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The Deep History of US, Britain’s Never-Ending Cold War On Russia

Finian CUNNINGHAM
Strategic Culture Foundation
4th May 2017

After decades of delaying, the United Nations finally released archives from the Second World War-era war crimes commission investigating the Nazi Holocaust.

The source of those archives on Nazi war crimes were Western governments, including those in exile at the time of the war, such as the Belgian, Polish and Czechoslovakian. The time period covered is 1943-1949. Washington and London had long sought to halt the release.

Why?

Notably, the landmark publication of the files last month was given scant Western media coverage. Surprisingly, perhaps, because the story that can be gleaned from the documents tells of a hidden history of the Second World War, namely the systematic collusion between the American and British governments and the Nazi Third Reich.

As a report in Deutsche Welle remarked on the released archives “The files make clear that [Western] Allied forces knew more about the Nazi concentration camp system before the end of the war than has generally been thought”.

This revelation points to more than just «knowledge» among the Western allies of Nazi-era crimes; it points more damningly to state collusion. This would also explain why Washington and London have been reluctant to make the UN war crimes files publicly available.

There has long been a controversial debate among Western nations about why the US and Britain in particular did not do more to bomb the Nazi infrastructure of death camps and railroads. Washington and London have often made the claim that they did know the full extent of the horror being perpetrated by the Nazis until the very end of the war when extermination centers such as at Auschwitz and Treblinka were liberated – by the Soviet Red Army, it should be noted too.

However, what the latest release of UN Holocaust files shows is that Washington and London were indeed well aware of the Nazi Final Solution in which millions of European Jews and Slavic people were being systematically worked to death or exterminated in gas chambers.

So the question again is: why did the US and Britain not direct more of their aerial bombing campaign to destroy the Nazi infrastructure?

One possible answer is that these Western allies had a callous disregard for the Nazi victims. Washington and London establishments were themselves accused of harboring antisemitic prejudices, as can be seen from the scandals when both these governments spurned thousands of European Jewish refugees during the Second World War, in effect sending many of them to their deaths under the Nazi regime.

Not excluding the above factor of Western racist insouciance, there is a second more disturbing factor. That the Western governments, or at least powerful sections, were loath to hamper the Nazi war effort against the Soviet Union. Notwithstanding that the Soviet Union was a nominal «ally» of the West for the defeat of Nazi Germany.

This perspective harks to a radically different conception of the Second World War in contrast to that narrated in official Western versions. In this alternative historical account, the rise of the Nazi Third Reich was deliberately fomented by American and British rulers as a bulwark in Europe against the spread of communism.

Adolf Hitler’s rabid anti-Semitism was matched only by his detest of Marxism and the Slavic people of the Soviet Union. In the Nazi ideology, they were all «Untermenschen» (subhumans) to be exterminated in a «Final Solution».

So, when Nazi Germany was attacking the Soviet Union and carrying out its Final Solution from June 1941 until late 1944, little wonder then that the US and Britain showed a curious reluctance to commit their military forces fully to open up a Western Front.

The Western allies were evidently content to see the Nazi war machine doing what it was originally intended to do: to destroy the primary enemy to Western capitalism as represented by the Soviet Union. This is not to say that all American and British political leaders shared or were even aware of this tacit strategic vision.

Leaders like President Franklin Roosevelt and Prime Minister Winston Churchill appeared to be genuinely committed to defeating Nazi Germany. Nevertheless, their individual views must be set against a background of systematic collusion between powerful Western corporate interests and Nazi Germany.

Allen Dulles, who worked for the Wall Street law firm Sullivan and Cromwell and who later headed up the American Central Intelligence Agency, was a key player in the linkage between US capital and German industry.

American industrial giants, such as Ford, GM, ITT and Du Pont were invested heavily in German industrial counterparts like IG Farben (manufacturer of Zyklon B, the poisonous gas used in the Holocaust), Krupp Steel and Daimler. American capital, as well as British, was thus integrated into the Nazi war machine and the latter’s dependence on the system of slave labor as provided by the Final Solution.

As American author David Talbot documented in his book, The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA and the Rise of America’s Secret Government (2015), there were massive financial links between Wall Street and the Third Reich, going back several years before the outbreak of the Second World War.

This would explain why the Western allies did so little to disrupt the Nazi infrastructure with their undoubted formidable aerial bombing capacity. Far more damning than mere inertia or indifference owing to racist prejudice towards the Nazi victims, what emerges is that the Americans and British capitalist elite were invested in the Third Reich. Mainly for the purpose of eliminating the Soviet Union and any kind of genuinely socialist global movement. Bombing Nazi infrastructure would have been tantamount to deleting Western assets.

To this end, as the war was drawing to a close and the Soviet Union looked poised to roll up the Third Reich singlehandedly, the Americans and British belatedly stepped up their war efforts from western and southern Europe. The goal was one of salvaging Western assets remaining in the Nazi regime.

Allen Dulles, the director of the-soon-to-be-formed American Central Intelligence Agency, extricated top Nazis and their gold looted from Europe in secret surrender deals known as Operation Sunrise.

Britain’s military intelligence MI6 was also involved in the clandestine American effort to salvage Nazi assets via ratlines. The bad faith on display to the Soviet «allies» heralded the chill of the ensuing Cold War that immediately followed the Second World War.

Significant and damning testimony of what was going down was given recently in a BBC interview by Ben Ferencz, the most senior surviving US prosecutor from the Nuremberg trials. At age 98, Ferencz was still able to lucidly recall how scores of Nazi war criminals were let off the hook by the American and British authorities.

Ferencz cited US General George Patton who remarked just before the final surrender of the Third Reich in early May 1945, as saying: «We’re fighting the wrong enemy». Patton’s candid expression of deeper animosity towards the Soviet Union than towards Nazi Germany was consistent with how the US and British ruling class had been colluding with Hitler’s Third Reich in a geo-strategic war against the Soviet Union and worker-led socialist movements arising across Europe and America.

In other words, the Cold War which the US and Britain embarked on after 1945 was but a continuation of hostile policy towards Moscow that was already underway well before the Second World War erupted in 1939 in the form of a build up of Nazi Germany. For various reasons, it became expedient for the Western powers to liquidate the Nazi war machine, along with the Soviet Union.

But as can be seen, the Western assets residing in the Nazi machine were recycled into American and British Cold War posture against the Soviet Union. It is a truly damning legacy that American and British military intelligence agencies were consolidated and financed by Nazi crimes.

The recent release of UN Holocaust files – in spite of American and British prevarication over many years – add more evidence to the historical analysis that these Western powers were deeply complicit in the monumental crimes of the Nazi Third Reich. They knew about these crimes because they had helped facilitate them. And the complicity stemmed from Western hostility towards Russia as a perceived geopolitical rival.

This is not a mere historical academic exercise. Western complicity with Nazi Germany also finds a corollary in the present-day ongoing hostility from Washington, Britain and their NATO allies towards Moscow. The relentless build up of NATO offensive forces around Russia’s borders, the endless Russophobia in Western propagandistic news media, the economic blockade in the form of sanctions based on tenuous claims, are all deeply rooted in history.

The West’s Cold War towards Moscow preceded the Second World War, continued after the defeat of Nazi Germany and persists to this day regardless of the fact that the Soviet Union no longer exists. Why? Because Russia is a perceived rival to Anglo-American capitalist hegemony, as is China or any other emerging power that undermines that desired unipolar hegemony.

American-British collusion with Nazi Germany finds its modern-day manifestation in NATO collusion with the neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine and jihadist terror groups dispatched in proxy wars against Russian interests in Syria and elsewhere. The players may change over time, but the root pathology is American-British capitalism and its hegemonic addiction.

The never-ending Cold War will only end when Anglo-American capitalism is finally defeated and replaced by a genuinely more democratic system.

Citation
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/05/04/deep-history-us-britain-never-ending-cold-war-russia.html

[MGTOW KnightParticipant]

MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To Give wrote:

Stop kidding yourself thinking you have a piece of meat in the soup. I want a Ferrari…..

Whatever, BRO… I want a son. How does that make me delusional? Your metaphor doesn’t even apply in my situation. There is no soup and “my meat” isn’t in it. I’m going to most likely adopt, so WTF are you talking about? Have you even read my posts? You can be a father and a MGTOW, the two aren’t mutually exclusive. This is really starting to sound like an echo chamber guys, come on. Also a Ferrari is a material possession, not a life. I don’t really see the connection… A life has more significance than a f~~~ing car.

sidecar wrote:

Men can’t have children. Not any more. They are always her children.

Again, for the sake of my sanity you can be a father without a women! FFS you can adopt! I WAS ADOPTED!!! Please read my posts.

As I stated before I know the risks associated with the modern women. If there isn’t even a women in the equation, then I fail to see how I can’t be a MGTOW and a father. I don’t plan on getting married, so this is really a non issue as far as I’m concerned. No Women = No Problem

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[Anonymous]

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Gun Review: CZ 75 P-01. Take Two.

[Mr. SpockParticipant]

Wally wrote:

To the reader or woman who says why do you still have to talk about women and why don’t you go your own way already?

The shaming, anti-MGTOW community like to throw this around whenever they want to make their case. What they don’t understand is that we aren’t talking about women, sex and relations~~~s because we secretly wish that we had them. We talk about those things in order to warn the lurkers and newer members.
Some complain that these forums are like echo chambers in the sense that we keep saying the same things. I think the repetition is a great thing especially for the newer members and lurkers who may not have the time to go through 10,000 posts just to figure things out.

She's not looking for love. She's looking for someone to finance the lifestyle that SHE thinks SHE deserves.

[MGTOW KnightParticipant]

Yeah women have made progress at the expense of men, but no one gives a s~~~ because of the evil patriarchy. Boys are better off getting into trades now. If I could go back 7 years, I would’ve gotten into welding or something. School is nothing more than a Marxist echochamber hell bent on brainwashing students into being good little SJWs. F~~~ our education system!

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[Anonymous]

Even if we were an echo chamber, no manginas and women allowed. They have the rest of the internet and all of real life to babble their s~~~ unchallenged. They don’t need this space too.

[RhinoParticipant]

Perhaps some people misunderstood or did not bother to read what I wrote at the top of the thread. The reason I wrote about the echo chamber was because in the past I have noticed people on this and other web sites using this term to discredit what we talk about. This is not a new shaming tactic it has been going on for years now. It is a coping mechanism for men to give them a excuse to attack and leave behind the MGTOW mindset by refusing the red pill and taking the blue pill instead like Cypher did in the Matrix movie. What these people do not get is they never understood MGTOW to begin with. We are not a movement or a group but instead a family trying to help each other.

The thread is titled MGTOW is NOT Inside A Echo Chamber. I decided to talk about this topic because it shows up all over the place and it is a false narrative that is continually spewed ad nauseum in comment sections and other web sites. When I did a search on our forums regarding this topic nothing came up. People searching for answers about MGTOW may have typed this phrase into their search engine and only garbage came up.

Now when you type MGTOW echo chamber this is the first topic that comes up to the top and it better helps people see the other side of the coin. In my original post I wanted to keep it short but I will now add more to it to give you a understanding of the garbage that was showing up before.

link: These comments are found in the comments section.

4.More than anything else, it’s a toxic echo chamber of active misogyny that thrives on a circle jerk of righteous anger.

Without getting off on too much of a tangent, many of the other criticisms that you see regarding MGTOW here are fair. I never got too involved in the MGTOW community. I always considered myself a distant observer. There is too much misogyny in the forums, blogs, and on YouTube. There’s a lot of “butthurt” going around in those echo chambers. I feel sympathy for those men, but I’m not going to be part of the “He Man Woman Haters Club”, which is essentially the MGTOW communities biggest problem in its current stage.

link: Again found in the comments section.

Nope egalitarian I don’t tolerate s~~~ spewed from feminazis nor do I tolerate s~~~ spewed from assholes in echo chambers. Although feel free to pretend that I’m a feminist if it’ll help you come with some quick nonsensical insults

Former MGTOW member who wrote this bulls~~~ on March 30, 2017. Feel free to go to the link and decide for yourself. Here is a little gem he posted for your viewing pleasure.

When a topic isn’t part of the MGTOW ideology it gets sent to a “safe space” known as ‘The Litter Box’ thread where the original poster isn’t allowed to reply or comment on their own post and is ironically shamed and criticized by other men and not be allowed to have an open discussion and a fair debate on equal ground. I even have the original post here.
Being the true intellectual that I am. I planned ahead and declared in advance that I would leave the MGTOW echo-chamber and not even bother coming back to this circle-jerking-fest of pseudo-intellectual men with large egos that want to hijack MGTOW and trying to convert it into a male-supremacist ideology.

If that fool came to that conclusion he never really was a MGTOW to begin with. Moving along I will finally post a video about this topic you can skip to the 22:00 minute mark to save yourselves some time.

I hope I cleared up some things if not let me know feedback is always appreciated.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

trader1913 wrote:

MGTOW often seem like an echo chamber because we are saying the same thing over and over again

That is more of a reaction to the endless stream of “the same” bulls~~~ thrown in men’s faces – over and over again. When you’re being force fed the same blue pill crap, they should expect you to spit it out repeatedly too.

Cause and effect.

The increasing online & cultural relevance of MGTOW is an effect, really. Not a cause or a symptom. It’s a by product and a result of something else. It should have been expected.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[trader1913Participant]

MGTOW is an echo chamber of experiences, analysis and facts about regaining your sovereignty. We as MGTOW are not afraid to discuss our differences and bond over our similarities.

MGTOW often seem like an echo chamber because we are saying the same thing over and over again; in order to push men over the edge towards MGTOW. Remember in the Matrix when NEO was first contacted by Morpheus through his computer? Morpheus had contacted thousands if not millions of men before him in order to find ‘The one’. This is what we are doing.

[WallyParticipant]

Echo chamber? That term makes no sense, I see the same truths said when new men come here asking the same questions we all had when we came here. Do we come up with new answers? No, truth is truth.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[Zuberi TauParticipant]

Echo chamber?
No, feminism is an Echo chamber
Mgtow is male sovereignty.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I can’t grasp this idea of echo chamber. It’s daft as f~~~.

It is! It’s a stupid label and a way of saying …

“WHAT?? MEN NOT TRYING TO COMPETE AND KILL EACH OTHER FOR PUSSY?? I DON’T GET IT!!! BUT I WAS INDOCTRINATED TO BELIEVE ALL MEN WANT TO F~~~ ME ALL THE TIME!!! IN FACT I THOUGHT ALL MEN HAVE NOTHING ELSE ON THEIR MINDS!! I WATCHED THE DISNEY MOVIE “ENCHANTED” AND THEY SAID MEN ONLY WANT ONE THING!!! I WAS LIED TO?? CAN I SUE DISNEY FOR BRAINWASHING ME???”

“Men only what one thing” is women living out their lives in an “echo chamber”.

Here’s another one. Realizing she has been force-fed the same feminist bulls~~~ mantra for 1/2 her life. Listening more to what she thought “men like” instead of asking the ONE man she’s in the relationship with. Until she filmed this, her empty skull was an “echo chamber” of stuff she read in magazines, saw on TV , Sex And the City and all this distant stuff nowhere present in her immediate reality.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous]

lol echo chamber?

Unlike those other places, we have many disagreements, then share a beer and move on, not keeping things personal.

But there are so many divergent viewpoints here, and men that will present their side and back it up, and sometimes it gets heated.

There are plenty of guys that I disagree with and just will never see eye to eye on a lot of things with on here. And I’ve let them know it and they’ve let me know it. But at the end of the day, we do respect each other and there are times we do agree with each other, but even if we don’t, our disagreements stay in those discussions where we disagree.

You never see that with women and manginas. They all always say the same thing, gang up on anyone with a different viewpoint, then follow people around everywhere to pick fights all the time and bring up past discussions.

I’ve only seen a handful of posters on here do that, and they all got banned eventually. And I don’t think we’ve had a recent one of those types.

[Anonymous]

I can’t grasp this idea of echo chamber. It’s daft as f~~~.

I could create a site that discussed fitness and weight loss and repeatedly inform people that the way to lose weight and improve fitness is by restricting calorie intake and increasing cardiovascular activity.

Some c~~~ signs up and says:

this is an echo chamber!

……..ok

[BufordParticipant]

This is a venting chamber. A steam valve. A circuit breaker.

Some men need access to the knowledge and experience; some men just want to pass on their own. Some of us seem to always be here; others disappear and return further down the road (points at self).

But new men are coming all the time. For them it’s not an echo, it’s a sweet symphony. We will repeat ourselves regularly. But it’s for the benefit of those fresh arrivals, not for us.

"This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags. - Sheriff Buford T. Justice"

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

Can the truth become an “echo chamber”?
Is it a problem to repeatedly​ speak the truth?

Thats’ just called the truth.

“The moon is a lifeless rock with no atmosphere”.

“I agree.”.

“I agree too.”

“AHA!! SEE?? MGTOW IS AN ECHO CHAMBER!!!!”

---

“This forum is for men only”.

“I disagree.”.

“That’s adorable, but you can’t disagree with a FACT. It’s not an opinion . The men here agree on the moon because it’s a FACT. You still think men-only forums are not for men only. That’s why you’re not permitted here and you will be ousted and shunned. Go to your politically correct toilet and “like” something there instead. Everyone will agree with you there too. But not because it’s true. They only agree with you because you’re as completely full of s~~~ as they are.“.

There’s your echo chamber.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous]

“Echo Chamber” to me is just another of these buzz phrases that doesn’t mean anything, but it’s fashionable to mention.

Can the truth become an “echo chamber”? Is it a problem to repeatedly​ speak the truth?

Speaking absolute bulls~~~ all the time can be considered an echo chamber of bulls~~~.

Seems to me it’s nothing more than a shaming phrase to stop one saying what one is saying.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

chir wrote:

I look at this MGTOW website as the canary in the coal mine. If it is taken down by the government or raided so the user information can be “investigated” by the “hate speech police”. Then I know the canary is dead, time to hit the ground.

WHAT??

Here’s proof this is not an echo chamber.

If you have ANY fear of that happening, do not post here under any circumstances and request to have your account deleted. We can make sure your email is never “investigated” by anyone if you have yourself deleted RIGHT NOW.

Do you not stand behind what you post?

If you have any reservation of this and think you’re saying anything that might get you in “trouble” for some reason…… leave now and request a permanent profile deletion by way of the contact form.

Thank you.

We will gladly assist you so that you will have NO fear or concern of this.
No man should live for a moment inside this kind of prison.

I don’t even understand why you would punctuate that statement with a smiley face.

“Echo chamber” my ass.

chir wrote:

If anything the western world has become a gynocentric echo-chamber where politically correct speak is the only speak allowed. Vary from the norm and you are ostracized and shunned.

You’re much too willing to accept that. You speak like it’s matter of fact.

Except this is not a gynocentric echo chamber.
This is not the “norm”. Norm can lick me where I s~~~t.

They don’t decide what’s “allowed” here.
They don’t get to say a WORD about it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[chirParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Divorce Court is an echo chamber! Like a dungeon! Men being tortured and torn to pieces!

Spot on. See this picture of a modern divorce court…

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[Anonymous]

Divorce Court is an echo chamber! Like a dungeon! Men being tortured and torn to pieces!