Can MGTOW man ever be close friends with a women? Is that even Possible

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Well, I guess so but it won’t be this MGTOW, not again, not when I got screwed over financially on 2 loans to help 2 different women with real medical problems. I successfully froze one out after 6 months and the other I’m freezing out now (tailing way off on communication). I’m just done with them in general.

[Andy ManParticipant 12]

Yes. Of course it is possible. We must treat all people as human beings; we cannot “n~~~~~ise” any group.

I was plucked from the “madness” by a woman. She was the only one prepared to put her self out to save me, and I love her for it. My relationship to her is not sexual, but one of true friendship — she is the best mate I’ve ever had.

I understand the cultural and the biological issues, but neverless we must treat other human beings as individuals. The are no abosulutes.

 

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

“Can MGTOW man ever be close friends with a women? Is that even Possible”

Yes, and yes, but that is not really that important. The question I have is why would you want to be friends with a woman? As a MGTOW you know the true nature of women, and you STILL want to be “friends” with them? I have some very basic uses for women, none of them fall into the friend category. F~~~ing, cooking, cleaning…. and not necessarily in that order. I’ve had female friends, and as friends go they suck. They are always there when they need me, but gone like a fart in the wind when reciprocity is required.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[HimeoParticipant 471]

Yes.

Will women ever be a good friend back to you? Probably not.

The issue at question is Briffault’s law:

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. — Robert Briffault, The Mothers, Vol. I, p. 191

Most women will only be your friend when it benefits them. That’s not a true friend in my book. Your mileage may vary.

[PlatoParticipant 48]

The Author said:

I’m not gonna sugarcoat this Ray, and I hope you’ve come to understand that means I like you….. but no, you f~~~ing can’t be friends with women.

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Why do guys mostly hang out with guys for real fun?  We have the same interests.  eg woman hang out with woman because they both like shopping. Men hang out with men because we both like hunting/fishing.  Why, if you go to a punk concert, it’s often 95% males?

How can you be real friends with a woman if “our” interests are so different? Sure, sometimes we see it in movies, yes, it seems real.  Then, in most of those movies, the s~~~ hits the fan when the woman, who wanted more all along, makes an advance, and the dude says no, as he just was into the friend thing.

Next thing you know the woman is in a bathtub slitting her wrists.

 

 

[mackiavelicParticipant 226]

im with THEBARD in this one. it is possible to be friends with women IF they are indeed coworkers and you just hangout for stuff like eating out and such and talk about random stuff. i myself am in this situation. As the bard said though for it to work it they have to be much older then you are. im 31 and hang out with 36+,40+ women all of them in couples. there is no possibility of sexual interest from any of the sides. but women around your age or younger, single or in a relationship is a NO go.

[fpmParticipant 3]

The original question was: can MGTOW man ever be close friends with a woman?  So, we all think we’re really MGTOW?  All right, putting that aside, I’m weighing in by potentially bogging this thread down in the mud.

To wit, what’s the definition of a friend?  What’s the difference between a friend, a colleague, and an acquaintance?

TheBard’s circumstances are interesting; I could surmise that the women are “toying” with you, enjoying a little of their own sexual tension, perhaps they’re sympathetic to your sexual situation (whatever it is, they know, I don’t) and you are a long-term project (guy who needs to be saved).  But I wouldn’t judge the thing.  For instance, all the women that I know want to marry me off, “cuz I’d make such a good husband” (as translated into female, that reads “Everybody has to play- that means you, fpm”.  As an aside, it’s really pathetic to hear women say, essentially,  “Oh, you’ll find just the right girl for you” which in female, translates to, “I’m not going to touch him, but somebody should marry this guy”.).

In the instances of some other threads, for instance that fporretto describes, I wonder that there isn’t some sexual tension within the woman who’s matured and become successful at her business endeavors.  Initially described as friends, then backs off to colleagues and drinking buddies- so maybe not friends, so much.  So, what if every woman has an agenda.  We ALL have an agenda, that starts for each of us with the “individual I”.  As long as the woman’s agenda doesn’t include emasculating the guy, maybe they could be friends.

I don’t have any way to say that being friends can’t exist.  There’s no way that I have the same experience, thought processes, background, etc. as anyone else here.  The question exists in an environment that isn’t conducive to a controlled experiment.

In the end, and not to be a sycophant, I agree with Keymaster.  If push came to shove, I’d cop to a plea that it’s due to my experience, from thinking that it is (was) possible for me to be friends with one or more women.  I used to talk to them as if they were (just) other people; I’d tell them stories whether they liked it or not, kid with them, tease them, and OK, listen to their stories.  I do it in a fairly offhand, non-caring manner because I’m not  sexually attracted to them.  But in multiple cases (five come to mind immediately) all the way back to 7th grade, when enough time ensued and I didn’t “pony up” with some commitment, they turned on me ferociously.  In three cases, their smear campaigns rocked the work environment for months at a time.  Another one threatened to “slash all the tires on that piece of s~~~ car you like so much”.  The fifth was, easily enough, just months of trash talk, shaming, and attempts to ruin my reputation.  SO, maybe I’ve just been ruined on the notion that I can be friends with a woman, and my outlook is trashed.

Before I go, to Buzzhawk, I’m sorry to read that you’ve had the hellacious time you related.  Hope we can help you right your ship.

[Anonymous 11]

Honestly,it’s really almost impossible but can happen.  I, personally, do not do one sided friendships which so many women seem to be only about when it comes down to it so I tend to eschew them as friends.

My only close female friend is the only woman that I ever came close to marrying some 20 odd years ago.  We just get along very well, and she really does care about me as a human being.  We did not speak for 10 years after the breakup, but now that the hatchet is buried it’s OK.  She is not a feminist nor financially irresponsible.

Maybe the fact there is no mutual sexual attraction anymore plays a role.  The funniest thing ever was that I let her pick my interior decorating scheme while I tricked my then relations~~~ wench into thinking that she was the one who came up with the idea.  She also warned me to dump her almost immediately and was right.

If I ever allow a wench the privilege of being in a relationship with me, she will have to pass my ex’s test.  I tell you she is psychic which me and her current relationship often joke about.  It used to drive me crazy when I involved with her, but now works to my benefit.  Life really takes strange turns.

Also, for a woman in her late 40s she still looks really good as she takes good care of herself.  She’s kind of grandfathered into my life at this point.

[MizukiParticipant 3]

You can be just let them know what is it that you want, do not beat around the bush.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

I do suppose it’s true, though when you “come out” as a MGTOW, don’t expect to have women give you good compliments or any good words.  They immediately take it as a personal attack instead.  I had, at one point, many more female friends than male friends (I was overdosed on the blue pill, I suppose one could say).  The few I communicate with now understand that I’m going my own way.  One or two may not understand the concept, but they respect it and no longer ask for me to pay for things for them, unless they have true intentions on paying me back for it somehow later (example:  I buy them lunch, they buy me lunch the next day or so).  The ones I have are pretty true to their word, though I’m admittedly cautious sometimes.  Having been backstabbed enough in my life, one can’t blame me (and I’m sure many on this page can definitely understand that).

[Spanky McFlyParticipant 4]

Keymaster wrote:

When a woman “friend” goes out with you she’s so obsessed about the no sex going on that you just can’t have a conversation with this person. Don’t kid yourself. In her mind, you’re not a “friend”…. you’re a “guy she’s not f~~~ing”. ( See the difference? ) When someone asks her “so who was the guy I saw you at the movies with?”, she doesn’t say “His name is Ray and he’s a blast to hang out with”. No. She totally obsessed with letting everyone know that she’s NOT having sex with you. “Oh he’s just a friend” – emphasis on “JUST”. JUST a friend. She doesn’t even tell them your NAME!! I don’t introduce my friend as “JUST” a friend. I say “This is Andy”. I don’t make a big deal out of telling other people that I am NOT sucking his dick. Only women do that.

• “Oh he’s JUST a friend”

• “Oh it’s not like that…”

• “He’s not my boyfriend”

• “Just a guy I know”

• “Don’t get any ideas”

• “He’s a great guy he just doesn’t do it for me”.

She’s totally obsessed with telling herself (and everyone) that she’s NOT f~~~ing you. I don’t want some chick talking about me like that. As far as women are concerned there are only 2 kinds of guys in the world. Guys she IS f~~~ing…. and guys she is NOT f~~~ing. And that’s why you can’t be “friends” with chicks. In her mind, you’re not a friend. You’re *just* a guy she’s not f~~~ing.

Keen insight there.  Thanks!

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

I’ve been recently pulling the “JUST a friend” card on female friends of mine lately.  It’s funny how much closer they want to be with you after that, eh?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

That definitely works. In fact, I “friendzone’ women AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I.E.“You know… you seem like you would make a good friend”. BOOM that’s it. She can’t “friendzone” you anymore. It works wonders and it’s like magic. Then you can drop little comments like “you should bring a friend along”…. just keep using that word.

“Friend”. It gets RIGHT under their skin.

Label her a friend IMMEDIATELY. Then any interaction with you cannot be perceived as “oh he’s hitting on me” or “he wants me”. You rip it from her mind right from the start. She’s a “friend”. Nothing more. You set the boundary before she can.

• She can’t “reject” you
• She can’t “friend zone” you
• She can’t imagine you’re “hitting on” her just by talking to her

.. I think you can see the value in it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

If both are not attractive to each other, then yes.  But if your attracted to her it’s game over for you.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

I thought about getting cheap candy for the females I know to celebrate Valen–I mean MGTOW day 😛 and then when they had a look of “awww, I feel so special, he got me something!”, I would immediately tell them “yeah, I like doing little things like this for all of my friends!”

Like @keymaster said, the word “friend” gets right underneath a Gatekeeper’s skin.

Maybe I should add in that I got someone else something more expensive (not worded like that, but example: I give her Hershey’s chocolate and tell her I bought a friend Godiva…even though I didn’t).

At the same time, I like to have my money…but I’ll admit that it’s sickeningly fun to see their expressions when you know just how to push their buttons right back at them.

[ZeroParticipant 38]

I will have to simultaneously disagree and agree with the naysayers by saying that while it’s totally possible to have a good female friend, it’s extremely uncommon to find a woman friend that fits the bill.

I’ve got a girl friend that I have absolutely no interest in f~~~ing, and she’s not interested in me. We hang out and drink beers together, she talks to me about her boyfriend/man problems and plays wing-woman for me if I see a cute girl in the bar. Some of you have said that “If it’s not about her she’s bored” and while I agree that for most women that is the case, there are a rare few that aren’t that way. She’s cool and a great wing woman, but she’s still just a woman and as such operates with the same emotionally fueled hamstering that all of them are guilty of.

At any rate, friendships with women can be genuine and real as long as it’s mutually symbiotic. She provides something to you (in my case it’s having a wing woman) and you provide something to her (in my case I give her council and male advice)

[WeGoDarkParticipant 6]

Growing up I always had a good balance of male and female friends…but in the end…your female friends will shun and betray you as if you never existed! Just like keymaster said…if you ain’t f~~~ing them…they have no use for you…because deep down in a woman’s conscience you are disposable…like a tampon!

[mgtowcuriousSpectator 11]

I can’t because I want to f~~~ them and they don’t let me 🙁 If a woman is my close friend that means she’s trustworthy and fun to be around and those are my biggest turn on’s

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

@mgtowcurious – I can understand that need for physical intimacy and emotional comfort. I struggle with that need often myself. The sad thing is, I’ve learned women lack the latter. They make promises of treating you well if you have what they want…until you’re completely in their clutches.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

There is never any need for a “wingman” or a “wing-woman”.

It doesn’t take more than one person to interact with a female.
She’s just a female. It requires no skill, courage or preparation.

Not being “friends with chicks” isn’t just about not being friends with chicks. It’s also about not letting her be friends with other guys.. You all know what I am talking about. If she has a need to do that. FINE! But she can’t be involved with YOU. Being “friends with chicks” is also being OK with her hanging out with other dudes when she’s your shag. That’s capital B.A.D.

Women today use other various men (MegaChris knows EXACTLY what I am talking about) to fill certain holes in their lives – without doing a single f~~~ing thing to put out for their orbiters.

• One guy is there to take her to lunch.
• She uses the other one for a shoulder to cry on
• The gay friend goes to the mall with her
• The straight “friend” is there to pay for dinner right before she gets an “OOPSIE!” text which means she has to get up and leave all of a sudden to go and blow the dude who will f~~~ her right after you pay the tab.
• The Facebook friend is there to like her pictures and status updates
• The Twitter followers are there to favorite her stupid photos of Starbucks cups.

….. and all so she can call you JUSTIN.

That’s your name: “JUSTIN CASE”. Her guy friends are there for her: Just In Case.

• Just in case she gets fat.
• Just in case she needs a date on national holidays
• Just in case the guy she’s f~~~ing dumps her
• Just in case she needs a free ride from the club after the bar closes
• Just in case it doesn’t work out with the other one she has on hold
• Just in case nobody proposes when she turns 31.

NEVER be that guy.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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