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[Mister Man SmithParticipant]

Yeah, I was writing a comment on one of her videos but she’ll just try to use it to play the victim, so better be quiet and leave her in her echo chamber.

She’s just bitter because in the US at least almost 50% of black women were never married, and 12% are divorced, so she’s just butt hurt for being alone and is trying to make a buck with her stupid videos.

mistermansmithmgtow.blogspot.com

[InfernalShadowParticipant]

Russky wrote:

I still watch me some Undoomed once in awhile, just because he keeps tabs on feminists’ videos and I don’t . I got turned off though ever since he talked s~~~ about conspiracy theorists.
Hell, I even listen to Sandman. Not because I agree with everything what he has to say, but because I enjoy to listening to contradicting points of view, even if I don’t agree with them 100%. I’m trying to keep my mind as open as possible and avoid falling to echo-chamber pattern.

I’m fine with that. I even watch stupid s~~~ from time to time. I hate Sandman though, because every video he makes daily is because he gets donations. Which is why he’s always contradicting himself.

[RusskyParticipant]

I still watch me some Undoomed once in awhile, just because he keeps tabs on feminists’ videos and I don’t . I got turned off though ever since he talked s~~~ about conspiracy theorists.
Hell, I even listen to Sandman. Not because I agree with everything what he has to say, but because I enjoy to listening to contradicting points of view, even if I don’t agree with them 100%. I’m trying to keep my mind as open as possible and avoid falling to echo-chamber pattern.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[LunaticReasonParticipant]

DoinMyOwnThing40 wrote:

I would like to know if any of you could relate to this.

I have absolutely zero ability to not only have any love for a woman……..but any kind of like for a woman. What I am trying to say here is that I still adore women’s bodies and have desires to do naughty things with them. But that is where it ends.

I was not always this way. I have been this way since age 27 and I am now going on 42 next month. And the older I get the more and more I feel this way.

It’s not so much hate, it’s just the complete inability to see a woman as ANYTHING but an object of sex.

I feel this way because I know what women are all about. Especially since joining MGTOW, I have my feelings confirmed about women. That they are f~~~ing snake oil salesman. That is what they are. Each and every last one of them. Not only that but they don’t have the guts to be honest and tell it like it is. No money, no honey. They can’t even be honest about what they are looking for in a man. They always say the same old bull s~~~. “I don’t care about money or muscles I just like a guy who will treat me right and be good friend.”

Most women reading this will think that I am just a sore loser. When in fact, that is not the case. The reason I feel no love or even like for women is because I can not have any feelings for someone who I know damn well is not a genuine person. Women are never genuine people.

I can completely relate and its one of the reasons that lead me to becoming Mgtow.

I don’t love women as a whole, I can still like a person as an individual whether I love someone depends on whether that person can love me genuinely back which unfortunately women nowadays are incapable of.

It’s perfectly normal to retain physical attraction to females, the mental and emotional attraction is what is hard. Feminist society makes it hard to do so however by shaming men for what is simply nature. It’s one the reason the porn industry thrives so well, much like the Geisha in Japan it serves to deliver a fantasy that we can’t get in reality. Your attracted to the female form because its not out to bitch and scold you, its there to give you comfort and to nourish your needs. Women these days have no interest in that. Women used to be the caregivers but nowadays its very disingenuous.

I’m 37 and yeah I feel the same way too.

One of the reasons you feel that you can’t connect is because Feminists make it so hard to interact with women they’ve taught girl to be self absorbed and to see men as the enemy to the point where decent interaction is nigh impossible. Female society only values men as symbols of status. Is he attractive, is he rich, does he serve my whims, or stroke my ego when i’m wrong. Feminism also teaches group think disallowing and critical or deviant thought. ie Wrong thought. Relationships should be equal not one sided, and if your not gonna be allowed your say than why bother. Your emotional and mental needs wont be met by people like that who want nothing more than an echo chamber.

The song Dear Future Husband by Meagan Trainor is perfect example of this and it just keeps getting worse.

It angers me when even if improved everything about me all i’m doing is serving someone else’s needs for someone who wouldn’t really give a s~~~ about me otherwise. Yet the standards of women’s beauty and how they treat men have lowered.

Why should any of us bother?

[LunaticReasonParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

In my critical thinking Asian American (required G.E.) course it is taught to us that capitalism is evil and while it is not directly said communism is the answer to equality. Not defending capitalism I think anarchy would be the best but you don’t teach kids to resent their own government which is what feminism is.

They trash talk the founders of this country and the ideology of it and you have to ask yourself if america was so evil to you then why the f~~~ did you stay.

People push and push for equal rights with a subtle hatred towards white men, the f~~~ing people that built this damn nation.

They teach you that the influence of communism had a positive effect when any contradicting political party that attacks the core ideology of the U.S. and our patriotism would be a bad thing. The KGB taught us Marxist ideology to weaken us and look at us now.

In class today my feminist professor that still lets ladies speak first said,

The present white society is still a toxic society for asian minorities.

(me) Studies show that it is harder for white men to get certain jobs because of the want to higher minorities.

Well when you look at CEO’s they are all white.

Yes but thats 0.0001 percent of the white population.

We will come back to this

Never came back to this.

She says her class is a safe place for opinionated views yet she only teaches her own and teaches it as it coincides with her cancerous feminist ideology.

Am I in dangerous water her brothers. When I don’t speak I feel like a pussy and get anxiety and when I do speak I risk other things that could happen.

My mother also works her so I wouldn’t want some retarded faschist thing to happen to her job. (she has tenure, your’e basically invinsible)

Well first off Capitalism isn’t evil its flawed but so is Socialism. The debate between the two is the needs of the many versus the needs of the few. The problem with Capitalism is that it’s meritocracy filtered through a hierarchical system. Ie. The trickle down affect. What is good about it is about rewarding individuals for their achievement, the more you achieve the more you get. However because of greedy people it has become the more you have, the more you get. Which leads people wanting equality and that sounds great on paper but when you think about it, its not. It’s about ignoring anyone’s personal achievements and silencing anyone who feels different by forcing a status quo on mass and what is worse is Feminism wants to make their agenda the status quo.

Btw I’m an Asian Canadian and well it can be hard for people of ethnicity blaming White people is a pretty lame excuse. Its unfair to hire people based on meeting quotas. People should be hired based on their skill set not their skin tone or gender. Yes North American seems predominately Caucasian in terms of wealth but the same can be said of any race within their own country. A white person would have a harder time in China or any other nonwhite country.

Honestly I find it ironic to have a feminist teaching a critical thinking class. I hate to say that you don’t have much say arguing with her isn’t gonna get you anywhere. Its the unfortunate reality of life where you have to take peoples bulls~~~ and swallow it. Her opinions however don’t matter in the end and all the class is doing is serving as her personal echo chamber. Get through your courses, get your paper and do something with that education, that is all that matters in the end. Because this is just another roadblock in life.

[bigboy83Participant]

Schemescape wrote:

Well at least we’re discussing things, I’ll ignore some of the sillier remarks and just focus on the discussion at hand. If I stepped on a few toes because I’m new so what? We can all meet up and you can haze me in the MGTOW forum initiation if that’ll make you feel better. If you disagree that’s fine but this place shouldn’t be an echo chamber where we all have to have the same opinions about everything. I see more effort responding to my points and that’s good. I’m not here to talk down to any individuals so take your ego out of it. I’m talking about men in general, not me, not you. Of all people men should understand this most, how many times have we talked to women and tried to speak in a macro sense and have them feel personally offended. Some of you are doing that very thing.

Facts are, most women don’t find most men attractive, how you personally feel about that is irrelevant. On social media it becomes even more lopsided, this may not be breaking news to any of you but neither is anything MGTOW have to say in 2016 but this is a forum so we’ll rehash things because maybe, just maybe we might find more personal solutions. I appreciate the input of older members because your input helps cubs like me and others because your involvement is ending and we have to deal with this crap for the next 30 years and it sucks.

This thread is obviously speculation, I’m asking for thoughts and ideas. This isn’t about your ability to get laid or my join date, this is about men and the long term effects of women’s rising(and unfounded) sense of self worth and what other BS laws might be implemented to further benefit them and screw us over in the process. There’s discussions about sexual consent and domestic violence where a man even defending himself becomes the aggressor. Do you think that laws that restrict a man’s ability to date will emerge that limit the amount of options we can have should we chose to date?

(Another example being that women are trying to make it illegal for one to lie about his wage to get laid)

“I’m not here to talk down to you?”

Who the f~~~ would say that, unless your a c~~~?

“I’m talking about men in general, not me?”

Hmmmm????

“I’m asking for thoughts and ideas?”

Why? Why do you need them? What are you going to do with this information? Your mgtow aren’t you?

“If I’m stepping on new toes, because I’m a new member.” Actually new members aren’t stupid enough to do that.

LIKE I SAID: TUNA ALERT!

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[SchemescapeParticipant]

Well at least we’re discussing things, I’ll ignore some of the sillier remarks and just focus on the discussion at hand. If I stepped on a few toes because I’m new so what? We can all meet up and you can haze me in the MGTOW forum initiation if that’ll make you feel better. If you disagree that’s fine but this place shouldn’t be an echo chamber where we all have to have the same opinions about everything. I see more effort responding to my points and that’s good. I’m not here to talk down to any individuals so take your ego out of it. I’m talking about men in general, not me, not you. Of all people men should understand this most, how many times have we talked to women and tried to speak in a macro sense and have them feel personally offended. Some of you are doing that very thing.

Facts are, most women don’t find most men attractive, how you personally feel about that is irrelevant. On social media it becomes even more lopsided, this may not be breaking news to any of you but neither is anything MGTOW have to say in 2016 but this is a forum so we’ll rehash things because maybe, just maybe we might find more personal solutions. I appreciate the input of older members because your input helps cubs like me and others because your involvement is ending and we have to deal with this crap for the next 30 years and it sucks.

This thread is obviously speculation, I’m asking for thoughts and ideas. This isn’t about your ability to get laid or my join date, this is about men and the long term effects of women’s rising(and unfounded) sense of self worth and what other BS laws might be implemented to further benefit them and screw us over in the process. There’s discussions about sexual consent and domestic violence where a man even defending himself becomes the aggressor. Do you think that laws that restrict a man’s ability to date will emerge that limit the amount of options we can have should we chose to date?

(Another example being that women are trying to make it illegal for one to lie about his wage to get laid)

[FrankOneParticipant]

Sorry, the link to the image of the tax distributions didn’t come through right — http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/03/24/high-income-americans-pay-most-income-taxes-but-enough-to-be-fair/ft_15-03-23_taxesind/

Everyone is reinforced by what they expose themselves to. I read posts by MGTOWs; it reinforces a MGTOW worldview. I read publications favoring small government; it favors that outlook. Is this indoctrination? Self-inflicted? And we are certainly indoctrinated into the socio-political system in which we were raised. I may have read small-government publications since I was a teenager, but I was indoctrinated into the US culture, attending schools, etc. And that typically impacts one’s outlook on issues. That said, I would not characterize anyone on this site as a ‘lemming’ or ‘follower’. Swallowing a red pill is anti-mainstream.

So what to do about this echo chamber/indoctrination? Occasionally read the opposition’s viewpoints. If nothing else, it will allow you to build arguments against their viewpoints.

Also, one other topic I wanted to discuss was compound interest. Exponential growth, in theory can continue if people demand goods that don’t consume ever more resources. http://freakonomics.com/2014/01/24/can-economic-growth-continue-forever-of-course/ As for the ‘paradox of compound interest’, I think this gives some insight into this — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j04hSOhtBZk — it doesn’t mean fiat currency is stable as practiced — with huge debts, eventually the interest will cause a collapse.

As far as the rest of it, State and local governments DON’T run at deficits in the US — they’re prohibited from debt, except on some capital projects like school buildings for which bonds are issued. So again, much of government IS funded by good ‘ole fashioned taxes. As for documenting the waste, you often can’t look up, say, what a specific employee makes (unless, say, the Mayor)… but I CAN look up readily, what, say, the entire Parks & Recreation Department salaries are in my municipality… So I’m not sure how much granularity you expect, but as far as I’m concerned, government spending is pretty well documented… Excessive, but documented…

[Spank The MisandristsParticipant]

El Cid wrote:

I’ll never, ever get married for reasons that can be found right here. And I have no doubts about the unfairness of family law and criminal law when a man gets accused of abuse or sex crimes. But just the same, I’ll call it out when I see something that looks a little one-sided.

How can it be one-sided, when you already are aware of all these problems?

El Cid wrote:

Would you rather have an echo chamber where nobody ever has a dissenting opinion?

We haven’t blocked you, have we? We haven’t tried to get you fired just because you disagree with us have we? So just because we don’t agree with you, it makes this place an echo chamber?

[Anonymous]

El Cid wrote:

I’ve seen the red pill and I don’t believe the hype.

Your words, not mine!
As far as an echo chamber, the canyon of feminism has been screaming obscenities for the past 50+ years, perhaps you’re a little to young to remember when I was “justifiably” a MAN’S WORLD! You reek of feminism! Wash up, or go away……..

[El CidParticipant]

I had a feeling I’d get some flack for this. I see the same evidence that you do. I see men largely being ignored or getting the shaft in numerous ways. But I don’t always see cause and effect the same way.

I’ll never, ever get married for reasons that can be found right here. And I have no doubts about the unfairness of family law and criminal law when a man gets accused of abuse or sex crimes. But just the same, I’ll call it out when I see something that looks a little one-sided.

Would you rather have an echo chamber where nobody ever has a dissenting opinion?

[VeniversumParticipant]

FrankOne wrote:

Veniversum: I think a lot of attitudes on guns depend upon where you live. I’ve lived in rural areas most of my life; everybody hunted. And I’ve surrounded myself with a lot of what might be called ‘anti-government types’. So they all believe in 2nd ammendment rights. As do I!

Even so, I don’t think there is some conspiracy to take away our guns for controlling the population. There are no armed revolutionaries or rebels or separatists in the United States, that are of any consequence whatsoever.

The Left, ultimately, is against individual agency in favor of the collective. So you as an individual aren’t responsible for your success or failure, nor your defense under such a paradigm. The Left, does not view the government as a potential threat, to be ever-vigilant against. So those are some of the reasons for the divide. Also, political correctness, dictates some of this debate. Let us say I am an editorial writer for a major magazine. It would not be deemed appropriate to say ‘We want gun rights to protect ourselves from a potentially overzealous government’, but that, and protection from criminals, and hunting and sport, are why people own guns. I also feel a mistake was made letting people out of mental institutions; they belong in the institutions or halfway houses if they are a threat to others. But it’s often difficult to make this determination. And somebody has to pay to support them — charities or taxes.

Most people simply inherit their political views and religion from their parents. It isn’t something that comes from careful consideration. Neither of the two parties has a very philosophically consistent platform. Republicans are against ‘big government’ but favor it in the form of social security and corporate welfare, and banning drugs and prostitution and defining marriage narrowly.

Democrats are all for free speech, except on campuses. They want special treatment for groups (identity politics) rather than equality, and try to convince people America is racist and sexist to an extent it is not..

The worst school disaster on US soil remains the Bath Bombing in 1927. Yes, 1927. 38 dead from bombs. And no evil guns! So no point in the Democrats or Mainstream Media ever talking about that one. So, conspiracy theories aside, shootings have occurred every decade of the 20th century. There are more of them now, with higher body counts, due to the media echo chamber. Stop the coverage of the shootings voluntarily and the problem will decline to historic levels. I personally, do not view it as that serious of a national problem anyway.

The Amish pay property and other taxes. They take deductions on their income taxes for children. Amish businesses are exempt from paying into social security, welfare, and unemployment because they don’t consume those services. They are also exempt from the Unaffordable Care Act due to their self-sufficiency. So they pay some taxes, but not others.

Yes, people often pass their beliefs to their offspring. More proof that people are a product mostly of their environment, rather than the cliche “human nature” argument.

As for a conspiracy to take our guns away, I have to say that the previously referred to “fiction”, written 25 years ago, is a pretty fantastic coincidence to seem so true now. Plausible deniability, none the less it does appear that the left is working SUPER hard to find any excuse to remove a gun from the populace, especially from those skilled in it’s use from training.

Collectivists wish for people to rely on the police state for all protection, which is absolutely absurd. Firstly, police officers do not “serve and protect”. They will tell you that they enforce the law, and many even get angry if you refer to them as a servant. Furthermore the supreme court ruled in the case of Warren VS the District of Columbia that the police are in no way obligated to protect citizens. There is no swifter nor more righteous justice than that of self defense. Police are really just extortion machines, and their primary function is to ensure that no one achieves independence of the economic system. This is why things like Hemp and Marijuana were mostly illegal, and substances like Alcohol and Tobacco weren’t. We can’t have people producing all of their own products instead of purchasing them, now can we? Tell them you had your stuff stolen, and they will laugh at you, but if you have drugs they will legally confiscate (steal) all of your belongings.

As for the school disaster, are you sure it’s not the massacre at Wounded Knee? That looked pretty horrific to me. It always reminds me of this photo:

http://www.theuniqueoutdoors.com/uploads/2/5/8/1/25815362/s908004461617976658_p57_i52_w720.jpeg

Yes, the Amish pay the piper, as I stated, it’s their religion

[FrankOneParticipant]

Veniversum: I think a lot of attitudes on guns depend upon where you live. I’ve lived in rural areas most of my life; everybody hunted. And I’ve surrounded myself with a lot of what might be called ‘anti-government types’. So they all believe in 2nd ammendment rights. As do I!

Even so, I don’t think there is some conspiracy to take away our guns for controlling the population. There are no armed revolutionaries or rebels or separatists in the United States, that are of any consequence whatsoever.

The Left, ultimately, is against individual agency in favor of the collective. So you as an individual aren’t responsible for your success or failure, nor your defense under such a paradigm. The Left, does not view the government as a potential threat, to be ever-vigilant against. So those are some of the reasons for the divide. Also, political correctness, dictates some of this debate. Let us say I am an editorial writer for a major magazine. It would not be deemed appropriate to say ‘We want gun rights to protect ourselves from a potentially overzealous government’, but that, and protection from criminals, and hunting and sport, are why people own guns. I also feel a mistake was made letting people out of mental institutions; they belong in the institutions or halfway houses if they are a threat to others. But it’s often difficult to make this determination. And somebody has to pay to support them — charities or taxes.

Most people simply inherit their political views and religion from their parents. It isn’t something that comes from careful consideration. Neither of the two parties has a very philosophically consistent platform. Republicans are against ‘big government’ but favor it in the form of social security and corporate welfare, and banning drugs and prostitution and defining marriage narrowly.

Democrats are all for free speech, except on campuses. They want special treatment for groups (identity politics) rather than equality, and try to convince people America is racist and sexist to an extent it is not..

The worst school disaster on US soil remains the Bath Bombing in 1927. Yes, 1927. 38 dead from bombs. And no evil guns! So no point in the Democrats or Mainstream Media ever talking about that one. So, conspiracy theories aside, shootings have occurred every decade of the 20th century. There are more of them now, with higher body counts, due to the media echo chamber. Stop the coverage of the shootings voluntarily and the problem will decline to historic levels. I personally, do not view it as that serious of a national problem anyway.

The Amish pay property and other taxes. They take deductions on their income taxes for children. Amish businesses are exempt from paying into social security, welfare, and unemployment because they don’t consume those services. They are also exempt from the Unaffordable Care Act due to their self-sufficiency. So they pay some taxes, but not others.

[BeerParticipant]

Veniversum wrote:

Because, Beer, 97% of currency is electronic. Again they do not fund anything from taxes, they fund it from printed money. Taxes are just a financial clamp. I’ve already explained that to you. That’s why when it is proposed that the rich get taxed, they yell ‘You shouldn’t punish success!”, but when a worker works over time, it bumps him up in the tax bracket which absorbs the extra wealth he created for his self. If you were working class, you would know that. After so many hours, it becomes no longer worth it to work over time.

There is no extra tax code for overtime. All that happens is you make maybe 1,000 dollars one week…taxes are taken out of your paycheck at a proper rate for if you earn 52,000 a year. If you work a ton of overtime and make 2,000 the next week, taxes are taken out at the proper rate for if you make 104,000 a year. In the end all that matters is your gross for the year…if you make 100,000 dollars and it was 50k base, 50k overtime you’ll pay exactly the same as someone who made 100k base. You always have the option to claim another exemption on your pay roll if your overtime tends to be erratic and you’d rather not have the government hold so much of your money interest free until tax return time each year.

If you actually had a job and ever did your own taxes, you would know that.

Veniversum wrote:

I’m not saying the government doesn’t waste money, of course it does. I’m saying that the printing press/database is the source of the money being wasted, not taxes. Get it?

Ok, and you are wrong. They collect taxes, spend it all, then borrow/print more to spend. Get it?

Veniversum wrote:

Let me ask you this simple question: Do you view me as an opponent for a debate, or a collaborator for a discussion? Do you seek to “win”, or do you seek to mutually understand the truth?

I view you as a broke putz who watched one too many youtube conspiracy videos who would rather whine the world is stacked against him then actually do something for yourself. You don’t want to mutually understand “the truth,” you just want everyone to admit you are right…you’d rather cry inflation erodes your savings, of which you probably don’t have any anyhow or you’d understand how easy it is to create other revenue streams with your savings like dividends and rental incomes that will out pace inflation…and even if we theoretically had 0% inflation people would still be interested in ways that their wealth could create passive income streams, and yes, I understand you despise people for creating passive income for themselves, because you obviously don’t even understand this is what everyone who actually plans for retirement does.

I agree the government running up debt isn’t in the best interest of the country, I disagree if you think that as an individual, having the ability to borrow money is bad.

I also don’t think a fiat currency is bad…its the excessive expansion of it that’s bad. I’m not denying that. If we steadily had 2% inflation a year there wouldn’t be any problems with it. The only reason I take this stance is because if we had a stable supply of currency, like as a nation we circulated 1 billion pounds of gold as currency, how would that work with an expanding population? We have gone from 100 million people in 1915 to 322 million today, just basic math here, if our currency pool stayed the same but our population more than tripled, do you think the rampant deflation that would have caused would be any better for society?

Veniversum wrote:

Do you not realize that the internet has become an absolute necessity now? Firstly, electronic banking is almost the only type of banking left. Secondly, if you are to apply to a job it MUST be done online. If you can’t afford a computer, your alternative is to buy a smart phone, which costs *considerably* less than a computer, and now days has similar processing power. A smart phone is no longer a luxury item. Furthermore, how is an employer to reach you without a phone?

See…you are the exact type of person I am talking about. No clue what is a need, and what is a want, but you certainly love complaining about being broke. No way in hell is a smart phone a necessity. A 10 dollar land line works if you need a phone for an employer to reach you, you don’t need a 100+ dollar a month cell phone package with a data plan. Or you could just get an old school cell phone that still works just fine…its what I use, my employer can reach me on it no problem, and I’m paying a lot less per month than a smart phone. If you need internet access its free at the local library, or for online banking most banks have a couple kiosks set up in the lobby for people to use.

Veniversum wrote:

Beer, this is simply not true. These discussions have been an echo chamber as to why you should invest, rather than save due to the loss of value over time because of inflation.

The original reply was to people not even having 1000 dollars in savings. If you are making 40k+, which if you look at income percentiles some of the 62% with no savings are making 40-60k+ a year(yeah I get it, not everyone makes this much, but my point is a good chunk of the 62% with no savings has no excuse as they make plenty of money to set a little aside), as its not automatically the bottom 62% with no savings…I know people making more than that who are living pay check to pay check, and I know people making under 60k who have a six figure net worth. If your excuse for not even setting aside a small emergency fund is because of inflation, you are a f~~~ing idiot, plain and simple. What happens when your car breaks down and you have 0 dollars to fix it, are you going to be inconvenienced by having to wait 3 weeks to fix it so you can save money to pay the mechanic because you were worried about inflation? You’d end up spending more on alternate transportation during that time. What if your hot water heater breaks? Are you going to take ice cold showers for a few weeks while you save to have it replaced?

Bottom line is, when you talk to people making 40k+ a year who are living pay check to pay check, they don’t say “I refuse to save anything because of inflation,” its more along the lines of I NEED a smart phone, I NEED a new car, I NEED at least one tropical trip a year, I NEED designer clothes, etc…some people just can’t differentiate wants and needs, which you just proved previously trying to act like a smart phone is a need.

Veniversum wrote:

their survival has been tethered to the acquisition of currency

*Yawn* back to this stupidity again. Go sneak off and live in the mountains somewhere and your survival is going to be tethered to acquiring food and shelter rather than currency, is your life going to be any better? What do you expect, we can all just do nothing all the time and food, shelter, clothing, and entertainment will just magically appear in infinite supply for us all?

[VeniversumParticipant]

Beer wrote:

Veniversum wrote:

The top 20% of earners pay 84% of income taxes? Hardly

Considering the top 20% own over 80% of the wealth I don’t know why you want to try to deny they pay over 80% of income taxes. Google it.

Veniversum wrote:

Just because a business pays our income taxes for us OUT OF OUR PAYCHECKS, doesn’t mean they are paying the taxes.

Yeah I agree. Too bad nobody ever made that claim.

Veniversum wrote:

Secondly, nothing is funded from taxes.

So why doesn’t the government have a pile of money from all the taxes they collect that they don’t fund anything with? The problem is they spend all the money they take in via taxation plus more.

Veniversum wrote:

It isn’t the case AT ALL that they “took a bunch of money from higher income earners and wasted it”,

Yeah…because the government doesn’t do this…lol…

Veniversum wrote:

You obviously have no idea how it really works, and you’re also buying into the lies and propaganda of “The Wall Street Journal”, which is representative of the people benefiting from the rigged game.

So google it…its a number you can verify from a variety of sources. But uh…I suppose some random youtube video is a much more reliable source we should all take as gospel.

Veniversum wrote:

The government is over 45% of the GDP now

What’s your point? This disgusts me too. I think we should have a more limited government and a balanced budget. My point earlier in the thread was that personal debt isn’t slavery, its a tool and some people are too stupid to use it responsibly, but government debt on the other hand is forcing debt on to people against their will.

The real problem is too many American’s these days just vote for freebies. Its not the libertarians or the tea party folk who are the problem, its the give me free s~~~ now and I don’t care about the future repercussions type people that are the problem. Why do you think Bernie Sanders is so popular among the college age crowd…he wants to pay all their student loans! The guy literally wants to increase spending by 17 trillion over the next decade…no credible talk of decreasing the deficit(other then generic f~~~ the rich propaganda)…just more debt and more spending to give people free s~~~! Its not the rich or the elites f~~~ing society…its society getting exactly what they vote for.

Ok, Beer. I will address these one at a time:

Firstly, statistics can be fabricated. Using statistics that were provided to you by the ruling class, to support the ruling class, is just naive. They are going to tell you what they want you to think.

“So why doesn’t the government have a pile of money from all the taxes they collect that they don’t fund anything with? The problem is they spend all the money they take in via taxation plus more.” Because, Beer, 97% of currency is electronic. Again they do not fund anything from taxes, they fund it from printed money. Taxes are just a financial clamp. I’ve already explained that to you. That’s why when it is proposed that the rich get taxed, they yell ‘You shouldn’t punish success!”, but when a worker works over time, it bumps him up in the tax bracket which absorbs the extra wealth he created for his self. If you were working class, you would know that. After so many hours, it becomes no longer worth it to work over time.

“Yeah…because the government doesn’t do this…lol…”
I’m not saying the government doesn’t waste money, of course it does. I’m saying that the printing press/database is the source of the money being wasted, not taxes. Get it?

My point about the government being 45%of the GDP resulting from being funded by printed money is completely relevant? Why can’t you put the pieces of the puzzle together yourself on that?

Let me ask you this simple question: Do you view me as an opponent for a debate, or a collaborator for a discussion? Do you seek to “win”, or do you seek to mutually understand the truth?

“Yet 64% of American’s can apparently afford a smart phone”
Do you not realize that the internet has become an absolute necessity now? Firstly, electronic banking is almost the only type of banking left. Secondly, if you are to apply to a job it MUST be done online. If you can’t afford a computer, your alternative is to buy a smart phone, which costs *considerably* less than a computer, and now days has similar processing power. A smart phone is no longer a luxury item. Furthermore, how is an employer to reach you without a phone?

“There is really no excuse to have no savings while making that kind of money other than you can’t differentiate between wants and needs.”

Beer, this is simply not true. These discussions have been an echo chamber as to why you should invest, rather than save due to the loss of value over time because of inflation. In addition, mandatory and compulsory artificial costs and taxes continue to be implemented that discourage savings, and do you know why? Because Keynesian economics, that’s why. If the spending stops, the economy collapses. Spend spend spend. The government punishes spending because a fiat system necessitates it. As for the lower class, they barely earn enough to eat, pay rent, insurance, phone bill, etc and simply do not make enough money to generate a surplus that could start a savings account. A $50k salary isn’t as common place as you might believe. In some places, you can hardly find a job that pays more than $12/hr. People who don’t have the means to break the financial restraints that are placed on acquiring education to qualify themselves for $50,000 jobs are stuck taking what they get because their survival has been tethered to the acquisition of currency. As for federal lands, and the properties I was talking about, see the other post “A Few Words in Favor of Fiat Currency”, because I posted an explanation there, and I’m not going to repost it here. This jumping back and forth discussing the same thing on two different posts has become tedious.

[Zuberi TauParticipant]

And once again, I am convinced that huffpo is ran by an echo chamber of brainless t~~~s.

R.Kelly was right to walk off the set.

[Tiga KParticipant]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

If I tell someone to leave this site for acting like a c~~~y piece of s~~~, I will do so. If I tell someone to retract or apologise for a c~~~y post that denigrates MGTOWs for going their own way on a site explicitly for the former, I will do so.

I will treat Hotnoob as I please, and it is no business of yours, so bite your tongue and keep your stupid opinions to yourself lest I make you look like a fool.

OldBill wrote:

Sorry, I missed this part.

Cipher Highwind wrote:

Finally, I expressed my opinion as a man. If you can’t tolerate differing opinions maybe you need to find a cozy echo chamber to live in.

Yes, you did express your opinions as a man. You then went far beyond that.

After expressing your opinions and explaining why you thought Hotnoob’s opinions was wrong, you demanded he retract and apologize for his opinions. That’s a difference at work here and it’s a problem.

I happen to agree with your position on gays. I do not agree with your treatment of Hotnoob. In my opinion, in your demand for a retractions and apology you acted just like the whining SJW c~~~s who repeatedly attempt to shut down this site.

Cipher. Sorry, but you are the fool right now. Telling old bill to not share his opinion on a forum (which exist for sharing opinions) is ridiculous. Based on your need to go and make a post titled “In Praise of Homosexuality” I will guess you are rather emotional at the moment. Consider taking a moment to calm down and stop acting like an sjw.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant]

If I tell someone to leave this site for acting like a c~~~y piece of s~~~, I will do so. If I tell someone to retract or apologise for a c~~~y post that denigrates MGTOWs for going their own way on a site explicitly for the former, I will do so.

I will treat Hotnoob as I please, and it is no business of yours, so bite your tongue and keep your stupid opinions to yourself lest I make you look like a fool.

OldBill wrote:

Sorry, I missed this part.

Cipher Highwind wrote:

Finally, I expressed my opinion as a man. If you can’t tolerate differing opinions maybe you need to find a cozy echo chamber to live in.

Yes, you did express your opinions as a man. You then went far beyond that.

After expressing your opinions and explaining why you thought Hotnoob’s opinions was wrong, you demanded he retract and apologize for his opinions. That’s a difference at work here and it’s a problem.

I happen to agree with your position on gays. I do not agree with your treatment of Hotnoob. In my opinion, in your demand for a retractions and apology you acted just like the whining SJW c~~~s who repeatedly attempt to shut down this site.

[OldBillParticipant]

Sorry, I missed this part.

Cipher Highwind wrote:

Finally, I expressed my opinion as a man. If you can’t tolerate differing opinions maybe you need to find a cozy echo chamber to live in.

Yes, you did express your opinions as a man. You then went far beyond that.

After expressing your opinions and explaining why you thought Hotnoob’s opinions was wrong, you demanded he retract and apologize for his opinions. That’s a difference at work here and it’s a problem.

I happen to agree with your position on gays. I do not agree with your treatment of Hotnoob. In my opinion, in your demand for a retractions and apology you acted just like the whining SJW c~~~s who repeatedly attempt to shut down this site.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant]

Shaming language is used by females to keep men on the plantation. It is by no means solely or even primarily a SJW tactic.

I have no regard for his opinion because he has proven himself to be a c~~~y piece of s~~~ who is denigrating other men for going their own way. It is a shame his mother did not flush him, I sure as hell would have. Last I checked, this is a site for men going their own way, not for turds like Hotnoob.

Finally, I expressed my opinion as a man. If you can’t tolerate differing opinions maybe you need to find a cozy echo chamber to live in.

OldBill wrote:

Cipher Highwind wrote:

… your post denigrates a significant percentage of the population with shaming language. Either edit and wipe your c~~~y post with its c~~~y shaming language, or an apology should be appended immediately.

Jesus H. Titty F~~~ing Christ… If this wasn’t MGTOW.com I would have thought a feminist SJW wrote that.

“Denigrate a significant percentage”? “Shaming language”? That s~~~ is right out of the SJW 101 playbook. Hell, you even double down by “demanding” a retraction and apology. It’s enough to make one’s flesh crawl.

Hotnoob expressed his opinion as a man. If you can’t tolerate differing opinions maybe you need to find a cozy echo chamber to live in.