Are we powerless in the dating world?

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  • #4835
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    Sword
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    When even the unattractive bottom of the barrel females can be swarmed with attention from beta males and manginas it becomes apparent that somewhere down the line, something went horribly wrong.

    When it comes to online dating, the one thing that has drastically f~~~ed us over is preconceived notions of chivalry. More specifically! the idea men must chase and initiate the first move, this is the foundations of an unbalanced “game” that has been exploited to its fullest at our expense.

    The reason in which we first created these unwritten rules is now obsolete due to the shift in power that now favours the female as the dominant species. Now I know what your thinking…….but try and explain what power we actually have over women in this day and age? And Lettuce be cereal, if a man hits a woman in public he is demonised and punished, but if the tables are turned he is laughed at and ridiculed.

    Our power is meaningless and holds no true value beyond pure aesthetics and in most cases…not even once.

    We now find ourselves submissive to the decisions of a female and the outcome of our actions will rest entirely in her decision, whether it be casual sex or a cup of coffee.

    To further complicate matters and create even more unbalance is the sheer amount of competition you are up against.

    The layers upon layers of makeup that these females wear has significantly affected the playing field and made the game almost unplayable for the less attractive males who would otherwise stand a fair chance at meeting someone they could be happy with.

    This has led to men being willing to offer financial security for a piece of the action, which In turn has created a domino effect causing many of the more desirable females to pursue this as well.

    For many of us, We are playing a game we can’t win, Many will fall and some may even give up all together and join the other team.

    We need to take action and stop putting these girls on a pedestal because as much as they would hate to admit it, they need us.

    #4864
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    Jambear
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    A very good assessment on modern dating. Unfortunately I do not think that you can reason with the betas, white knights, and manginas. They will have to be burned, stomped, and used before they can wake up. I would love to try and help them but I feel it would be futile until they are sufficiently tired of being taken advantage of.

    #4943
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    Keymaster
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    You had me at “Lettuce be cereal”. (I like this guy already.)

    Welcome Sword! Thanks for joining.

    Your bottom line is the bottom line. “They need us.”. Goddam right.
    You’re right, but you’re also only half right. (work with me here….)

    We all know “women are the gatekeepers of sex, and men are the gatekeepers of commitment”. That’s a fact. But here is the kicker: Everything women do, say and think is to try and convince us that we need (and want) sex more than they do, and they hold all the cards. They do, but only partially. It’s also a fact that women have more sexual partners than EVER BEFORE in history. Even guys who get laid only once in a while are enjoying more sex than our fathers and grandfathers ever did!

    If you ever got vagina for a few drinks, or a few dinners and didn’t have to marry her, then you just made off with the vagina your grandfather had to MARRY first.

    Sex is their source of “power”. But women are also sex-obseesed. Offer to buy a woman a drink, and the first thing on her mind is “would I f~~~ this guy?” she’s already thinking about sex (and wielding her power) before you have shown any interest in f~~~ing her – or made a move. But have you ever just talked to a woman like sex doesn’t mean a goddam thing to you?

    Suddenly her “power” is GONE. She’s COUNTING it. But when we don’t give a s~~~ if we get laid or not, her “power” is GONE. When I interact with an attractive chick and there is some interest, I talk to her like a guy. As if she has no vagina. She’s just another human. This freaks them out. They can’t handle it. And when you’re relaxed and look at your watch, put down your unfinished beer and say “I gotta go”… it’s GAME OVER for her. Now she has to power trip someone else. She can only pull this power s~~~ on guys who think she holds all the cards. The rest of us know better. She wants to get laid! Her source of “power” is relying on me to pursue it. But if we don’t, she’s got nothing.

    Women play poker like they are holding a full house, but when you call them out and make her show her hand, she’s holding a pair of 3s at best.

    You already know we are expected to do the choosing , the asking and the initiating.
    Women believe this too. They WANT us to do the initiating. This is GOOD thing which works in our favor.

    It puts us (men) in a position where we have a WORLD OF OPTIONS.
    If ONE doesn’t put out… another one WILL.

    And because women don’t initiate, their options are severely limited to “choosing” only from the group of men who FEEL LIKE showing interest.

    You follow?

    You have a world of options. You can approach 100 women and 2-4 will be responsive and have sex with you. But she can only choose from (and say “yes” to) one of the 0.1% of men who approach her and initiate contact. If no men approach her, she has no power. Simple as that. And don’t kid yourself, out of the few men who approach her and show interest, she doesn’t even WANT most of them. Women are too f~~~ing lazy to do anything about this.

    You know how many HOT women never get asked out or approached? It’s shocking.

    Look at the way she has to pretend to be in demand and fabulous.,.. when she’s pathetically clutching her phone waiting to get ONE text hoping ONE guy will ask her out on Friday night which she spends pounding down ice-cream with her cat. Power? What power? She doesn’t have any! Then she gets dressed up and goes out with all of her girlfriends and drinks and dances with THEM. She’s 28, single and in no position to think she has any power. She would be lucky to get one guy.

    So don’t fall for it.

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    You were right when you said “they need us”. More right than you know.
    They need us …. to buy their s~~~ sandwich. BADLY.

    The entire female modus operandi is about trying to convince men (you and me) that we want sex more than she does. But it’s bulls~~~. Complete bulls~~~. When a man figures this out, it’s GAME OVER for her. Behave like you can take it or leave it, and panties just start falling off on their own. It’s just a little switch in attitude. Suddenly she is wondering “why doesn’t he want to f~~~ me? Am I not attractive?” and they will practically jump on your dick. It’s an exaggeration but you understand my point.

    A take it or leave it attitude is KEY in this day and age.
    Women have over-leveraged, and her current price of pussy is NOT WORTH IT.

    The only time vagina is worth it, is when she throws it at you.
    And they will, when you don’t care anymore. MGTOW are laughing our asses off.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #4979
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    JollyMisanthrope
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    When you disarm a woman’s ability to manipulate you with her sexuality she has nothing else to to use to ensnare you. You can shift the balance of power if you have self control.

    The easiest way to look at it if sex is your main goal is to remember that you are basically going to spend x number of minutes banging this chick, hopefully have a decent orgasm and then that’s it. How much is it going to cost you to get you that orgasm via her pussy? Is it worth it? If you think it’s worth it then good luck to you, I hope she’s a champ in the sack. But ironically the more you make her want it by not showing interest in her the more her ego is going to want to prove that she is a champ in the sack. It’s easy to use their emotions against them if, yet again, you have self control.

    Just use male logic against a woman’s lack of logic and tendency to become emotional. And remember to end the encounter with “Don’t call me, I’ll call you!”

    The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.
    #5033
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    Deus Ex Machina
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    In the modern dating world my personal opinion would be that similar to one of a job application. Jobs, since the economic collapse are hard to find especially careers. Women put themselves in place of a corporate setting by which they have their applicants lined up, get a interview (date), and then make their decision based on how well the interview, experience that person has (i.e. did he pay her dinner?, is he rich?, and doesn’t have children, does he want children?, does he want marriage?, previous relationships).

     

    They’re one in the same, the dating world is not what out grandfathers or fathers experienced. in fact, i highly doubt our fathers could meet the criteria of what Women want nowadays. they want a sensitive man, in reality they want an asshole who will mistreat them and use them. They say they’re independent, they have a bunch of f~~~ buddies on the side (sometimes women), who fixes their sinks when it breaks, or helps with their cars when it breaks down.

     

    What I’ve noticed in the dating world, is that there is an Air to women, just like a large corporation would be. To most women it’s more about “hey if you can’t provide what I want, then there are men behind you, lined up around the block who can”.

     

     

    As far as some men being controlled goes, absolutely. Just today i saw in the news about “women’s abuse awareness” in which Men walk a mile or so wearing women’s high heels!, yes….f~~~ing….high heels. What sort of message does that send to the younger men?, that s~~~ is acceptable?. My point is, Women cry Awareness, or Equality, but when the hell have we ever seen Women walking in Men’s shoes on behalf of the Men who are in abusive relationships?, or Women walking for Testicular and Prostate cancer?, which kills more men per year then breast cancer. We live in a double standard Misandric society, that mocks men in a very subvert way.

     

    In one aspect, these men are innocently going along wearing high heels because they actually care about the awareness, but to the women who organize these events, in their minds are saying “look at these stupid ass men walking in heels, ha ha!,  glory be to the almighty Vagina!”.

     

    My brother and I attended a sack race every year for the carnival, we’d win great prizes and it was tons of fun. then some Bull-Dyke comes along, fires all the men who did the organizing and decided to have “women vs men sack races” and “men have to wear a dresses in the race to be fair”, my older cousin objected to that idea and was kicked out and labeled a misogynist.

     

     

     

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    "If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

    #5048
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    FlamingMan
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    I would totally agree that women have the power in the dating world.  And for an AVERAGE guy playing the game these days is like John Connor fighting the superior Terminator army… you can win but there isn’t much room for error. Really whenever I watch a normal interaction, for example an average guy approaching a girl I expect the guy to fail. Especially in night clubs. When I approach a normal looking girl  in the nightclub I sometimes may make a mistake and the girl tells me sth like “I had many offers from different (or better looking guys) today”.

    Women have the power, but I doubt that they use this power wisely. I think many of them fail to recognize and appreciate the inward value of a man. If they would so, it would be much easier for them to find the ‘right one’ and be happy.  Nobody is perfect, but we as man have enourmes value in ourself by just being a man. We have qualities that you can rarely find in women. It’s OK because we are meant to complement each other. But if women disregard that value and instead only search for ‘superior’ qualities like wealth, looks, status and other qualities that are more spice than the real meat they have trouble. I see how girls who have choice end up single (because they can’t find the ‘perfect’ guy) or with terrible partners who hurt them.

    #5049
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    Keymaster
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    Women have the power, but I doubt that they use this power wisely. I think many of them fail to recognize and appreciate the inward value of a man. If they would so, it would be much easier for them to find the ‘right one’ and be happy.

    This is an absolute certainty, and don’t kid yourself gentlemen… a “no” from a woman is NOT a “failure”. We must all stop calling it that. What is she “rejecting”? Your attention? Your TIME? A free drink? Your generosity? An evening out on your dime? A eventual marriage proposal where you ask for permission to love her until death?

    “Rejection” from women is BULLS~~~.
    Its not a failure or a rejection.
    She is saving him the trouble.

    When you realize that getting rid of a woman is alot more costly than getting one to move in with you, only in a woman’s f~~~ed up mind does she think “no” is some kind of a “rejection”. You want to know how much power you REALLY have and how much she doesn’t have? Here it is. When you approach a woman for any interaction…

    You don’t know her yet.
    Therefore, she doesn’t MEAN anything to you.
    And since she doesn’t MEAN anything to you yet…
    Her “rejection” can’t possibly mean anything to you either.

    Congratulations. You’re cured of all rejection.

    As soon as you are aware of this, it’s not a “failure” anymore. Every man who thinks a “rejection” is some kind of failure, has just freely given his power away and handed it over to her. Women are so f~~~ing clueless about how to find a good / suitable man… but they are great at sucking criminal/ abusive/thug dick though. So what idiot would ever be the guy who tries to show that he’s the good guy? She wouldn’t know the difference or be able to identify a “good man” if he wore wings, a diaper, and shot heart-shaped arrows at her ass.

    Ask yourself, what is the reward for female acceptance?
    A simple sex act and a possibly pregnancy.

    I don’t call that “success”.
    Therefore the her “rejection” is no “failure”.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #5126
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    JollyMisanthrope
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    On a side note Sword, if you kept the sideburns and messed with the hair you’d have the Wolverine look nailed!

    The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.
    #5162
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    Sword
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    Thanks for the warm welcome bro and cheers for all the words of wisdom you guys are leaving, it’s very re assuring to know there are other men out here who can not only see through the bs these women are trying to pull, but who are actually taking a stand.

    #5195
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    Total Lee
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    The dude writes like Wolverine too. I have seen female forums before and there is page after page and Hundreds of posts and replies with one line responses of empty headed s~~~. Here we have 5 guys talking and everyone of them brings something I can take with me and think about for a week. Some real wisdom bombs here.

    #5212
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    JollyMisanthrope
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    Very true Lee. It’s extremely liberating when you get past the point of caring what a woman thinks of you and being able to resist her charms and sexuality. When you can look a 10 in the eye and laugh in her face and feel no regret and you don’t think “Damn I had a real chance there and I screwed it up” then you are in a good place. And ironically from what I’ve read this just turns them on more. Go figure. Treat them like s~~~ and they pursue you even harder. White Knights and manginas balk at this and want to call you “douchebag” but the proof is there. Rather do that then try and come up with some lame pickup line followed by a hundred dollars in drinks only for her to slip away to the “bathroom” and you end up going home with blue b~~~~. I’d call that guy the real douchebag.

    The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.
    #5230
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    Cap285
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    I don’t believe in the ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’. It has no meaning as women’s idea of what a ‘real man’ is changes with the herd, Hollywood, her age and if she’s on her period.

     

    That being said:

    Powerless in a sense, but that is do to women’s own actions as they have priced themselves out of the market. Couple this with MGTOW/red pill knowledge and you will see that it’s women who are actually powerless, more so than we are. The recent flood of shaming/I don’t need a man/Where are all the good men? articles and videos are proof enough for me.

    Their list of unattainable standards and constant validation 24/7/365 from social media has swelled their heads to the point of actually thinking Mr. Perfect (not Curt Henning) is coming along. Even overweight and/or post Wall hags think they’re 9’s. So, Joe average (myself) has zero chance of subsequent dates. Why would I want them anyway as she’s more than likely on her phone while were on the date. Conversely, men control marriage and LTR’s so as I stated earlier, they are truly powerless because they’ve done it to themselves. I’m 42, and let me tell you, most women my age are train wrecks. Physically and emotionally. You don’t want to see most women in their 40’s naked. Trust me.

     

    I don’t consider myself powerless for not catering to female whims. Dating is work and I get enough of work…at work. Everything has to be perfect.

    1. Haircut – Short and neat but never good enough so I grew my hockey mullet back

    2. Clothes – Neat and clean but never good enough. Thing I’m wearing a jacket to dinner on a first date? Think again. Plus, it’s hockey season. Hope women like jeans and Hawk jerseys.

    3. Shoes – Have nice shoes but never good enough. I’ve been wearing gym shoes my whole life. Won’t stop anytime soon.

    4. Job – Not good enough and I make great money.

    5. Car – Not good enough despite that it’s a 2013

    6. Residence – Not good enough as it’s not a McMansion

    7. Conversation skills – Not being good enough is beside the point as all most women can talk about is their ‘career’, s~~~ty music and s~~~ty TV shows.

    8. Height – I’m 5’11’ so I’m missing the cutoff by one inch.

    9. Fitness – Love it. However, I have actually been ridiculed for it. I dated a stripper (Didn’t know, met her at her waitress job) who hated exercise and said it was a waste of time while she had a tit job and plastic surgery after her kids were born. My ex: “Men aren’t supposed to have that many muscles.”

     

    F~~~ all this with a big rubber dick.

     

     

    They have all these things, as we called in the military, choke pointed to where if you try to squeeze through you will be cut down with a hail of M249 SAW fire (dated myself there). Sorry, but I will not be judged by her idiot friends because I wear Nike high-tops. Excuse the f~~~ out of me for wearing shoes to a cookout as volleyball and softball can be involved.

     

    Both sexes are powerless. We are at war and an impasse and I don’t see it changing anytime soon. Courting/dating is outdated in the now ‘hook up’ culture. 50 years of feminist snake oil has earned women the equality the so wanted and know they’re not enjoying it so much. Pricing themselves out of the market along with free porn, Netflix and modern gaming consoles and PC’s has put them in a hole that they can’t dig their way out of but dig themselves deeper with the constant shaming from the media and their own c~~~ holsters.

     

    You are the one in control. Make no mistake. MGTOW is on the rise and I for one can’t wait to see the results.

     

    Let it burn.

    Fuck this planet.
    #6360
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    Torch1980
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    Women are so f~~~ing clueless about how to find a good / suitable man… but they are great at sucking criminal/ abusive/thug dick though. So what idiot would ever be the guy who tries to show that he’s the good guy? She wouldn’t know the difference or be able to identify a “good man” if he wore wings, a diaper, and shot heart-shaped arrows at her ass.

     

     

    This is correct…also it doesn’t matter if he can box, kick box, trained mma, or was a powerlifter…when you show a woman you are a good/nice guy, they can’t grasp that these nice/good men are ALSO capable of whooping ass, can f~~~ good, or can be intimidating when its needed..nope they want a guy to strut, pound his chest, and “act” (key word “act”) like a hard ass 24/7

    "I think of a man, and I take away reason & accountability"

    #6607
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    MikeMc
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    I love the “where are the good men line”, my first thought is.. well out of your league honey if you can’t see the tree for the forest. It is so true that if you make it clear you couldn’t care less about their golden vagina they lose all power. They always claim media has tainted the image of a perfect woman but don’t even consider the concept they have for a perfect man is simply not possible. You can’t have someone who worships you while the same time doesn’t give a damn about you. Women really don’t know what they want and are two busy to take the time and figure it out. Well news flash, guys do take the time to figure it out and it isn’t you. Time for women to learn that true rejection is if you don’t meet us on our level we’re just not going to play the game. My self value is too high to allow myself to even try to fix your lousy female problems. If I want sex I will take it only if it’s affordable and reasonable to me. Your rejection just helps save me the horror of having to buying you drinks and listen to you gawk about your friends all night long. If you really want a free meal you have to bring more then just a poison personality to the table. If they start throwing their vagina at you then take it just like they take your free lunch but don’t buy into the treadmill of chasing down that golden vagina trap.

     

    #7847
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    RyanJames
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    Firstly, a woman who was interested in financial security would never be considered attractive in my book. Secondly, I once pitted 6 women against each other for my romantic attentions, yup, invited 6 of them on a night out, dinner (shared bill), and flirted mercilessly with all of them, it was f~~~ing hilarious because virtually instantly they started competing with each other like the bitches they are.  At the end of the night 3 were left and they all decided to walk me back to my hotel. One dropped out along the way and I arrived at the lobby with 2 of them. We sat down and had a drink in the lobby and one of them left after drink 1, the second was hanging around so I started talking to her about going up to my room and she was hesitant. What she didnt know was that the one who had left us along the way to the hotel had texted me and said she wants to meet me in my room after I got rid of the others. So I f~~~ed off the hesitant one and started what turned out to be a 6 month relationship with a great girl. We are still wonderful friends now and I see her every time we are in the same country.

    #8474
    Doc
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    I think seeming like we are powerless is a huge advantage. Women who think they call all the shots are in for a huge shock. I knew a lady who withheld her affection from guys and it backfired right in her face. All the power she thought she had counted for nothing because she did nothing and made no efforts. Nobody is beating her door down now and it’s because she thought she was so fabulous.

    The majority of female power in dating stems from trying to convince men they are desirable and unattainable and how they love to behave like men are not good enough for them. Look at the way they talk on their dating profiles. They think they are rejecting men they haven’t even met yet. They wield the concept of “rejection” as if its some kind of power but its not. Men have the power, because she can’t reject if you don’t make a move and their power comes from believing you’re gonna make the move. When you don’t, she’s powerless. She will think she is rejecting you just by not allowing you to buy her a drink. That’s not power in the dating world.

    #8476
    Keymaster
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    Chaos and MikeMc bring up a great point:
    “Treat them like s~~~ and they pursue you even harder. ”

    Good example of females not having “power” in the dating world – when they don’t even understand their own attraction mechanisms.

    If a man can make a woman respond better by NOT texting her back for hours or days, and then through some formulaic application of “game” to make her desire him for sex it looks like woman don’t have much power in the dating world at all. That’s why they say things like “I can’t believe I had sex with that total JERK! But I can’t seem to get him out of my head!!”

    Where a guy may have thought he was powerless, he just flipped her switch and it worked.

    On the other hand a woman has the “power” to make a false rape claim on a whim – even when no sex took place.
    But that’s not “power” (or strength) that’s just weakness.

    It’s like watching a 4 year old playing with a loaded gun.

    But if we are going to be forthright and totally honest, Cap nailed it.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #8832
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    “Treat them like s~~~ and they pursue you even harder. ”

    Keep dreaming. Ditto for ignoring women. A good way to be ignored by them. Someone wrote that he ignores women and the panties fall off. Maybe that happens with certain very low-class women, it won’t happy with the majority.

    What wins with women is sheer persistence. I’ve read some of RooshV’s books about his techniques. I have no doubt this guy is telling the truth, because what he describes matches my own experience. The way to get a woman into bed is to find one that is attracted to you initially and then hammer away until the deal is closed. Problem is, this hammering away is a bunch of bulls~~~. I cringe at the s~~~ that guy eat to get laid, just read the story of his supposed Baltimore triumph, representing the culmination of his PUA expertise. Eats s~~~ all night from a little bitch (“you are so NOT going to f~~~ me tonight, I hope you know that”) and then finally f~~~s her at the end of the night, a triumph of persistence over good-sense. No wonder he hates women so much.

    Reminds me of when I was a Boy Scout selling Fruitcakes to raise money for the troop. I was working on my sales merit badge back then (or something of the sort) and the counselor gave me a pep talk about how all life was sales, and even if I didn’t want to be a salesman, selling fruitcakes was an no-risk opportunity to learn what sales was all about. It’s not like trying to get a serious job after college, or get a woman to marry me, places where screwing up the sale would be costly. Who cares if I fail at selling fruitcakes? So try every trick in the book. And so I did. I literally stuck my foot in people’s doorways. I practically forced a free sample down their throat. I gave the sexiest smile I could to middle-aged women, made puppy eyes, anything to sell fruitcakes. And if they didn’t want fruitcakes, I also had butter pecan cakes as a backup….

    Later in life, I did selling in the computer industry to make my fortune.  I paid my dues and I’m not taking this sort of s~~~ with women, not when sex is a situation where the man does 90% of the work for 10% of the pleasure and vice-versa for the woman. I don’t resent this division of labor, I look forward to exerting my skills in bed, but a division of labor like that means the onus is on the woman to make sex happen, not me.

    #8835
    Keymaster
    Keymaster
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    Please. You don’t have to take MY word for it:

    /audio/how-to-treat-women/

    Where it really got funny is when you pretended this is exclusive to “low-quality women”.

    “Low-quality women”.

    (You didn’t have to say it TWICE)

    No amount of “persuading” (or persistence) is required. She has already made up her mind. She doesn’t need to sit through 3 dinners (or more) to “decide”. Perhaps Roosh needs persistence to “close the deal” because he’s not very tall or good looking, and he’s not particularly hilarious, riveting or entertaining. I haven’t seen a single video of him having any FUN or being particularly charismatic. Yes, he’s persistent and gets the bang, but even a great sense of humor goes father than persistence. So does success and good pair of shoes. Women are the sex that will decide NOT to f~~~ based on footwear.

    Ignoring works too. There is no denying it:

    Do you think she will want him SO BADLY that she will start smashing things for his attention if he actually paid attention to her? Does a woman throw that kind of a screaming FIT for more of your attention when you call 3 times a day, buy her flowers and take her out?

    Is she low quality? Of course. But she’s high-quality for some men to be willing to pursue her and persist – when they should NOT.

    She’s high-quality enough for a shag, though.

    It’s not just a one-off either. Observe how desperately a woman will want you to come to bed and screw her at 3AM even when you’re a broke, tattooed unemployed guy who prefers to play video games all day and night:

    MANCLUSION:

    Nothing gets women hotter… than putting her on ice.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #8844
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    First, I don’t s~~~ from anybody, so I didn’t spend more than 5 seconds on that audio nor am I going to click on those videos. I’ll read what anyone has to write, if they write full sentences and not text-speak, but don’t get in my face with noise.

    Second, she’s NOT high enough quality for a shag, at least not for me, based on your description (I didn’t watch the video). She appears to be  trash. You want to associate with trash, go ahead. I noticed a number of the guys in this forum are bitter losers because they hooked up with trashy women and then got raped by the judicial system. Serves them right for associating with trash and I look forward to hearing your tale of woe someday if you persist in associating with trash.

    Third, you’re just wrong. In fact, you sound as delusional as these trashy women you associate with. Trashy women want what trashy men want. Namely, whatever the other trash people want. Desirable for being desirable, in the same way a celebrity is famous for being famous. Circular reasoning and quite mad, but that’s what we have become. A narcissistic overly socialized society where most people are out of touch with their basic biology. That doesn’t describe me, which is why I really am going my own way, not just pretending to do so.

    If you want to keep believing that you’ll get laid by sitting back and doing nothing, suit yourself. Though such a tactic might work for celebrity types. And indeed, for celebrities, playing hard to get will create a frenzy in the groupies (whether male or female, a female celebrity can also create a frenzy among men by playing hard to get). For a typical highly attractive man, good condition, good looks, good job, but not a celebrity, doing nothing will guarantee nothing results. That’s just reality.

    Other the case of celebrities, the only time ignoring a woman get results is if she is in love with you already (actually groupies ARE in love with celebrities, even though they hardly know them, so maybe the celebrity case is just a special case of this general rule), but then you have to take steps to make the woman fall in love. I had a women just this past June sending me texts about killing herself after I broke up with her, then sending me naked pictures of herself from the rear bending over (“guess that’ll put a small on your face!”), more texts about wanting to get naked, texts about how I caused her to “s~~~ blood out my ass due to the ulcer caused by your verbal abuse” and all sorts of other manic-depressive craziness. She went on like this for 2 months after I dumped her. This is what happens when a woman is in love. Since breaking up with that woman, I’ve had a number of women come on to me and I ignored them for one reason or another. Guess what? Nothing happened.When I failed to respond, the women backed off quickly.

    In order for putting the woman on ice to have results, you first have to get her to fall in love, which seldom takes place at first sight. Just because a woman hits on a guy doesn’t mean she wants to sleep with him. It normally means simply that she finds his appearance interesting and wants to get to know him better, and only then will she know if she wants sex with him. A guy who doesn’t respond warmly to a woman’s indications of interest is telling her “you’re wasting your time, I’m not interested”. Perhaps he is in a committed relationship and not looking around, perhaps he doesn’t find the woman physically attractive, perhaps he is gay, perhaps there is something else holding him back. Any normal woman will immediately back off at this point. If she doesn’t back off, she is, ipso facto, not normal and should be avoided.

    Bottom line, you’re wrong. May I ask how old you are and whether you’ve ever actually had sexual relationships with women?

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