Are we powerless in the dating world?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

First, I don’t [take] s~~~ from anybody, so I didn’t spend more than 5 seconds on that audio nor am I going to click on those videos.

OK. I don’t take s~~~ from anyone either, even though you’ve already taken a s~~~ in here without having the courtesy to open a f~~~ing window. You will notice I listened to your s~~~ anyway and responded directly to it — which is a courtesy extended to you which you are not even willing to return.

You provided a personal opinion and said something is not true.

I provided links, video evidence, examples and testimony which shows that it IS true – elevating my response to MORE than just “a personal opinion” while you provide NOTHING of the sort. Not even a willingness to acknowledge it.

If you want to keep believing that you’ll get laid by sitting back and doing nothing, suit yourself.

Frankly I don’t give a s~~~ whether I get laid or not, and anyone who understands women (with plenty of real world experience) can tell you this attitude seeping from your pores, dialogue and body language acts as a sort of panty remover all on it’s own. Think about it.

Bottom line, you’re wrong.

The only reality which exists for the narcissist is their own, and even when they are repeatedly shown to be wrong or misinformed about something, they will maintain their original stance, despite all contradictory evidence, no matter how compelling. And the madness is real. The narcissist will twist and distort reality to infinity in order to place themselves at the earth’s center. No amount of objectivity shall be allowed to intefere with this. This is your prime objective, and you will talk any amount of nonsense to achieve it. You don’t even care. There is only you, and your prison is a familiar, comfortable zone. It has walls padded with velvety self-deception.

May I ask how old you are….

Certainly. If age, sex , marital status, orientation, race or religion had anything to do with the merit of an argument.

But it doesn’t. So I’m afraid age is irrelevant.

….. and whether you’ve ever actually had sexual relationships with women?

Far more than you would care to believe, I assure you.
How else would I be so well prepared to inform you that you were so tragically mistaken?

But like I said. You don’t have to take MY word it. In fact, I would rather you didn’t.
There is far too much evidence anywhere else for ME to have to prove it to you.

In fact… all you’ve done here is shown that I could Upload 10 videos of me f~~~ing women and you wouldn’t even watch them.

That doesn’t say anything about ME.
But it sure says everything about YOU.

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Now… even though you’re not worth anymore than this, Im going to be “the better man” here and acknowledge that women are hardwired to RESPOND. For the most part, they do not initiate. They only RESPOND. So yes, persistence DOES work, but I already acknowledged that.

You know what else worked? Nothing but telling a couple of great jokes at a dinner party and wearing good shoes.
“OMG you’re hilarious! Are you seeing anyone?”. Not at the moment, sweetie. Can I give you a lift home?

No persistence required.

Maybe I’m just irresistible to women and never felt much of a need to persist or pursue them.
After all, I am taller than most men on the planet. Maybe that has something to do with it.

We all know how much women despise shorter men »
And since only 4% of men on Earth are 6’2″ and over, perhaps I am naturally advantaged that way.

But I also know that sending 10 text messages is not how to get 10 text messages from a female in return. IN fact, by not texting her for 3 days, I can generate 75 text messages in 3 days by doing absolutely NOTHING. And in those text messages, she is begging for a response and insisting that we get together…. with outbursts of rage (as shown in the video and audio examples provided). You don’t even need to treat her badly – or in any way at all.

Anyone who has had plenty of sexual relationships with women knows exactly what the f~~~ I’m talking about.

So I would deflect the question right back to you if I cared to know.
How many women you and I f~~~ed plays no role here.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[lasttrySpectator -13]

>open a f~~~ing window.

What are you talking about? If you mean clicking on those video, sorry I refuse to ruin my nice day listening to some screaming harpies. I don’t mind communicating by text, but no f~~~ing videos or podcasts. Sorry.

>The only reality which exists for the narcissist is their own

Projecting much?

Basically, here is the deal. You happen to be unusually attractive to women. I’ll take your word for the physical attractiveness, I can see you’re fairly intelligent (though massively deluded, however delusional people can be quite charismatically sexually attractive to women, I’ll site Charles Manson as evidence), and perhaps you have a good social personality as well. In the right social circles, a man like that can indeed get women falling over him. This is a variant on the celebrity exception I noted above. I remember seeing trashy-hot women (your type) lined up at the after-game keg parties next to the football players. All the football players had to do was beckon and the woman was theirs for the night. Maybe you’re in that situation of being massively attractive. For normal men, it doesn’t work that way.

Normal men have to take the initiative and be persistent. That doesn’t mean falling all the woman. Part of the seduction process is knowing when to hold back, distance yourself, act like you’re losing interest in favor of another woman. And as I noted, I know perfectly well how women can behave when they fall in love and I had such a case just this past June. And no, I’m not going to post the actual photos she sent (which I’ve long since deleted), and you don’t have to take my word, because as you correctly note, it is indeed common knowledge that women can go crazy when in love. But they don’t fall in love that easily, at least not with normal men. A normal man who follows your advice will get nothing from women beyond that initial indication of interest. No text messages, no sex, no follow-up indication of interest.

Not giving a s~~~ about getting laid is NOT a panty remover. If that were true, then women would be ripping their panties off for impotent old men, which is absurd. What is attractive is the vibe (attitude, body language, etc) that you have plenty of options for getting sex from other women. That you are a hot commodity, in other words. In other words, it goes back to what I wrote originally. Among the lower types of people, the most sexually desirable people are those who everyone else considers sexually desirable. Those inside this positive feedback loop find it easy to get sex partners, so they become still more desirable. Everyone else is in a negative feedback loop: not be considered desirable means hard to get partners, and lack of partners give an undesirable vibe. The only way to break into the positive feedback loop is a combination of “fake it until you make it” plus willingness to bottom feed for a while (like with that woman who said is good enough to shag but not good enough for a relationship) plus a hefty dose of sheer persistence. That’s reality, my friend.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

open a f~~~ing window. What are you talking about?

Just being poetic and metaphorical. Problem?

You happen to be unusually attractive to women. I’ll take your word for the physical attractiveness. For normal men, it doesn’t work that way.

Stop. I’m not “unusually attractive” to women. They don’t beat my door down or anything like that, and when I was younger than 25 my options were there – but scarce. But it really started ramping up at 26 – 35 with seemingly no effort when 10 years prior the same women would have preferred someone ELSE.

So as you can see,. I am not as “massively deluded” as you pretend. I am fully aware of my limitations and DOWNPLAYED my advantages until you got me thinking about them – and if I posses any at all. I even appended them with the word “maybe”. Twice.

Even my magically ending up f~~~ing a famous porn star (before she became a porn star) was a complete mystery to me at the time. Now I understand EXACTLY how I ended up with her — and it was by NOT paying attention to her. The audio example I provided explains it with absolute precision.

Try and wrap your head around that one. It’s OK, I’ll wait.

Now while I should probably not give a s~~~ what else you have to say, I was just reading your massively long intro because the BIG difference between you and I is that I am interested in understanding reality and others.

So Im afraid your lecture on reality is a massive failure here from someone who refuses to look at the very examples presented by other people.

Not giving a s~~~ about getting laid is NOT a panty remover.

Only if you’re over simplifying. But a take it or leave it attitude goes a LONG way.
Perhaps you have more to learn than you realize.

And PS… The little bit on narcissism was not “projection much”.
It was speaking about them in the 3rd person ON PURPOSE.
…..except when speaking of your unwillingness to care.

But if the shoe fits.

I didn’t tell you all of this to start friction. Im talking about it this way because I believe it whole-heartedly for good reason. You are not required to subscribe to any of it. That’s why I didn’t ban your ass. But if you are going to walk into my discussion forum you WILL acknowledge the points brought up or there is simply no point in discussing it with you.

Welcome to MGTOW anyway. F~~~ Im such a good sport. But I should really work on that.

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One good thing came of this, though. Perhaps I will conduct a personal experiment and see if “persistence” will actually lead to crushing more ass on average. It will be interesting,. Let’s re-converge here in 3 months time and I will give you a full report. This way, we can answer the above question “are we powerless in the dating world” with some accuracy and numerical stats.

So the days’ not a total loss.

In the mean time, I will leave you with this.
Do you think the girl would have changed her mind if he persisted??

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[lasttrySpectator -13]

YOU are persistent, as bad as me selling those fruitcakes, and so I did indeed click on that last video. Since it was only 1:11 minutes, I went ahead and watched it. Well, of course, persistence won’t help in this situation, which is obviously staged. The old woman in particular, though that probably didn’t impact the outcome.

Where persistence comes into play is if this guy continues to go up to women with this Antarctica story. Knock on enough doors and one will open. Or if he gets a woman into his car, takes her someplace, encounters last minute resistance, and instead of saying “f~~~ this s~~~” like I would do (my salesman days are over), he backs off for a while, then tries again and so on. That’s what I mean. Persistence, aggressiveness, initiative, call it what you will, it’s the people who get up and take action who reap the rewards in every area of life.

However, taking action has a price. You can’t be everywhere. Time, energy and money spent taking action with women is time, energy and money taken away from other endeavors. And for what? An orgasm that is little better than what you get from jerking off?

The other problem with taking action is that the woman might say yes, but be the wrong woman. Read some of the introductions by other guys. Makes me glad to be a wanker and thus have avoided all that judicial system raping. Go ahead and laugh at me, if you want. I’m feeling like the luckiest guy in the world this Thanksgiving day, counting my blessings that I am all alone (other than for the semi-pro who I’ll be giving walking papers to soon because she is not cooperating properly).

And here’s a parting thought for you. Sexual pleasure has little to do with the woman’s physical attractiveness. The biggest component in sexual pleasure is how long since your last orgasm and how well you can control your orgasm. Your body is what matters, in other words, not the woman’s body. Learning to be a multi-orgasmic male is a biggie, BTW. Second biggest factor is the emotional interaction between man and woman. Sex is mostly between the ears, as the old saying goes. I’d much rather have sex with a not so great looking woman whose personality I am compatible with, than a beautiful one whose personality I can’t stand. The second best sex of my life was with a woman who was 62 when I was 39 and who I last had sex with when she was 66 and I was 43. Turn off the lights and her body was no different from that of a young woman (she was on hormone replacement therapy, that does make a big diff for older women). Who cares if her face was wrinkled?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Goddam right I’m persistent. This website wouldn’t even exist otherwise.

Persistence, aggressiveness, initiative, call it what you will, it’s the people who get up and take action who reap the rewards in every area of life.

Thank you for making my point. Except for implying sex with a female is some kind of a “reward”. This is precisely how I handle “rejection” and what makes it meaningless. If sex were a “reward” then the rejection of it would be a devastating blow. More men need to aggressively adopt this attitude (rather than thinking of sex with women as a “reward” – or not having sex as a “loss”) and embrace a take-it-or-leave-it attitude. It’s not only my “opinion”. It’s a requirement.

NOW, do you see how a “take it or leave it attitude” pays better?

Pursue and persist with things that PAY… and you won’t have to persist or pursue women.
They will pursue YOU, and your next big problem will be getting rid of them all.

To quote you from your own intro….

The PUA-shaming about being afraid of rejection makes me laugh

For once, you and I are in total agreement.

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Happy Thanksgiving

…. even though you can’t be bothered to listen to it.

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If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[lasttrySpectator -13]

Much as I hate podcasts, I went ahead and listened to that first one you linked to (about putting the woman on ice), since this discussion has gone on quite a ways. (You wrote “don’t take MY word for it”, so whose podcast is it?)

There are all sorts of personalities out there. The drama queen (enjoys playing the victim, loves to have something to complain of, will get bored and provoke a quarrel if you treat them nice and leave for someone who gives them the rough treatment they crave) is just one of these types.  Maybe the drama queen type is more common among women than the other types, but not all women are drama queens, I can assure you. Other types would include: (a) dominatrix women. I’m not submissive, so women like that clash hard with me and I’ve never had sex with one, but they do exist, and they are in high demand if they are good-looking. (b) conquering seductresses, who like to rack up notch counts like men; (c) very feminine women who respond well to being treated nicely. These women dominate in conservative areas of the country. Happy stay at home mothers fall into this category, though there are also women like this who don’t want children, but just want to be treated like a man’s sex kitten. This last is the type of woman I want; (d) very sensual women, who lust after men’s bodies; (e) women who resemble low-testosterone males and are probably most compatible with the same, if they are not lesbians. On and on it goes. This is just a tiny sample of the personalities out there. I probably can’t even recognize most of the personalities, because they are so incompatible with me that they fall off my radar screen.

Maybe there are men who gain energy and happiness from disciplining drama queens. I find them to be black holes of negativity who sap my energy. I don’t want them to love me and beg me for sex. I want them to leave me alone. The best way to accomplish that is to treat them nicely, all the things your podcast says not to do. Good riddance when they finally leave. That woman I met in June was a drama queen. I was rusty from my 10 year dry spell (plus the previous 4 years with that older woman, who is most definitely not a drama queen) and so it took a while to see what I was getting into. It didn’t take too long to dismiss her however, just about a month from first date to break-up. Yes indeed, she went hysterical and started begging for sex after the break-up. In fact, the last time I was at her house, probably she anticipated the break-up and was practically begging to get it in the ass, preferably hard and without lubricant, hence all those crazy texts about “s~~~ting blood about my ass from your verbal abuse”–take out the word verbal and you see what she really wanted. Why should I stick my dick in that horrible creature’s ass rather than masturbate? She’s actually good looking for a woman of 50. Maybe someday if we meet in person I’ll hook you up with her, since you appear to enjoy disciplining these drama queen types. (Just kidding 🙂

[TheNinjaUWannaH8Participant 386]

Lasttry…

Your Punkass ain’t contributing SHIET to this MGTOW forum….so

I Ask KEYMASTER to render this Muthaf~~~a a Spectator.

KHMFAO

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Done. Thanks Ninja.

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If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TyberiusParticipant 25]

Keymaster, you are much too polite. Said with admiration because I just don’t have the patience for characters like this. Give them any rope and they take a mile. Nice way to close it though.

[PhilosophigusParticipant 36]

@keymaster F~~~in’Aye brotha

Showing little to no interest at all drives all women crazy..

what drives women insane is ignoring them.. does this work? YES! and many many times I have changed their game around on them..

example..

I was at a bar with a few of my bro’s, saw this cute little thing, an 8, walked up and started talking to her, was cool for 5min then she had the nerve (because we barely spoke) to say “so you going to buy me a drink?”  I laughed and said.. “buy your own damn drinks” and walked away back to my friends. As I walked back to my bros and chilled and had MORE fun LAUGHING at her dumb ass.

The look of shock on her face was priceless. Later (about an hour or so) coming out of the restroom she walked up to me being SERIOUSLY flirtatious (by touching me and getting all up in my personal space). She seems interested now, but yet I’m still looking all around the bar and barely at her, and still I walked away from her mid-speech “oh ya? cool… scuse me”.. as I walked up to another cutie and tried chatting it up with her, the other girl notices this and grabs my hand and pulls me away to a booth and she and I were making out (over 5min) and she gave me her number. Still haven’t called that bitch. Thirsty much?

My friends thought I was crazy, I just explained my logic and they laughed their f~~~ing ass’s off. Thinking I’m just crazy and I told them.. you want a woman? Act like you don’t need the bitch. Learned all this from my best buddy, drops them like worthless bottle caps and they keep coming back for the D.

Game on! The D is worth more than the V!!

[ManocalypseParticipant 321]

“Treat ’em mean, keep ’em keen”. Oldest, most endurable advice of all…

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Philsophigus:

 

Your anecdote about the bar reminded me of a secretary I once knew many years ago.  Apparently, she had the hots for me, but I was interested in someone else at the time, not that the secretary was worth pursuing.  When my contract expired and I was saying my farewells, she snarled at me:  “You really must like blow-up dolls!”  I left her area of the office, convinced that she had a screw loose.

 

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

It’s a pleasure when someone bumps an old thread so that those of us who missed it the first time can have an enjoyable read.

These PUA dudes… they’d have nothing to sell if regular guys figured out that the only three things a female wants are status, money and attention and the only things that really get her interested in you are fame or rare and stunning good looks, tons of money and power or simply doing your own thing and not giving a s~~~ about them.

They’re working real hard to convince regular shlubs that some goofy hat or glasses, a few lame table magic tricks and being a really aggressive asshole will get them laid, then collecting thousands of dollars from them for weekend seminars on how to use their “system” to make females want them. I knew a guy once… paid some peac~~~ in a pimp hat $6000 for the privilege of following him around LA one weekend while the self-proclaimed pick up artist “picked up” a bunch of chicks who were almost certainly in on the deal. Then this poor schmuck comes around to the bar where I’m hanging out and tries these PUA tricks on the females I know and they’re all looking at me like “eww, this guy is a total creeper”.

It wasn’t getting him anywhere but he believed so much in the power of PUA tricks that he just kept convincing himself he wasn’t doing them right and should try harder. Meanwhile I just talked to the chicks I liked, picked out the ones who I could tell were already interested in me and gave things the opportunity to happen.

Guys, if there are any of you on here, please tell us about your PUA techniques, how much money and time and effort you’ve spent polishing them and what your hit rate is. And I’m going to add a difficulty level here… that you made it with a target LATER than 16 hours after first contact. In other words, you let her leave your presence and then re-connected with her in a different situaiton and closed the deal. I’m of the opinion that most PUA tactics are essentially about dogging and badgering a female and throwing booze or bulls~~~ at her until she just gives in and decides it would be easier to blow you than to try to get you to f~~~ off. So if you were able to let one entire period of sunlight go by and THEN you got her into the sack, that would suggest you actually were able to create a sense of real connection and desire in her mind, enough to overpower her more defensive daytime thinking and the stories about your initial approach she’s already told her friends.

I’ve already stated I think the “Venusian Arts” are bulls~~~… convince me that I’m wrong.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I’m of the opinion that most PUA tactics are essentially about dogging and badgering a female and throwing booze or bulls~~~ at her until she just gives in and decides it would be easier to blow you than to try to get you to f~~~ off.

LOL!!!

That’s going on the quotes wall. Not f~~~ing negotiable.

lolzlozlzozlzozlozl

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If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Don’t try to understand women. Women understand women, and they hate each other.

I saw this quote in picture form on another thread.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Thanks man, though in retrospect I wish I’d said “booze and bulls~~~”.

Honestly, you should have seen this PUA wannabe guy I was talking about. He must have learned his moves from that guy with RSD who got thrown out of pretty much every country with hot chicks in it a few months ago.

I actually heard him run the Cube schtick on a girl once (yeah, I know a bit about it… I also read Dianetics, the Secret and the Bible… I’m something of a bulls~~~ aficionado). The poor kid couldn’t get laid to save his life… and this is in Japan, too, which is really saying something. Tucker Max has a better chance of being tapped to serve the sparkling apple cider at the weekly Jesus meet-n-greet in Heaven than this would-be PUA loser does of getting a girl to touch his pee pee.

So yeah, I do get a little toasty over here about this sort of thing, obviously. You know, if the females those PUA guys target are too weak to kick ’em in the nuts, that’s their problem… but I do take MGTOW values seriously and I find it highly ironic to hear some Don Quixote some around slinging s~~~ about how we are supposed to handle windmills.

[johnconnor777Participant 85]

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[johnconnor777Participant 85]

your response should be framed! couldn’t agree more keymaster

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

Good points all – well, except for lasttry – who is now in the history books.   All this talk about vag makes me think of a simile.

They say a woman’s vagina is like a Venus fly trap – but I think it is more like a penis guy trap!  

Sorry guys,  my brain hatched it and I had to share it.   (no, I don’t make money writing jokes – thank GOD!   I would starve!)

 

 

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

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Good one, Unencumbered!

 

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