Are any of you married or in a relationship? (Man or woman)

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Several men have stated that helping women isn’t a good thing.

I am one of them. But I will still do it from time to time because that’s called “being the better man”. (that was invented by men too). This is how I live with myself. I always treat women better than they deserve. But allow me to put that to you another way.

In front of the market, I was stopped by some woman with a clipboard.
She asked if I would be interested in helping “stop violence against women”.

Response: “Of course! I stop violence against women every time I DON’T beat a woman. You’re welcome.”
And I left her there to think about it.

There are times when women deserve to be treated like absolute S~~~. But I still didn’t do it. That’s what I meant by “we are much too kind”.

And that’s called “being the better man” too.
I refuse to give women the satisfaction of calling me “hostile”. It would make them happy. And we can’t have that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Phil. Man your story is brutal. But may I ask you…. In USA if you are married you pay one 1.5 days of alimony for every 1 day you are married. If you are married 8 years… you will pay 12 years of alimony. BUT If you are married for 10 years(!) you pay for LIFE.

I don’t know the laws in France but at this point, is it really “cheaper to keep her”?

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Eric LauderParticipant 84]

Thank you.

I don’t like to use the word “women” because I think it hides the real nature of females.

Women is for me an honorific title, because it’s very similar to MEN – just only very few females deserve the great honor to be called “woman”.

I’m not discriminatory, and I’m very flexible: I think there are even some feminists who deserve the title “woman” – some very smart individual feminists, i.e. Wendy McElroy.

BUT “woman” is still and ALWAYS minuscule for me, and MEN is still and ALWAYS MAIUSCULE. 🙂

[Zoby TwoParticipant 83]

Keymaster :  I bought a safe and I hid it in my country parent’s house. I will hide a part of my cash in it then it should me ok for me to leave.

I must say that my wife is a good woman : she is a good mother, not a whore (I’m her only man, met her when she was 17, I am 6 years older), she has a job, she lets me see my friends … but she always criticizes me and she never apologizes when she’s wrong. That’s why, sometimes, I wanna leave her. Reading your posts makes me feel good. You said that we don’t have to pay attention to their feelings and their criticisms. It works. My wife is angry with me as I don’t listen to her. She talked about a divorce few days ago because she feels misunderstood. She tries to start some quarels but I don’t care.

 

But 80% of the time, she’s ok. That’s why for the moment, I don’t leave. But one day, she will cross the red line I know it, and I will telle her f~~~ you.

[Eric LauderParticipant 84]

@phil: you’re doing it right. Hiding your cash is the best thing you can do now. I did the same, but just only for 8-9 months before the separation – if I would have did it for years, now I would be a king 🙂

You can try to give her a chance, but, really, I don’t want discourage you, if she never apologize for her faults, I don’t see a bright future for your marriage, just only a bright future for YOU and only YOU! 🙂

To save a marriage both sides must agree they’re mistaking on something, and try to remedy – it’s quite easy to save a marriage if BOTH sides agree on that. But our society teach to females they are never wrong, and that only a MAN can be wrong. That’s why so many marriages broke. It happened exactly the same to me: she admitted I’ve improved my behavior but she said “it’s not enough” and, at the same time, she totally refused to even try to improve her behavior. This contradiction is very common among married females and it’s more a psychopatology than a rational choice.

Be patient, a day she will cry, and you will smile.

[Eric LauderParticipant 84]

@CrazyCanuck: talking about females is good, it reinforces our will to go on our own way. We have to deal with an entire world that AT EVERY TIME tells to us how much females are good, how much females are better, and so on. A proper reaction is indispensable. It’s normal and logical: i.e. in lesbian forums they talk ABOVE ALL about how much MEN are evil, rapists, animals…

How many times in your life a female helped you??? 🙂  Excluding your mother, sister and aunts, of course 🙂 Please, answer. 🙂  “females are smarter, females are better, females don’t really need MEN” almost all the world say EVERY DAY – if it’s so, why the hell they need OUR help??? 🙂

[Eric LauderParticipant 84]

@alexander: I don’t know what is MGTOW stance on gay MEN, I guess there’s not an unique stance on gay MEN since we are MEN and by so we haven’t a “collective mind” and “unique tought” like misandrists.
I can tell you what is MY stance: one of the worst errors of the misandrists is their apparently friendly attitude towards gay MEN, because gay MEN are the NATURAL ENEMIES of female supremacists – I mean: gay MEN are, in some ways, BETTER MGTOW than me, because they haven’t sexual attraction towards females – I’m instead more weak than you. Discriminations against MEN are based on sex, not on gender, that’s mean gays are – and they will be, more and more – discriminated just like heterosexual MEN by the misandrists: i.e. quotas for females hurt gay MEN just like it hurts hetero MEN, and so on.
Have you noticed I write “gay” minuscule? In such case mine is not despisement, I just want to point that gays are above all MEN, and their sexual preferences are secondary.
I wish you a lot of fun with other MEN, and don’t be afraid: I never heard about a MAN who falsely accuse of rape another MAN, or about a MAN who whine because shamed after a drunk-sex night 🙂 or about a MAN who whine he was “eye-raped” by another MAN. In some ways you, you’re very lucky 🙂

Nice to meet you.

[AlexIsAfraidSpectator 113]

@eric Lauder Thank you for all the flattering comments 😛 but I don’t in anyway believe I’m above other MGTOW’s for being gay, and feminists aren’t nice to me because they would never guess I was gay, I don’t act like those cartoonish, flamboyant, annoying gays,  I’m just a normal guy and plus I disagree and hate them and they don’t know I’m gay, so when  they use the “Wow you will never get pussy” I laugh at them and say yeah your right, why would I want something that bleeds for 5 days and looks like a train wreck of folded up skin,

Anyways back to the point! yeah I do admit I don’t have any false rape accusations, or sex shaming, or told I was eye raping someone, but I do say that some women will like accuse me of eye raping them when there laughing and giggling and yelling and screaming acting like wild animals…… when in reality I was staring at them because they were acting like a idiot, so I even being gay am not excepted from sexism and still deal with it, because I am a man :/ (well boy, I’m 15 years old)

And yeah you don’t know how many “If you weren’t gay Id so date you” or “It sucks your gay 🙁 why do all the gay ones have to be hot!”

[Sigma LondonParticipant 37]

@alexander. There are a lot of gay men following MGTOW now. One guy I spoke to said he was tired of being an accessory to a woman. There was and still is in some places a taboo on having gay friends because it is seen as a threat to a man’s masculinity. Well since our masculinity is not given to us by anyone I think you’ll find MGTOW accepting of your orientation. I suspect the reason you are not the flamboyant type is that you also internalise your masculinity.

Gay voices help to legitimise our claims and bring more men into the non-vaginal-fold.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

I just find it ironic that someone would create an online forum just for a bunch of single men talking about stuff.

 

1. Not all MGTOW’s are single. Do your homework.

 

2. We’re not allowed to have a place to vent? Women get to have Jizzabell and the entire renaming bandwidth of the God damned internet to lament endlessly about how they can’t find ‘good’ men, relationships or marriage? Or talk about the horrors of getting child support, alimony, half of everything else, a 1969 Mustang she has zero interest in and the ‘problem’ of not paying for a single drink or meal on Friday and Saturday? The endless amount of videos on YouTube by dating/relationship/life ‘coaches’ about what I need to be doing to attract the aforementioned parasites? What about the feminist articles and videos which basically portray me as having rape on the brain 24/7? Then of course, their is their support by their mangina and white knight enablers. Maybe I should turn on the television so I can see myself portrayed as a complete and utter buffoon who is incapable of doing anything without a ‘strong’ woman around?. What about the age old past time of going out with your buddies to have a beer and watch sports? Why is it perfectly ok when women get togteht to ‘talk about the issues’ but when we do it it’s ‘complaining’.  Excuse the f~~~ out of me for having a place to vent.

 

It also seems like there is a lot of hating towards American women, although I can honestly say that probably some of it is deserved because America’s dating culture sucks so badly (although not all of it is to blame on women/females).

 

Of course not. None of the following have anything to do with the blame:

1. Bullet point lists by post Wall women who offer nothing in return. Literally, down to the details of looks, jobs and what I should be drinking on the first date.

2. Financial and mental ruin from divorce.

3. Women who call us cowards yet fear to approach us firs as they truly fear rejection and don’t deal with it well.

4. 100% support from the ‘family’ court, white knights in blue, manginas and white knights.

5. Hostile college campuses.

6. Endless videos and articles about how we aren’t good enough or grown up enough or dress well enough, ad nauseum.

5. Hostile college campuses for the younger guys.

6. The inability to take their noses out of their iPhones.

Women have nothing else to offer besides their vaginas. They are the ultimate failure in a cost/benefit analysis.

 

MGTOW exists to help other men avoid the pitfalls of marriage, LTR’s and the danger of being around women in general.

 

 

I smell a spy. Where is the ban hammer?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fuck this planet.

[ncookBlocked -70]

I’m not a spy nor do I have any connections with any feminist websites.

 

I just tend to dislike dogmatic ways of thinking that don’t accept any different versions of “the truth”.

 

I’m happily single but it seems like some people here are just single because they’re bitter and want to hate on women.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@ Eric Lauder:

 

I have a lot of female friends. I actually have more female friends than male friends because males tend to like to rib each other and women just talk about life and s~~~.

 

I don’t date but that does not mean I don’t have female friends.

[YuriParticipant 185]

it seems like some people here are just single because they’re bitter and want to hate on women.”

Or…you know. If you actually took some time to read the responses provided to you, and maybe scoured the forums, you would find that many here are single because they want to be single.

What is it with you and constantly wondering why we don’t want to be shackled to a woman, or always making attempts to be shackled to one? If really being in a relationship is the only thing that seems to define a man for you then i will say that you are in the wrong place here. This is about MEN GOING their OWN way. Not Men Looking For Women.

The right man at the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

[RayBandakuParticipant 889]

Wow Cap285, you made some strong point’s to shut the spy up.  I don’t see him responding any more to our reactions.  I love this form because every one of you speaks from the heart for greater good of all men.  Thanks everyone for making a better man, so I can achieve all my dreams without women f**king it up for me.  Hard Lesson’s learned now it’s time to rise like a phoenix and live our personal dream lives without useless women distracting us form our mission.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@ Eric Lauder:

Do you like tigers? I actually like lions better, I find them to be more interesting and regal animals (especially the males), but I digress.

Do you want f~~~ tigers? Absolutely not and I don’t think I completely follow the metaphor as women and tigers are not the same thing, but for the purposes of this question I will say NO.

Are you aware a tiger can be dangerous for you in some situations? Of course tigers are dangerous. So are woman, but life is risk my friend. Life is risk.

Do you consider yourself inferior to tigers? Nope and I don’t consider myself superior to them, either.

Do you consider yourself superior to tigers? Same answer as above.

Do you think we must be human and gentle with tigers? As gentle as the tigers treat us, but self-defense is always an option (as it is with women).

Do you think a tiger can be your realization in life? Nope haha and neither are women. A realization to your life is something only you can create, women aren’t there to make it for you.

You can replace the word “tigers” with “females” – my answers are the same.

 

[ncookBlocked -70]

@ Yuri:
I’m happily single too, but the tone in these forums implies a lot of discontent with single-hood status. Now if people in here are content with being single, then more power to them. But like I said, the tone belies a lot of discontentment.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

it seems like some people here are just single because they’re bitter and want to hate on women.

“SEEMS LIKE”? Who f~~~ing cares what it “SEEMS LIKE”?

That won’t work. You will not get away with that bulls~~~ here. And here’s why.

/shaming-tactics/

You just spit out the number one bulls~~~ predictable shaming tactic women use, and it’s a f~~~ing failure right out of the gate. Pulled apart and deconstructed – the entire lot of them. And you picked Number ONE. “you’re bitter”. Pre rehearsed and pre calculated as regular and predictable as their periods. (Are you sure you’re not bleeding right now?)

It’s the first post on our website for a REASON.

There is a big difference between hating women and hating what women actually DO.
The passive acceptance of evil is not a virtue.

So cut the s~~~. You’re a f~~~ing failure at it. And this is your last warning.

/shaming-tactics/

/forums/topic/chivalry-and-mgtow/

You will read them and you will understand the difference between “hating women” and hating what women actually DO – or you are OUT. You can take that s~~~ elsewhere and go fist yourself with it. Right to elbow.

That’s what happens when you have “so many female friends”.
Their s~~~ seeps into your skull and it makes you stupid.

If you walk into a MADD meeting (mothers against drunk drivers) and see a woman who is p~~~ed because she lost her child in an accident. Do you f~~~ing open your mouth and say “You’re just bitter. It SEEMS LIKE You just want to blame and hate all drivers.”

Are you getting it yet?

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@ Keymaster:

 

If you want to ban me, you can go ahead and do it. I am not the one stifling debate here, though. (According to your own catalogue, which states that I am committing an ad hominem attack, which I am not because I am just saying what it “seems” like to me. That is not an ad hominem attack in the slightest.)

Do you want me to post a definition of an ad hominem attack for you from other websites?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I know that. I don’t need your permission, thanks.
If I wanted to, I would have done it already. Obviously not my style.

If you walk into a MADD meeting (mothers against drunk drivers) and see a woman who is p~~~ed because she lost her child in an accident. Do you walk in f~~~ing open your mouth and say “You’re just bitter. It SEEMS LIKE You just want to blame and hate all drivers.”

?

We don’t “blame’ here. We place personal responsibility exactly where it f~~~ing belongs.

/forums/topic/heres-my-intro/

/video/wendy-williams-teaches-women-to-trap-men-into-fatherhood/

Think about it. HARD.

You will make an minimal effort to understand it, or you will leave. On your own.
And if you don’t want to leave on your own. You will be escorted out.

Your call.

What things “seem like” to you, are not based in reality. Wake up and snap out of it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@ Keymaster:

What women do would be dictated by behavior which is influenced by society, correct?

For instance, aren’t jobs just a behavior that is influenced by our capitalist system and our desire to eat and what not?

So if that’s the case, why not look at societal problems? And if alimony is such a problem, can we talk about it reasonably and go list by list and say what’s wrong with it? I have a feeling that many of the laws (such as alimony) were instituted for a reason in the past so that women would not be destitute after a divorce (if it’s being abused now from its original intent, where are the statistics or the anecdotal evidence).

 

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