Are any of you married or in a relationship? (Man or woman)

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Deflections don’t work. Answer the question. It is the 3rd time I asked.

If you walk into a MADD meeting (mothers against drunk drivers) and see a woman who is p~~~ed because she lost her child in an accident. Do you walk in f~~~ing open your mouth and say “You’re just bitter. It SEEMS LIKE You just want to blame and hate all drivers.”

?

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RayBandakuParticipant 888]

Well said KeyMaster, I agree with you 100% “If you walk into a MADD meeting (mothers against drunk drivers) and see a woman who is p~~~ed because she lost her child in an accident. Do you f~~~ing open your mouth and say “You’re just bitter. It SEEMS LIKE You just want to blame and hate all drivers.”  ncook should join female forums where they would agree with every thing he is saying.  I think he is confused about where he belongs.  This is clearly a site says “www.mgtow.com”  Men going their own way.  We are going our own way because we got f**ked big time by women we been with, it’s a fact, not fiction.  So naturally we want heal the major wounds women have left us with.  Here we are healing ourselves from the pain and heart break.  We don’t have any other place to go but great forums like this that directly help us recover from deep depression, financial familiars, complete hopelessness.  

ncook you are taking the side of the females based on what you are writing.  If you love women so much you should join their forum and praise them instead of coming hear and putting us down for going our own way.  We don’t hate women, we hate what they have done to us.  We question their character based on the injustice done to us men here.  We have a right to delete women from our life so we can live a happy life.  Hate or blame has noting to do with what we are doing here.  We talk about the truth of what really happened to us, it’s not a movie, it’s real facts.  I use to make $250K a year in my successful business.  Because of my own bad choice, I lost every thing I worked hard for because I gave up on life due to love faliure, heart break, my spirit was broken and I did not give a dam of being I live.  So I let every thing to my crazy selfish ex wife and walked away heart broken because what she did to be.  She was hart less.  After 5 years of pain and suffering, I am finally ready to live my dream life again.  This time I am making the perfect choice, no women will ever break my heart, because I value my spirit and I will not let it be broken my a selfish, useless, controlling, dishonest, narcissist woman.

So ncook you are not helping by saying what you say.  If you can’t help them you should go some where else where they will appreciate what you are saying.  There too many negative people in the world, we don’t what those here.  We are looking for positive people who will say honest things that will help us heal and move us forward.  You are taking us backword by praising women on “men going their own way” forum.  If don’t want to support our cause, I wish you good luck with supporting those women that f**ked us up.  Take care, come back to us if some reason you end heart broken like I was, we will still welcome you with open arms to help you heal.  Do good, help people or keep quite.  No one needs negativity here.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

One word was all that was required.

Yes. Or No.

And there is a reason he did not answer the question. THREE TIMES.

Zero willingness to participate in an intellectual discussion (or confrontation) is the first best indicator of a narcissist who is not interested in understanding reality – or others.

The only reality which exists for the narcissist is their own, and even when they are repeatedly shown to be wrong or misinformed about something, they will maintain their original stance, despite all contradictory evidence – no matter how compelling.

And the madness is real.

The narcissist will twist and distort reality to infinity in order to place themselves at the earth’s center. No amount of objectivity shall be allowed to intefere with this. This is their prime objective, and they will talk any amount of nonsense to achieve it. They don’t care. There is only them, and their prison is a familiar, comfortable zone. It has walls padded with velvety self-deception.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AlexIsAfraidSpectator 113]

@sigma London (Sorry for the late reply)

I have never made myself a accessory to women because to be honest until a year ago I was super terrified of them, I couldn’t go near one, and it was because of all the traumatic things I had happen to me by them, and when I started looing into sexism against men I found MGTOW because someone posted about it and I looked it up.. and here I am today with MGTOW,

I really do internalize and keep my masculinity, and I find guys the guys that act feminine act that way because that’s how society taught them to be… and that gives the idea of a “Fairy man” the ones that go around screaming “you go girl!” “omg that dress does not match those earings” Or what ever, and I  never will have a high pitched voice and prance around.. I’m more into tomahawks, guns, video games, and getting dirty unlike those sissies…

And  the main reason I came to this site is because I was fed up with sexism for myself and other men.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@keymaster:

I would not walk into a MADD organizational meeting and say stuff like that, no, because MADD has a clearly stated goal.

I don’t know what goal MGTOW has yet. That’s what I’ve been trying to figure out.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I would not walk into a MADD organizational meeting and say stuff like that

Then don’t do it here.

I don’t know what goal MGTOW has yet. That’s what I’ve been trying to figure out.

Take all the time you need to figure it out. You have the rest of your life. Best part is.. it’s entirely up to you. That goal is for you to determine and nobody else. It’s really not that hard to figure out.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@keymaster:

I answered your question below, I just can’t type responses quickly enough. No, I would not enter a MADD meeting and say something like “You’re all bitter at drunk drivers”, etc. Mainly I find the comparison to be a little bit disingenuous but if you could enlighten me on the reason for why it’s not so, I am all ears and willing to listen.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@keymaster:

Like I said above, MADD has a very clearly stated goal and agenda. I don’t know what the goals/agenda is of the MGTOW, besides independence as their acronym I would assume means. (Men going their own way, i.e., not blindly following other’s agendas without a very good reason for doing so.)

[Anonymous 14]

@ncook

My friend don’t you think that there is something familiar with the level of lenience you show towards women? I mean, you keep acting like the proverbial white knight and I’ll bet you never ever asked yourself why. Did you? I mean ever ask yourself, are women truly that innocent? No one here once ever said that its all women’s fault but you assumed that we are just another bunch of p~~~ed off masculists bitching about the gender issues while never accepting any responsibility ourselves, just like modern day feminists. That we are not and I’m sure Keymaster will be better able to explain our purpose here.

But I was more concerned about you. You keep acting like a white knight yet you say that you too have had bitter relationship issues in the past. I don’t think you are a spy. Even if you are I don’t think its a matter of concern for us as we really have nothing to hide here. But you are also a fellow man and a brother to us, so I personally don’t have any problem with you being here whatever your agenda is, if any. What I am really concerned about is you and the way you keep acting and I have something to say about that.

You sir are deeply indoctrinated by feminism. This indoctrination is generally so deep that people spend away their entire lives in blissful ignorance without even realizing it. Its a lot like prison institutionalization as elaborated by Morgan Freeman’s character Red in The Shawshank Redemption:

“These walls are funny. First you hate ’em, then you get used to ’em. Enough time passes, you get so you depend on them. That’s institutionalized.”

Trust me, I know what I am talking about because I witnessed the power and cold precision of this indoctrination first hand. My parents send me to a catholic missionary school with feminist nuns who loved to tell children aged 4-9 in morning assemblies that “boys were spawn of satan” and feminist teachers(female) who loved to sexually molest little boys. This level of vile feminist indoctrination turned the girl I first kissed  into a feminist bitch who would probably castrate me without a second thought if I were labeled a rapist without even the need for a legal conviction. You may not have had similar experiences but the institutionalization was surely there, maybe at a more elusive and beguiling level?

Also you keep blaming American culture and society but I am not from America. I’m from India and trust me, we are not that far behind. Anywhere you go in this world you will find that vile feminist indoctrination shaping innocent minds into manhating masochist sheep with fangs.

I once played a game(computer game) long time back. A Civilization like empire sim that had Feminists as a playable faction. Thats not such a far fetched idea..for a not so distant future.

Its never too late to change, you know.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@raybandaku:

 

If you’re able to find happiness by being single and by working your way back up to the 250k salary that you used to make, then by all means Ray, please do that. I am not here to stop anyone’s happiness.

[RayBandakuParticipant 888]

I can’t believe ncook, you don’t know what goal MGTOW has.  Are you really reading the forums or just skimming through it.  MGTOW is about different with different experiences coming together to share ideas and to heal and succeed in life after being hurt by women.  So every MGTOW man has a little different approach.  No one person can take credit for crating MGTOW philosophy.  So here is my own personl goal for MGTOW.  I just created a new topic on this.  The ten way’s to keep our goals as MGTOW men.  It’s my point of view, so don’t take it personally.  I hope this help clear things out about goal of MGTOW from my predictive.  Please read carefully, don’t just skim though it, so you understand.

My 10 Rules I Follow As a Proud MGTOW Man

1.  I AM IN-CHARGE OF EVERY SINGLE DECISION I MAKE, NO WOMEN WILL EVER TELL ME WHAT TO DO.

2. I WILL REMAIN SINGLE FOREVER, FREE, HAPPY AND SUCCESSFUL IN LIVING MY DREAM LIFE.

3. I WILL NOT EVER LET FEMALE’S DISTRACT ME WITH THEIR DRAMA, NEEDINESS, CONTROLLING, SELFISH ACTS.

4. I WILL FEARLESSLY TALK ABOUT THE INJUSTICE FEMALE’S ARE CAUSING TO ALL MEN.  I WILL ALWAYS SPREAD THE WORD ANY WHERE EVERY WHERE.

5. I WILL ALWAYS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CHOICES I MAKE AND PAY THE PRICE FOR MY ACTIONS.

6. I WILL SPEAK FROM THE HEART AT ALL TIMES, SHOW INTEGRITY, HONESTY, COMPASSION, KINDNESS TO FELLOW MEN.

7. I WILL BE A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR YOUNGER MEN TO FOLLOW, SO THEY CAN BE HAPPY, FREE AND SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE.

8. I AM ALWAYS WILLING TO HELP ANY AN WHO NEED MY HELP.  I BELIEVE GIVING UNCONDITIONALLY TO THOSE WHO DESERVE IS TRUE HAPPINESS.(MOST FEMALE DON’T DESERVE IT)

9. I WILL REMAIN A MGTOW FOR LIFE, TILL DEATH.

10.I WILL DIE FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IN, TRUTH WILL ALWAYS SET ME FREE.  GO MGTOW, LIVE LONG AND PROSPER.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I answered your question below, I just can’t type responses quickly enough. No, I would not enter a MADD meeting and say something like “You’re all bitter at drunk drivers”, etc. Mainly I find the comparison to be a little bit disingenuous but if you could enlighten me on the reason for why it’s not so, I am all ears and willing to listen.

Really. I asked you three times. It took you quite a while – and 3 attempts – to type “no”.
But while I waited for your simple answer, you responded with 4 paragraphs.

Don’t worry. You type just fine. “NO” only has 2 letters in it.

So now that we have established you wouldn’t do that at a MADD meeting, you will not do it here either.

And the day’s not a total loss.

Baby steps.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@Triklops:

If you think I like feminists, you’re wrong. I dislike their agenda a lot. Same with MRA. I think both movements are too divisive and don’t create a society I want to live in.

And if you think that I think women are “angels from upon high”, you’re wrong. I think women have a ton of flaws, just as many flaws as men do.

 

My problems lie with the state and the U.S. that most of us live in (unless some of the MGTOW members live internationally, which they very well might, I do not know.)

 

That game you call is Civilization II Gold Edition. I played the same game, loved the game. I didn’t like that scenario so much, though.

 

 

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@Triklops

Your reference to Shawshank Redemption… and being “institutionalized”.

Jesus Christ that’s uncanny: /forums/topic/hes-not-lonely/

I just left that as a reply a couple of hours ago.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ncook

We’re done changing for women. Done. They have to change now.
But MGTOW don’t really give a s~~~ if they do or don’t.

Cap gave you a list of reasons why. There are plenty of reasons all over the place to even question MGTOW. It should have been expected. It is perfectly clear why MGTOW exists. Women have over leveraged, and those days are now OVER.

Not into guided tours, but here is what I call the “MGTOW national anthem”.
If you listen closely you can hear the full orchestra of MGTOW in the background.

/video/post-feminism-man/

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 14]

@ncook

Ah yes ofcourse, Civ2 Gold. I really hated that scenario so I’m not surprised that I forgot the name. So I see you are a gamer, wonder what you feel about the Gamergate movement. You may not fully approve of it but you must admit, it was a long time coming. Similarly with this MGTOW movement, some of the members may be a tad extreme..but bloody hell, it was about goddamn time.

@keymaster

Noting uncanny here..

“Great minds think alike”

Thats just it 😉

[ncookBlocked -70]

@Triklops:
I’m not even sure what happened in GamerGate, although I have heard the term floating around in the media recently. It sounds to me, like from a very cursory look through on it at wikipedia.com is that a woman was perceived to have unfair access in the gaming world due to her relationship with some man who had connections in it.

I honestly don’t find it that controversial. These types of things are very typical in modern American culture. Women (and men increasingly so) try to negotiate power levels in a relationship. Honestly, this is one of the many reasons why I don’t date anymore.

All of the organic fascination that used to arise from dating has completely vanished. It’s all so formulaic and…disappointing, to say the least.

[Anonymous 14]

@ncook

That is exactly how Gamergate got started but now it has evolved into an anti-feminist movement that uses the same tools against feminists, like manipulative shaming tactics that feminists once used against them. An eye for an eye, does make the world blind like Gandhi once put it. But heck, the world is already blind, dumb and deaf so it doesn’t really make much of a difference.

You keep mentioning the term American so many times that it makes me wonder about my qualification to say anything here, since I’m not one. But I’ll still say that you are being too lenient towards women and thats not really something to be ashamed of. We as men are instinctively protective towards women, its in our genetic coding. It really takes a lot of time and effort and no less courage to shed that shiny armour and go out into the world naked and unafraid. Its a fact that men too aren’t exactly innocent but unlike women we don’t have a society thats centered around us to turn a blind eye to our faults.

We belong to the worker ant echelon and regardless of how hard we work its the queen ants who will always be the center of our hive just because they have the power to lay eggs.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@Triklops:

I apologize if my use of the term “American” offends you. I am sure there are lots of problems with Indian culture (where you’re from, correct?), but I am just critiquing the culture I live in.

I also do not see that much of a global “feminist” movement, but I suppose it could exist. However feminism is not the root of all the problems, that would be giving too much credit to it. Here’s another thing: If feminism was all about gender equality, why don’t they just change the ‘effing name already? The name itself has enough problems just towards its own stated goals, but I digress.

I don’t protect all women, I just don’t always think they’re wrong, either. I mean, if I had a daughter (which I don’t), I would still love her but I would just let her know that there are a lot of problems with feminism and that she shouldn’t believe everything she reads about it until she thinks critically for herself first.

That’s the real problem…not enough people are using the logical brain that evolution gave to us.

[Anonymous 14]

@ncook

I never said that your use of the term “American” offended me. I just tried to tell you with a little wry dig that perhaps you kept mentioning the term “American” that many times because you wanted every non-American to GTFO this discussion. I was just kidding and I apologise for not making it clear with a smiley 😛

<cite>@ncook said:</cite>

I also do not see that much of a global “feminist” movement, but I suppose it could exist. However feminism is not the root of all the problems, that would be giving too much credit to it.

I wish man, I wish.

<cite>@ncook said:</cite>

Here’s another thing: If feminism was all about gender equality, why don’t they just change the ‘effing name already? The name itself has enough problems just towards its own stated goals, but I digress.

THIS and so much THIS.

<cite>@ncook said:</cite>

I mean, if I had a daughter (which I don’t), I would still love her but I would just let her know that there are a lot of problems with feminism and that she shouldn’t believe everything she reads about it until she thinks critically for herself first.

Same here. I have a 7 year old niece whom I love like a daughter because I practically saw her grow up. But I refrain from preaching her anything because its her life and her choice. She must be the one to make all the decisions. Whether to take the Red Pill or the Blue Pill. The choice is hers, she must be the one to walk though the door. And there is no Morpheus in real life, atleast there wasn’t one for me. I made my choice after walking through a trial of fire and that the path we all have to take.

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