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OK ok. Maybe I was being a little to aggressive. I just misunderstood what you were saying at first. That is true, you do have to factor what she thinks when it comes to that.
are you a chia pet in man drag The problem that I have is that you focus on most men being of only average status in every way. Based upon my 46 years of observation woman in general are just as average even more so below average than men. You focus on the conduct of men being the problem. Most men today do not have the problem. Years ago in the 80’s women (feminists) demanded men be more family orientated, be more involved with the kids and men responded. Doesn’t matter millions upon millions of good men have been kicked to the curb. Disposed of like trash.Femenism goal is to change the rules every 10 or 15 years creating a total mind f~~~ for men and impunity for women. I do agree with you about how all women want the millionaire 6 foot 2 Chad Thunderc~~~. But what woman fail to realize is that these Chads will discard them and change the lineup with new and younger woman after they are post wall. You suggested that MTGOW’s efforts or lack there of are all for nothing Because there are too many men gunning for their attention and sex. But many of us just don’t give a f~~~ about women anymore. MGTOW is a self realization (red pill) that we no longer wish to give woman access to our time, resources, and seed. It is no longer worth it. The past three generations of men have stepped up to the plate and made changes to themselves to no avail. If I was wrong about you being tuna then I apologize but you came on this post with too many presumptions. Dating is an option for MGTOW men but the concept of dating I believe should be different for MGTOW men. And now in this rape culture world banging a female that’s had a few drinks is like playing Russian roulette with your life. Sorry for the rant.
"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything
I’m 25 and from a very young age I questioned why women were treated better than men. As a young boy growing up I saw the inherent misandry with teachers at school(male or female) and was skeptical of male/female relations in humans since then. When I was 12 and girls were developing physically many would ask for money from boys using flirtation as a tactic. Some would use their sex appeal to have the smartest boys do their homework, of course, none of these poor souls ever got laid. Instead the wannabe thugs and athletes did the majority of smashing. When puberty improved my shoulder to waist ratio and shot my height above the national average I realized scoring wasn’t as difficult either especially since by pure luck I developed a rather poor attitude for people due to constant fighting with said wannabe thugs and dealing with teachers.
Years later I look at how women respond to men, my friends, family, strangers at work, IRL and online and I realize that the average woman doesn’t seem to care about the average man too much. It seems that outside of competing in materialistic clit measuring contests with other women; that the main opinion the average woman is concerned about is a small segment of men in society. You know the rich, famous and extremely genetically gifted of our gender. It seems that if you don’t have a substantial amount of any of these qualities your sex life will consist of a lot of effort/grinding. Now every man has to grind with women even the ones with money contrary to popular belief. This isn’t the 50s anymore, even the best of us must use some kind of effort with women past high school.
The problem is, as it is effort will go a long way if you’re extremely genetically gifted but not very far if you’re more average. I’ve seen average guys on the street approach women and strike out consistently, they have to invest a considerable amount of effort and time for a lay. Fat guys who get hot girls pay out the ass to attract and keep said girls usually knowing someone else has or will smash with considerably less effort. Personality and social skills are quite overrated with women these days since it takes massive effort IRL or online to even get a chick to agree to hang out with you 1v1.
I hear of the tactic of ignoring women to make yourself more attractive but it’s completely useless if you have nothing of value that she wants. If you’re not rich, well off, popular or very good looking then you disappearing means nothing since as an average guy she has more of you available which leads me to the problem.
There’s too many of us. I make no distinction between manginas, WKs, PUAs, MRAs and us MGTOW there’s just too much average man to go around and it has devalued us immensely. Now I’m of the belief that in terms of general existence most men have more usefulness, talent and insight in their armpit hair than most women in their entire bodies but we’re talking strictly sexual value here sadly. The standard for men keeps rising while women’s standards keep falling. We’re at a point now where men have to be the rich, athletic, powerful, aggressive, intelligent superhuman, demigod offspring of Zeus, superman and Goku to even maintain a woman’s attention while the above average man has to settle for chunky, out of shape, chain smoking, unaware, dumb, boring, bland, no fashion sense semi dyke filth from tumblr.
Women can only value men when there’s less of us to go around, there’s a reason why myspace, okc and tinder was so a goldmine early on because less men were available, once things even out, men have to work harder and once more men show up than women, then things become near impossible. It’s what happened to night game years ago and it’s happening to online and it’ll keep happening until things in the environment get bad enough that women need men directly again or most men get killed off somehow.
I can’t tell you to give up, I can’t tell another man to stop dealing with women though a lot of you have and will because it isn’t my place. I’m just saying that for all the younger men like myself who continue to try to get laid, we’re in for a rough one. I’m probably not saying anything new at all and if I’m cluttering the forum then I apologize but I just want to invite some discussion and maybe we could find some solutions that I haven’t considered.
For sure I am not telling any man here the tired nonsense of self improvement for the sake of appeasing women to get laid. We’ve all heard that garbage and it only helps to reinforce the problems we’re facing now. I personally enjoy physical activity and getting smarter for the sake of it, if it gets me some booty thats great but whether I go dry for the next 20 years or drown in vag I’ll do it regardless. And I’d hope many of you think the same, do what makes you happiest since that’s the point of MGTOW if I’m not mistaken.
Why are you here?
What’s your purpose of this visit?
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
I’m sure I want to be here. I’ve never paid for a date or given a female any money besides my mother.
yeah, i was paying your mother too ! Hahaha..that makes you a MOTHERF~~~ER … tunafish !
Define “normal men” and “dating”, and “average”.
Perhaps I am a tad sensitive in my old age and see red flags where they do not exist.
However I digress, I rarely date, I refuse to marry again, and I will not give a woman a chance to take what I have earned away from me again.
So far most, if not almost all the women I have met have proven themselves to be untrustworthy, disloyal, opportunistic, spiteful, vindictive, immature, vapid, disrespectful, selfish, spoiled, over entitled little girls that are unworthy of my attention much less my assets.
The odd (meaning rare) woman that can entice/interest me into having and enjoying sex with her, understands that the “date’ and future extent of any type of possible relationship together is just that… its just for sex, nothing more as I fully understand and acknowledge that she needs me like a fish needs a bicycle.
Women need to come to terms and be responsible for their own words and actions.
I put a stop to being personally drawn into the games by simply walking away.There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
To add, not all of us are trying to get laid. I’m not. And I don’t care what women think. Really don’t care.
I can’t speak for anyone else and won’t try.
Now to your point. We being on social media hurts men who want to get laid.
I’d argue that the men’s lives we save out weighs the inconvenience given to the PUA and manginas.
I resent that you think MGTOW aren’t normal men. That is just rude.
Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.
Getting laid can be fun, but it’s normally too much work. For a short time of actual fun, you often have to tolerate hours or days of idiotic antics and unstable emotional outbursts along with, at best, child-level conversation. To make matters worse, to avoid bruising her ego you have to pretend that she isn’t pathologically insincere and at least borderline psychotic. It makes the time when your clothes are on pretty much intolerable unless you’re s~~~faced drunk. I might still do it if she asked nicely enough, but not if it took more than one date. It’s just not worth it.
"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin
If I can remember my college Economics 101 course correctly, it’s something like this:
In the general macro economy, when the average SUPPLY of a good > the DEMAND for that good, a shortage arises. The price of the commodity goes up, not necessarily in terms of $ cost, but at least in the intangible costs. When there are too many horny guys chasing too few women, the women get an inflated sense of their importance and value, so they raise the “price” by making the guys dance like monkeys to entertain the women. That’s a market distortion, and is subject to a market correction…eventually.
In a MICRO economic exchange, if the specific woman perceives the specific man as having a higher “value”/benefit to her (in money, sexual market value [SMV], etc.) then she can’t treat THAT man in the same way as the mass of other guys begging for her attention who she perceives as “lower value.” (E.g., you can’t expect to pay the same for a Rolls Royce as for a Dodge Dart.)
None of which matters to me, since I’m not in the market for a high mileage, high maintenance woman with an inflated sense of her own value, who wants me to wife her up. No thanks, I’ll pass on that “great offer.”
Now if you disagree use your big boy words and explain why. You’re salty response has me unsure of the difference between you and a lady.
I think it’s time for you to leave, princess…..
I get your point, but I just disagree with it….or just see it as irrelevant. I don’t know what the numbers are for men and women in social media or where you want to meet women for whatever purpose. The marketing material is leading us to believe that men are worth s~~~ while women are all princesses. Thus you have men that are willing to overpay, based on the hype, while women are expecting more, based on the hype. I suppose less men to women ratio would make the marketing material less believable, but it’s really the marketing material that’s the problem.
And I agree with others that you’re coming in to strong. That is what women do when they try and come in here. Doesn’t mean you are a woman, but you are dropping hints at that, whether you intended to or not.
Ok. Then do it.
Check out this video. It will answer some of your questions.
Why are you people harassing new members with your idiotic witch hunt?
Was thinking the same thing…I think schemescape is a man. But when your attitude comes across negatively (unintentionally), there is going to be conflict, fear, paranoia etc
TBH I disagree with a few of his (schemescape) points, but we are all individuals here and some level of respect is valued here.
As far as I can see, MGTOW is growing..so the amount of “thirsy” men of certain ages will dwindle as we get smarter to most female’s behavior/tactics etc.I say let these thirsty men make the mistakes? Let’s face it, this site wouldn’t exist if most men on here hadn’t made a mistake that made him learn a valuable lesson about the world we live in. Can’t force it..that’s what feminism does. We are different
Nothing wrong with a healthy argument here and there..haha we need a boxing ring! You just glove up, get in the ring, shut your mouth and give your all. After..shake hands and its DONE. That’s what my dad taught me, that’s what me and my brother do ALL the time. Its in our DNA guys..you all love a skirmish..its a corner stone of being a man. You learn respect and how to humble.
sorry got carried awayWhy are you people harassing new members with your idiotic witch hunt?
Was thinking the same thing…I think schemescape is a man. But when your attitude comes across negatively (unintentionally), there is going to be conflict, fear, paranoia etc
TBH I disagree with a few of his (schemescape) points, but we are all individuals here and some level of respect is valued here.
As far as I can see, MGTOW is growing..so the amount of “thirsy” men of certain ages will dwindle as we get smarter to most female’s behavior/tactics etc.I say let these thirsty men make the mistakes? Let’s face it, this site wouldn’t exist if most men on here hadn’t made a mistake that made him learn a valuable lesson about the world we live in. Can’t force it..that’s what feminism does. We are different
Nothing wrong with a healthy argument here and there..haha we need a boxing ring! You just glove up, get in the ring, shut your mouth and give your all. After..shake hands and its DONE. That’s what my dad taught me, that’s what me and my brother do ALL the time. Its in our DNA guys..you all love a skirmish..its a corner stone of being a man. You learn respect and how to be humble.
sorry got carried awayWell at least we’re discussing things, I’ll ignore some of the sillier remarks and just focus on the discussion at hand. If I stepped on a few toes because I’m new so what? We can all meet up and you can haze me in the MGTOW forum initiation if that’ll make you feel better. If you disagree that’s fine but this place shouldn’t be an echo chamber where we all have to have the same opinions about everything. I see more effort responding to my points and that’s good. I’m not here to talk down to any individuals so take your ego out of it. I’m talking about men in general, not me, not you. Of all people men should understand this most, how many times have we talked to women and tried to speak in a macro sense and have them feel personally offended. Some of you are doing that very thing.
Facts are, most women don’t find most men attractive, how you personally feel about that is irrelevant. On social media it becomes even more lopsided, this may not be breaking news to any of you but neither is anything MGTOW have to say in 2016 but this is a forum so we’ll rehash things because maybe, just maybe we might find more personal solutions. I appreciate the input of older members because your input helps cubs like me and others because your involvement is ending and we have to deal with this crap for the next 30 years and it sucks.
This thread is obviously speculation, I’m asking for thoughts and ideas. This isn’t about your ability to get laid or my join date, this is about men and the long term effects of women’s rising(and unfounded) sense of self worth and what other BS laws might be implemented to further benefit them and screw us over in the process. There’s discussions about sexual consent and domestic violence where a man even defending himself becomes the aggressor. Do you think that laws that restrict a man’s ability to date will emerge that limit the amount of options we can have should we chose to date?
(Another example being that women are trying to make it illegal for one to lie about his wage to get laid)
Well at least we’re discussing things, I’ll ignore some of the sillier remarks and just focus on the discussion at hand. If I stepped on a few toes because I’m new so what? We can all meet up and you can haze me in the MGTOW forum initiation if that’ll make you feel better. If you disagree that’s fine but this place shouldn’t be an echo chamber where we all have to have the same opinions about everything. I see more effort responding to my points and that’s good. I’m not here to talk down to any individuals so take your ego out of it. I’m talking about men in general, not me, not you. Of all people men should understand this most, how many times have we talked to women and tried to speak in a macro sense and have them feel personally offended. Some of you are doing that very thing.
Facts are, most women don’t find most men attractive, how you personally feel about that is irrelevant. On social media it becomes even more lopsided, this may not be breaking news to any of you but neither is anything MGTOW have to say in 2016 but this is a forum so we’ll rehash things because maybe, just maybe we might find more personal solutions. I appreciate the input of older members because your input helps cubs like me and others because your involvement is ending and we have to deal with this crap for the next 30 years and it sucks.
This thread is obviously speculation, I’m asking for thoughts and ideas. This isn’t about your ability to get laid or my join date, this is about men and the long term effects of women’s rising(and unfounded) sense of self worth and what other BS laws might be implemented to further benefit them and screw us over in the process. There’s discussions about sexual consent and domestic violence where a man even defending himself becomes the aggressor. Do you think that laws that restrict a man’s ability to date will emerge that limit the amount of options we can have should we chose to date?
(Another example being that women are trying to make it illegal for one to lie about his wage to get laid)
“I’m not here to talk down to you?”
Who the f~~~ would say that, unless your a c~~~?
“I’m talking about men in general, not me?”
Hmmmm????
“I’m asking for thoughts and ideas?”
Why? Why do you need them? What are you going to do with this information? Your mgtow aren’t you?
“If I’m stepping on new toes, because I’m a new member.” Actually new members aren’t stupid enough to do that.
LIKE I SAID: TUNA ALERT!
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
Anonymous11There are a variety of MGTOWs. We are not all the same.
@op: I personally don’t give a f~~~ about what women think. I’ve had sex with women while giving them nothing in return which is the only way I roll now. Also, the purpose of ignoring women is that it makes one not waste time chasing women. Women will let you know if they are interested. Trust me on that one.
A land whale has a higher SMV than a normal man. Women as a whole tend to be drawn to men who are wealthy, violent, abusive or naturally very good looking.
All rules are thrown out the window for any man that possesses Chad.
I’ve retired from dating as the ROI sucks.
Here are my thoughts on this topic, some of you may agree some might disagree. Somewhere in this thread someone mentioned women don’t want the average guy. This is true and it is apparent when you see how they act in their 20s. At this stage, the average ones have everything going for them. The pretty ones are off limits and usually are off the market in no time. When I was in my 20s, I didnt get laid often. In fact I had six women who i was sexually involved either in committed relationships or friends with benefits. During this period I worked at clubs part time as a bouncer for extra money (I was broke at the time) and I noticed a few things. Club owners, bartenders would frequently buy a group of women free round of drinks. The women stayed there because they’re getting booze for free. I know this privilege rubs everyone the wrong way but look at their perspective.
The club owner/promoter/bartender are putting an investment in something that pays huge dividends. It’s no secret the vast majority of straight men go out to meet women. If there are no women available, guys will not step inside. By pouring 3-6 or maybe 12-15 rounds of shots, or long island iced teas (they were somewhat watered down) the ladies stayed long enough to at least finish their drinks. They aren’t spending any money (In fact I never saw a woman pay for her own drink. I did see them pay for their own cabs occasionally). Guys see a place with women and go inside. They pay for their own drinks (Club profits, bartenders get tips) while moving towards women to engage in conversation. They buy more drinks (again club profits bartenders get tips etc) and women only need to pretend to be interested while she gets liquored up. Meanwhile a small percentage get phone numbers and a smaller percentage may get to be in some vagina that night.
Fast forward to the 30s, women aren’t as young and vibrant. Some have kids (maybe by multiple men), divorced (sometimes multiple), and trying to recapture those good times of the 20s. These women are looking for another sucker at best but the wall is quickly approaching. At the same time, some guys who are divorced and with kids might be a good match but these bitches will always choose the guy with no baggage. Guys with no kids are always more valued (you don’t have lots of money shelling out to child support or alimony). At this point, the value of men with no kids, with a decent job and not paying alimony becomes higher.
At age 40 and beyond these women get downright thirsty. They are very forward and they either don’t want to live alone, thinking of a backup plan because their kids are turning 18, or another sucker. Once again the guys I listed above are the highest of value (I have a buddy who is 41 never married no kids, makes 150K a year, owns a house and refuses to settle). Almost all women in their 30s to 40s hound my bud Luis to no end. They try every tactic possible, are you gay, not ready to be a man, etc. I am 37 and I am starting to notice the same. I have a decent job, I am divorced, no kids no alimony, and they have the nerve to ask me when I plan on getting married again. How about never. I live in a one bedroom apartment (I have a house but it’s a rental property) and I am quite content. One female tried to make fun of my apartment by calling it a dorm. At the end of the day, I am not desperate for a woman to validate me. At my age and above, they’re either quickly approaching the wall or had hit it at 100 MPH. I feel I get better with age because I take health and fitness seriously. Most women do not. The value changes with age. Young women will also chase you (either daddy issues, or they want to live off of you) and pretend they get along with more mature men while they are wildly immature at that age. Just my thoughts.
If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.
25 is not an easy age for dating.
Hone your skill set. Time is on your side. For LAYDEEZ, time is a two deaths sentence.I 100% agree with this. What you do not realise at the moment is that you are probably about a decade away from being in your prime when the tables start to turn in your favour. When women are in their 20’s they are having the party time they are advised to have and will spend the next decade on the c~~~ carousel f~~~ing Alpha’s. This means that 20% of the men are getting 80% of the sex. Normal men (i.e the 80% who are not Alpha) will basically get the scraps the Alpha’s do not want if they are lucky.
This means that the majority of men are not getting much sex in their 20’s and this leads to a major trap for these men. Once the women start to get into their early 30’s and start to loose their looks they start to realise the party is starting to end. They have probably accrued no assets and have a massive amount of debt from their party 20’s. Their next plan is to marry a blue pill man for money, a house, resources and kids. They can fool the blue pill man into thinking he has finally won because she will just say she had to date the bad boys to realise what she really wanted.
She will give the blue pill man sex and he will be so happy that he is finally getting regular sex he will marry her. Of course she will eventually get bored and divorce rape him and get back on the c~~~ carousel.
If these men could just avoid this trap in their early 30’s they would realise that things are just about to start getting f~~~ing amazing for them. The tables will have turned and if they have looked after themselves and have a don’t give a f~~~ attitude they will honestly be f~~~ing more women than they ever thought possible.
Unfortunately for me I fell into this trap and it is only now at the age of 42 I realise just how desperate women are and just how much easy sex you can get. The other ironic thing is the more sex you get, the less of a f~~~ you give about women and the more women want to be with you.
Look after yourself, dress well and have a confident don’t give a f~~~ attitude and you will be able to plate spin for as long as you like.
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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