Are any of you married or in a relationship? (Man or woman)

[ncookBlocked -70]

It seems to me like this page is just anti-relationship, whether or not a person is in a heterosexual relationship or a homosexual one it doesn’t really matter.

 

It’s not like it bothers me, I just find it ironic that someone would create an online forum just for a bunch of single men talking about stuff. It also seems like there is a lot of hating towards American women, although I can honestly say that probably some of it is deserved because America’s dating culture sucks so badly (although not all of it is to blame on women/females).

 

Just wondering if anyone has anything to add this, insights, opinions, etc.

[Rock St.EddieParticipant 129]

Yeah some guys here are married. A surprising number of them. You can search for “marital sex” there was a thread about that. Some guys have girlfriends. Some guys don’t. This is Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) which you can find all over youtube and all over the net. This website is only a few months old and represents a collection of all that stuff in one place. The forum is only 3 months old. The other forums are much around older. You will find more of what you’re talking about over there.

Some “one” didn’t create this place. Thousands of guys from all over did. They are what MGTOW is.

[AlexIsAfraidSpectator 113]

Well,  I myself am gay, but I don’t follow gay pride or anything like that because it is apart of the LGBT or whatever it is, which is lead by feminists,

Now dating women is sorta prohibited to us MGTOW because we are going our own way and women will honestly just drag you down, through marriage, alimony, false rape accusations, making you believe you have to do everything while she sits on her ass,

many people have this misconception that all gay men have to be over sensitive or feminine, with me that is not the case at all, I can’t stand people like that they are super annoying and reinforce the stereotypes,

Now I don’t really know MGTOW’s stance on gay men, but I myself am single but if I were to choose I would have to introduce them to MGTOW value’s and tell them to stay AWAY from the LGBT community, because like I said earlier it’s just ran by feminists, but with homosexual (And I’m not being biased here) I think that two non-flamboyant men would be good for each other over a heterosexual relationship because two men can understand each other and it would be an equal household… but with a woman and a man it’s basically all those Ideals us at MGTOW.com fight against.. Having kids, having to pay alimony, losing everything, now if it’s two men you can not have a biased view because they are both men, and we all know that women usually win court battles and things of legal matter.

This is just my stance on it, there are plenty more but I’m just giving you my opinion.

[ncookBlocked -70]

Well, I just asked because there seems to be a lot of hostility towards women here.

 

Obviously some hostility is deserved, it’s not like I haven’t tried out the dating game myself. I guess I am just of the belief that it’s not just women at fault for creating the dating mess that American culture and society currently finds itself in.

[ncookBlocked -70]

You don’t think that in states where gay marriage is legal that there are complicated, legal battles after two men divorce? I don’t think heterosexual couples have a monopoly on unpleasant divorces haha.

 

Also, as a gay man yourself, you haven’t had complicated and frustrating relationships with other men? Because I’ve had friends who are gay and have sexual relationships with both men and women and they say that the two are basically the same way, except one is a vag and the other is anal. I mean, it’s not like the man or the woman are going to have that drastic a difference of attitudes in a relationship. Both are going to negotiate for levels of power, reciprocity, etc.

[AlexIsAfraidSpectator 113]

@ncook

I think it’s less complicated then heterosexual marriage with dealing with kids and things, but I will admit our relationships are normal but not like how it is in heterosexual couples, you are most likely thinking about flamboyant men, who are more FEMININE act like women and that is probably why they are more like heterosexual marriages, I’m not tryign to hate on heterosexual people, I’m just saying it’s more common.

And I have had complicated relationships, but it’s usually with the flamboyant guys, now guys who act masculine, I’ve never really had a problem with.

[RayBandakuParticipant 888]

Men don’t get to self express themselves when they are going through bad breakups/divorces. We all go through different stages, some of us might be very angry towards women in the beginning stages of a bad breakup/divorce then later we just want advice new MGTOW’s about the realities of real life issues with women. It’s nice to have place to express ourselves with out being judged or ignored. Every one here is free to speak their mind. We don’t hate all women, who only want to go our own way because of the injustice and pain women have caused us. I have been single for five years now after my ugly divorce, now I don’t hate women, they simply are irrelevant an useless and big bad distraction to my happiness and success in life. I feel a sense of duty to war younger men from making the same mistakes I made. Some times I have use strong language against women to make my point to warn men of the danger’s they will face if they let women enter their lives. I hope you understand now why we talk the way talk about women, it’s our self expression and a way to heal ourselves and help other men at the same time. We are brothers helping brothers. It’s a great thing to below to.

[ncookBlocked -70]

So it’s more the flamboyant or feminine aspect that you dislike? I gotcha.

 

By the way, I don’t mean to upset anyone here. I mean, s~~~, I got a lot of problems with the dating life, too. I have been single for almost too many years to count, but it’s not like it really affects my way of viewing women, though.

 

The only thing it affects is my way of viewing how American dating works (which is usually quite badly). Which is why I think there is an epidemic of single-hood out there in American society because people just don’t want to deal with the complexity/bulls~~~ of it all. I can’t blame them, I don’t like complexity either.

[ncookBlocked -70]

I totally understand Ray. It’s not like I have had the easiest time dating, either. And I haven’t even been married yet (and I don’t think I ever will be).

 

At the same time, I just don’t think that women are totally to blame, I think it is the culture’s fault. We have a culture that is not conducive and/or beneficial to healthy relationships between people (really of any sexuality, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual)

[KeymasterKeymaster]

You’re placing too much importance on the attitudes towards “women”.
Let’s remove “women” from the equation all together.

MGTOW have learned that a marriage contract/ relationship / cohabitation fails a cost/benefit analysis for men. A conversation with a divorce attorney can clear that up for you. It really doesn’t have as much to do with women as, say, the STATE. It doesn’t matter how we feel what a “woman” would do on a whim… when the state will support her. Whatever “she” does is not the real problem.

Now while your friends will say something like “gay and straight relationships are the same. One has a vagina and one is anal”.

The “anal” won’t put you in prison with a single 911 call wherever he f~~~ing feels like it.
A gay man doesn’t drag their partner to court for being “too nice”.

/video/ungrateful-women/

Now, since even a female JUDGE will have a problem with that, you can see how a man would too. Gay men don’t behave like that, and they don’t hold their hands out for alimony when they do it. There is a huge difference and it’s too big to lump them together like that.

By the way, you say you’re not a MGTOW in your profile, so what are you doing here? Do you belong to feminist websites too? There are too many stories here that men have left here about complete and utter devastation in divorce. They lost their kids and family, hopes dreams and futures and fortunes. The state feels nothing when that happens. You may not “think heterosexual couples have a monopoly on unpleasant divorces haha“….

But there is really nothing haha about it.

Let me know when that happens to a gay man will you?
He can sign up here and tell us all about it.

Ellen will muster up the tears to feature one, 2 and 3 gay teen suicides on her show because they were outed on Facebook. But when did she ever feature +1000 soldiers who eat a bullet very year because of a cheating army wife?

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ncookBlocked -70]

I don’t belong to any feminist websites. Trust me, I have lot of problems with the way modern day feminism presents itself, too. The main problem I see with feminism today is that too many of them say that men want to “keep their power and oppress women”, as if any individual man actually does that.

 

There’s just a blame game going on, and I’m personally sick of it. I don’t want to blame people, I’d rather just try to find solutions.

 

And yes, I know that the state has some f~~~ed up rules and regulations regarding marriages, and I understand why men would dislike alimony, etc. Still, you don’t think it’s a little base to lay all the blame on the women?
And if you want to attack the state, I’m all with you on that one. The state (especially the American one) is in a state of decline and we badly need to reform the thing.

[AlexIsAfraidSpectator 113]

@keymaster

That is some powerful stuff there, It’s saddening how many women betray there husbands, but not surprising.

[AlexIsAfraidSpectator 113]

@ncook

What you don’t understand is that women were really never oppressed, the only people that have been oppressing them and victimizing them is themselves.

[ncookBlocked -70]

To be fair, there are some husbands who have betrayed their wives, too. I knew one woman who was given herpes and she was faithful to her husband, it’s just her husband slept around and contracted herpes and then gave it to his wife.

 

The real problem is a societal issue, not a gender issue. Our society has put us into this mess, it’s time to change the society.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ncook MGTOW is a solution. And a terrific one.

We talk about what women do and we will never apologize for it. Don’t confuse “blame” with personal responsibility. The difference between a relationship with a man and a woman, is the woman will go out of her f~~~ing way to misrepresent herself long before the wedding. We don’t need to “blame women” when they will come out and proudly admit this themselves – while LAUGHING about it. It makes them positively GIDDY!!!

/video/the-quintessential-bitch-wife/

/audio/3-million-dollar-bitch/

/audio/andrea/

/audio/gold-digger/

We don’t ned to “blame women”. they advertise exactly what they are all by themselves!
Manipulators. Schemeing Theives. And Whores. All while LAUGHING about it.

Again. it’s got nothing to do with our website. This was produced by someone else. And we use this information to SAVE LIVES. I have personally stopped 7 weddings in 4.5 years (3 of them were assists) and I’m gonna continue doing it – to save mens’ lives. Nobody will stand in my way. Especially the f~~~ing bride. As you can see, I don’t even know her husband but I care more about him than SHE does.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ncookBlocked -70]

Men oppress themselves too when they don’t or can’t feel like they can express themselves emotionally.

[ncookBlocked -70]

Well, I have no plans of getting married anytime soon, but it’s because the institution of marriage itself is to blame, not women.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

No. The links I provided show that WOMEN are to blame. Not the institution of marriage . THE WOMEN THEMSELVES and THEIR OWN BEHAVIOR. If you are interested in understanding reality.. you will listen and listen GOOD. Since you want a solution, that would be the first step. Identifying the f~~~ing problem exactly where it lies. You can’t just waltz in here and say “It’s not a woman’s fault” when she just f~~~ing told you it is. That’s dishonest.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ncookBlocked -70]

How is it dishonest? Are we talking about anecdotal evidence here or actual statistical numbers? I will get behind objective evidence, but if one person does something to wrong another person, that’s just life.

 

Sure, it might be influenced by SYSTEMS and INSTITUTIONS, such as marriage, but once again, that lies the blame at the fault of marriage as an institution, not half of humanity.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Men oppress themselves too when they don’t or can’t feel like they can express themselves emotionally.

You have no idea about oppression. I was oppressed by my father. It is along story but that’s not oppression. Men can’t express emotionally because society has taught boys and men that being emotional is weak.

Well, I have no plans of getting married anytime soon, but it’s because the institution of marriage itself is to blame, not women.

You are only seeing only a tiny portion of the whole. I suggest you do your research before making these statements. I really dislike ignorant lazy people. In fact this is how feminists are like. Look at the false reports, women wanting to only date men with a lot of money. Women attempt to control me with sexual advantages etc.

Let’s not foret the death threats at AFVM and the Double Tree Hotel they received this year.
http://mgtow.link/cska

Heck even having sex with a woman can land you in jail. I guess you haven’t heard of #yesmeansyes hastag. Where a guy need to get consent when have sex multiple times.

Me: May I have sex with you
Her: Yes you may
Me: May I enter you now?
Her: Yes
Me: You still want it right?
Her: yes
Me: Can we continue having sex.
Her: no

Now she can claim rape because you can’t prove you had consent although you did.

Let’s not forget the false rape allegations. It’s anywhere from 41% to high as 87% in other countries. I think it’s around 55% mark.

http://mgtow.link/woid

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