but I would assume that a resourceful and motivated man can find a way to actualise his desires for family even within the framework that’s stacked up against him you just laid out. To throw your hands up in the air and give up on this aspiration is too defeatist, in my humble opinion. Also, wanting to love and be loved by a woman and have a family is a lot different than, say, wanting to visit Rome or go skydiving. This is at the core of many men’s desires, it’s not peripheral. Bailing on these desires seems to me to be a huge sacrifice, and a surrender of something of vital importance to one’s pursuit of happiness. To me, this is a very sad state of affairs when a man looks at the legal/cultural/political landscape and determines that having a family and finding mutual love with a woman isn’t worth the risk.
Bob, your intro is decent, but then you go straight into asking questions about MGTOWs opinion about the family unit. You must forgive me as “round here” whenever a new user immediately asks questions pertaining to FAMILY/DATING/MARRIAGE etc. it sends off red flags. This is because the new user seems more concerned with defining MGTOW than “going his own way”, in which case the general consensus of MGTOW wouldn’t even matter to him. I wish you all the best of luck, but as you know MGTOW means = each man doing his own thing. You will not get answers that you can group into a nice box while being statistically sound and truthful with your conclusions. Bob, in short, you can be MGTOW and have kids if you’d like, without getting married. Getting married is the no-no. However, getting financially involved with a woman through child rearing is another way for the state/government to enter your relationship. This is a no no. So basically, do what makes you happy.
That makes perfect sense. Thank you, sir.
Please concede that it’s natural to want to grasp definitional parameters of terms/movements with which one is unfamiliar. My objective here was to get a sense of understand of MGTOW’s take on family/monogamy. As you’ve laid it out clearly… if a MGHOW wants that, he can go for it. The red line is marriage. Makes sense.
Anonymous42What about family life and monogamy, though, outside of the context of contemporary marriage?
Absolutely man! when does the next rocket leave? where’s the new planet?
I get all that, but I would assume that a resourceful and motivated man can find a way to actualise his desires for family even within the framework that’s stacked up against him you just laid out.
KeyMaster, you don’t have a
WhiteKnightbutton.To throw your hands up in the air and give up on this aspiration is too defeatist, in my humble opinion.
Mmmmkay. I called it. Later dude. =)
You don’t get it, you don’t get it at all.
Anonymous42To throw your hands up in the air and give up on this aspiration is too defeatist
beats having them behind your back in silver bracelets!
Is there any sympathy among you gentlemen towards self-actualisation and fulfillment for men through the context of family life and monogamy with the mother of one’s children?
Well if you’re for sympathy or empathy, you will find more of it here (within MGTOW – other men who understand) than anywhere else. But have a look at your question – the sentence I quoted above – and see if you can spot the key.
It’s OK. I’ll wait.
Maybe you didn’t get it. And that’s OK too. Because it’s not glaringly obvious. So allow me to shine a light on it:
the mother of one’s children
Do you see the flaw in that? They are not YOUR children. They are HERS and the law will treat you that way. So it’s not our sympathy you should be looking for. Because it’s the courts that will have none. You are the sperm donor and the wallet, and that is ALL YOU WILL EVER MEAN.
How’s that for sympathy?
But wait there’s more….
“Monogamy”? Please. It’s still legal in this country for a woman to allow herself to get pregnant without your knowledge or consent. It simply doesn’t matter if you’re monogamous. She doesn’t have to be, and will f~~~ another guy when you’re not looking, toss you a baby and say “here, this is yours” – her mistake for which you will pay – by law – and if you refuse you will go to jail.
Therefore, the sperm donor, ATM and wallet (that’s you) is not considered “family”.
So it doesn’t really matter how much sympathy you can generate here, because by law, you’re f~~~ed.Does that sound like self-actualisation and fulfillment to you?
When the kid is yours, you have no rights.
And when the kid is not yours, you’re the wallet anyway, and if you don’t pay, you go to jail.F~~~ sympathy, and we will give you something to take with you that’s much more valuable.
1. NEVER F~~~ING DATE A SINGLE MOTHER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND
2. Your kids are not “your own” like you have been telling yourself.
Have no illusions. No man can afford to be this naive.
You can thank me some other time.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Bob doesn’t sound like he’s done any research. Angel Bob, you made an account without any clue of why MGTOW is MGTOW, with the exception of marriage being problematic.
Not only are you not RED PILL, but you clearly missed the sign that said, “FOR RED PILL MEN ONLY”
This is not a website for us to explain to you WHY we are the way we are, that is for YOU to do research yourself. There is plenty of material. I know in journalism they emphasize a “straight from the horse’s mouth” approach. The issue here is that you will not UNDERSTAND.
You can go ask a math professor the answer to an equation, and report the answer correctly, but you do not understand WHY the answer exists as it does.
Go do your homework Angel Bob.
Some of you gentlemen seem to underestimate the importance of wise selection when it comes to a woman with which to have a family. Of course it is true that the cultural/legal framework is stacked against men in the event of trouble. What’s important is not to select a woman who’s going to do that. I’d guess that in many cases where these awful things happen to man, there were warnings/red flags that could’ve and should’ve been seen in advance.
Some of you gentlemen seem to underestimate the importance of wise selection when it comes to a woman with which to have a family. Of course it is true that the cultural/legal framework is stacked against men in the event of trouble. What’s important is not to select a woman who’s going to do that. I’d guess that in many cases where these awful things happen to man, there were warnings/red flags that could’ve and should’ve been seen in advance.
NAWALT!!!
What a load of naive crap.
E=MC² Bitch
Some of you gentlemen seem to underestimate the importance of wise selection when it comes to a woman with which to have a family. Of course it is true that the cultural/legal framework is stacked against men in the event of trouble. What’s important is not to select a woman who’s going to do that. I’d guess that in many cases where these awful things happen to man, there were warnings/red flags that could’ve and should’ve been seen in advance.
Times up Bob.
Ok the deal with family is if you want to have kids hire a surrogate or adopt. It’s a mistake to have a child with a woman and then being tied to her.I think the 2 options I mentioned are the only ways. Now as far as dating a woman with kids. That’s a no no. Stay away from single mothers as well.
Anonymous1Also, wanting to love and be loved by a woman and have a family is a lot different than, say, wanting to visit Rome or go skydiving.
You are absolutely right, since visiting Rome is way CHEAPER, skydiving is way SAFER and both are way MORE POSSIBLE than you finding love in a woman. But I digress.
I get all that, but I would assume that a resourceful and motivated man can find a way to actualise his desires for family even within the framework that’s stacked up against him you just laid out
Really now? Then I suggest you to look for more news regarding divorce. At this point, even MILIONARIES are being ripped off by their wives, regardless of all their “resourcefulness”. You want to take that risk? Go for it. There is a fine line between being BRAVE and BEING A FOOL. When you find this magical formula of yours that gives you a chance of being a father without having your SOUL ripped of your BODY by the family court and WOMEN, through the reinforcement of laws that makes fathers PAY THE BILLS but does not allow them to SEE THEIR CHILDREN, you let us know. Until then, I will keep learning to be happy with what I am/got. Thank you very much.
To throw your hands up in the air and give up on this aspiration is too defeatist, in my humble opinion.
Well, than I am happy not to share your humble opinion. I am not being defeatist, I am just learning how to change the things I CAN change. I cannot, and want not, to change others (a.k.a women). They have to learn to do some self-criticism before I even start considering sharing anything with them (let alone a child). This is called “adaptability”. Are you suggesting that men should just keep going, sharing resources with women, regardless of their actions? Keep having kids, just to see them being used against us? This is not bravery, is stupidity. And WALKING AWAY from this setting, is not defeatism, is COMMON SENSE.
This is at the core of many men’s desires, it’s not peripheral
Allow me to disagree with you on this as well. MEN are very adaptable. A few men would say that SEX is the core of masculinity, and yet we have many men that are more than happy to go CELIBATE. Other’s would say the unconditional PROTECTOR ROLE is the core of men, and yet many of us (myself included) would say this is actually stupid (white knights). So the definition of what is and isn’t a “men’s core” is really not that definitive. Besides, for the sake of arguments, lets say you are right. So what? Is GIVING UP YOUR LIFE worth it to taking a gamble that will probably NOT PAY OFF? Again, you are more than welcome to jump off that cliff, I am walking the OTHER WAY.
Bailing on these desires seems to me to be a huge sacrifice, and a surrender of something of vital importance to one’s pursuit of happiness.
Please define happiness. My definition is pretty simple actually, it can be summed up in one word: peace. That’s what I want. I would love to share it, but if in trying to share it means I would lose the very thing I am looking for, than I am contempt in walking alone. Like I said before, MEN are very good into adapt to the environment. It is not our job, not anymore, to carry women with us. We already provided the tools for them to walk besides us. It is time for THEM to pick up the pace, or be left behind. You are the one giving the power of YOUR happiness to others. My happiness is up to me, for better or worse I am responsible, and that’s something I WILL NOT GIVE TO A WOMAN, simply because they already proved they ARE NOT WORTH IT.
To me, this is a very sad state of affairs when a man looks at the legal/cultural/political landscape and determines that having a family and finding mutual love with a woman isn’t worth the risk.
Well, the fact that it looks sad to you doesn’t make it not TRUE. Besides, there are a lot of things that are even sadder, in my opinion. When men are ASSAULTED by WOMEN and are UNABLE TO GET HELP. When boys are RAPED BY WOMEN and have to see their assailants WALK FREE, that if they (the boys) don’t have to pay CHILD SUPPORT if the women gets pregnant. When women talk about a men HAVING HIS PENIS CUTTED OFF and their reaction is LAUGH about it and HUMILIATE the victim, because he is MALE. To have MASCULINITY deemed as perverse to the point that even FREAKING FEMALE ROBOTS that don’t even exist yet have to be protected from “rape”, but a robot that pleases a woman (a.k.a vibrator) is deemed “empowering”. All this, in my opinion, is far FAR sadder than men just realizing that women are not worth it and walking away.
But hey, what do I know, I am just a man after all.
Cheers.
Anonymous1Some of you gentlemen seem to underestimate the importance of wise selection when it comes to a woman with which to have a family. Of course it is true that the cultural/legal framework is stacked against men in the event of trouble. What’s important is not to select a woman who’s going to do that. I’d guess that in many cases where these awful things happen to man, there were warnings/red flags that could’ve and should’ve been seen in advance
God dammit, freaking NAWALT argument…
Some of you gentlemen seem to underestimate the importance of wise selection when it comes to a woman with which to have a family. Of course it is true that the cultural/legal framework is stacked against men in the event of trouble. What’s important is not to select a woman who’s going to do that. I’d guess that in many cases where these awful things happen to man, there were warnings/red flags that could’ve and should’ve been seen in advance.
NAWALT!!! What a load of naive crap.
What was naive of me was assuming the potential for good faith dialogue in here.
What was naive of me was assuming the potential for good faith dialogue in here.
You started off by calling all MGTOW defeatists. Or did you not think a man’s reading comprehension would catch that slip?
Anonymous1And I wasted my time actually writing for this thread.
Well, I hope at least someone ELSE might find my post interesting. I can already assume what the
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