Your thoughts on "universal basic income" for Americans?

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Your job will be automated most likely as well. We are living in the machine age, welcome to the machine. Humans are obsolete or will become so in a short time frame. Surgeons need to be frightful of losing their jobs considering automated robots may be able to do this procedure safer, shorter, and more accurate than us flawed humans. Pandora is out of the box, we are inferior to technology, deal with it.

[UptownjesusParticipant 95]

Anonymous wrote:

“universal basic income” free money? for not working? Who’s paying the bill? We’ll all be children again? Who’s the daddy? Ahhhhh, I see, big daddy government gets much bigger, spread thinner, weakens the dollar, then we’ll all be poor, including the rich! Sounds like feminist brand equality to me, we all s~~~ the bed together, then roll in each other’s s~~~! NO THANKS, I DON’T FEEL LIKE LAYING DOWN! EVER! I’ll KEEP WALKING>>>>>>>>>>>>>MGTOW

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[AFTParticipant 2722]

FreeGhost wrote:

that 1% of Americans own 40% of all wealth in this country. The top 20% of Americans own more wealth than the bottom 80% combined, how is this fair?

Wealth goes to those that do the right thing.
How is it fair that a hard working high income individual has to pay high taxes close to 50% in Australia to support a bunch of lazy bums, that never worked a day in their life? Let them starve, or work, that’ll give them incentive to get off their ass and stop complaining about fairness.
What did the 80% of the “poor” DO to deserve their “fair” share of he cake?
It’s not the distribution of wealth that counts, it’s the CREATION of wealth that matters. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO CREATE WEALTH?

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Engineers and computer programers may be the only people that may not be deemed as “obsolete”. Leading futurist Ray Kurzweil agrees with this assertion as well.  Unfortunately, not all of us our intelligent enough to be engineers and programers and the economic demand cannot create a society dependent upon all of us being engineers and programers. What shall the rest of us do?

First came the shovel, then came the shoveler, then came the tractor, then came the man on the tractor that could outwork 500 shovelers in the same time frame, now comes the robot who can farm the land without being paid a flat ware, without a 401k, without “off time”, without vacation time, without threat of injury, etc etc etc.

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Does running a profitable business count? lol

Every year more taxes, more licenses, higher inflation, more barriers to entry to get out of the “stanglehold”of society. The path should at least be more accessible. I mean how about reputation being a “license” for christ sakes.

[MyselfParticipant 353]

FreeGhost wrote:

Here’s the thing guys, many of the jobs of the posters/readers of this question will have their jobs outsourced by autonomous robots. What will you do then? I render you all obsolete.

It’s not necessarily all bad.  For example, 3D printing is a transformative technology. It is giving people the ability to have a low cost factory in their closet, literally.  It is likely to change the world. In lots of cases we won’t have to order things by the millions from China in order to meet our expectation that things be affordable. It may very well  have an impact on the overall quality of things too – having a “lightbulb that lasts” is a good idea provided it can be sold for a price that is competitive with bulbs that only last a few months.  Many people won’t spend 10 dollars today instead of 5 in order to save a hundred bucks over the next twenty years. If you can figure out how to make something of higher quality for the same price as your competitors, your gonna make buck or two.

 

 

 

 

 

[UptownjesusParticipant 95]

FreeGhost wrote:

Engineers and computer programers may be the only people that may not be deemed as “obsolete”. Leading futurist Ray Kurzweil agrees with this assertion as well. Unfortunately, not all of us our intelligent enough to be engineers and programers and the economic demand cannot create a society dependent upon all of us being engineers and programers. What shall the rest of us do?

Adapt. Or go do like Bruce Jenner. Get a titty implant, and try to be someone’s bitch. That’s your prerogative.

http://www.people.com/article/bruce-jenner-docuseries-e-transition-transgender

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[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

I’m going to get breast implants declare myself “female” and join the UFC. I see this already in this fighting organization, I could make a fortune and if anyone objects, I will sue them because I have t~~~.

[EdogParticipant 254]

The 1% maintain they’re spot as the 1% by being the most corrupt, and they have been at it for a very long time. Old but simple ideologies rule the day. Let’s take a look at some of these ideologies. When seeing them, it’s not difficult to see what’s going on. A progressive timeline of just a few foundational statements exposes the corrupt nature of these people.

“The bank hath benefit of interest on all moneys which it creates out of nothing.” William Paterson, founder of the Bank of England in 1694, then a privately owned bank

“Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.

“The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

“I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people.” Reginald McKenna, as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924.

“The banks do create money. They have been doing it for a long time, but they didn’t realise it, and they did not admit it. Very few did. You will find it in all sorts of documents, financial textbooks, etc. But in the intervening years, and we must be perfectly frank about these things, there has been a development of thought, until today I doubt very much whether you would get many prominent bankers to attempt to deny that banks create it.” H W White, Chairman of the Associated Banks of New Zealand, to the New Zealand Monetary Commission, 1955.

I could keep going and going with the quotes. But as I said, just these ones show a progression from hundreds of years ago, and a lot of these families at the tippy top of the pyramid have passed their wealth down, and it has continued to grow. As I said in another topic, printing money is at the heart of the issue. Creating money from nothing. A monetary system based on paper and coin currency isn’t inherently flawed, it’s just that all systems of governing it will always end up in corruption when the men in charge start creating money from nothing, and then taxing it on top. It’s an illusion. There’s no actual wealth. People are just ignorant and blind, and these same men GO ON THE RECORD making the claims! They rub peoples faces in it and tell them they’re ignorant fools. And most of them are. The rabbit hole is deep and most people have no clue.

Honestly, there’s not much anyone can do to reverse it aside from tearing the whole damn system down and simply not recognizing their so called ‘wealth’. It’s all been amassed upon generations of corruption. War profiteering has always been there and most of the old money can be traced back in one way or another to that,  but stock manipulation and asset acquisition has continued to grow the wealth of those who were already wealthy. They continue to manipulate a system they built to manipulate, and the people continue to slave away for them in ignorance. It’s amazing how easily deceived the herd is. These people absolutely count on it.

 

 

[MyselfParticipant 353]

AFT wrote:

It’s not the distribution of wealth that counts, it’s the CREATION of wealth that matters. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO CREATE WEALTH?

Damn straight. Huge truth there.

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Edog thumbs up times 10. The federal reserve banking system is inflating our currency and creating economic bedlam. When’s the next inflationary quantitative easing coming in, what is it QE5 now? In the mean time, both parties will in-fight like a bunch of clowns accomplishing absolutely nothing. “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” Von Goethe

[BDParticipant 1146]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Here is one take on this debate:

Ha! Juice Rap News had some funny stuff, I haven’t liked much of their newer stuff but that one was a classic.

Here is a link to Buckminster Fuller’s “Critical Path”

In my opinion, this is an amazing book that discusses global economics and the scarcity of resources. It’s very thought provoking.

This link takes a few minutes to load fyi.

Ahhh, the link wouldn’t patch through here, too bad… You can search it as; btronics pdf buckminster fuller critical path

 

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[MyselfParticipant 353]

FreeGhost wrote:

Does running a profitable business count? lol Every year more taxes, more licenses, higher inflation, more barriers to entry to get out of the “stanglehold”of society. The path should at least be more accessible. I mean how about reputation being a “license” for christ sakes.

It’s not just a problem for people getting off the ground.  It is a HUGE problem for corporations as well – just think about red tape, bureaucracy, crazy regulations, etc, etc – the world is awash in massive inefficiency and “barriers”.  Guess what? You can PROFIT from that s~~~.

If your business isn’t successful, that’s your fault, exclusively. We live in a time when more wealth is being generated than at any other point in human history, and that is an obvious fact.  There are so many possibilities out there it’s not even funny.  Sure, to be competitive you need to be, um, competitive.  So what?

 

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Government and corporations are intertwined. Look at the largest funders to presidential political candidates. It’s quite simple, those that hold the wealth make the rules. They tax us, they draft us, they make us lawfully obey their laws, etc. The common man is cannon fodder amongst this corrupt debacle.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

My first thought is this belongs in the Political Corner.

My second thought is that so-called “universal basic income” is essentially welfare without requiring childbirth first. Given that welfare has been such an utterly colossal clusterf~~~ failure I cannot see how any intelligent, rational person could think of expanding it to include everyone who chooses not to support themselves. You’re supposed to discard failed ideas, not feed them.

FreeGhost wrote:

Now I am not advocating communism as obviously this system is clearly flawed,

Just because you aren’t calling it communism or socialism doesn’t mean it isn’t.

It’s socialism.

And socialism never, EVER works. Even the so called socialist “successes” are just socialist programs parasitizing capitalist economies. And eventually the parasite kills its host.

the fact that 1% of Americans own 40% of all wealth in the US (according to a Harvard study) is despicable in my mind.

If the 99% are all well fed and warm, what’s the problem? The number one killer of the poor in the U.S. is obesity. Why do you care how much money other people have? No offense, but your position here is the same one underlying the whole “wage gap” bulls~~~tery.

If you really want to correct that “wealth gap” the solution is simple: stop paying people to have babies they can’t afford to feed. Then wait. Reducing the population and reducing the birth rate decreases the demand for goods and services, causing prices to drop, and reduces the supply of labor, both skilled and unskilled, causing wages to go up. Both cause a flow of wealth (which isn’t the same thing as money) back into the pockets of the working class who are now earning more and spending less. It’s no coincidence that the periods of the greatest real prosperity for the people have followed population reducing wars and epidemics.

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Sidecar -How can you discount that 20% owning more than a combined 80% is fair? Where is the path to prosperity for those not born with the affluence to embark upon entrepreneurial avenues? It isn’t as simple as “get off your ass and start a business”. Have you ever started one by the way and dealt with the remarkable “bulls~~~tery” that was forced upon via legal jurisdiction? These barriers to entry are incredibly costly, utterly unjust, and major impediments for the “lazy people” to get off their asses. It is quite easy to compete with these affluent corporations in a financial aspect as well, isn’t it? I’m going to create a business plan for a hardware store tomorrow and buy the occupying space right next to Walmart, let’s see how I do. Small businesses are dead.

[MyselfParticipant 353]

FreeGhost wrote:

It isn’t as simple as “get off your ass and start a business”

Yes, it is.

FreeGhost wrote:

Have you ever started one by the way and dealt with the remarkable “bulls~~~tery” that was forced upon via legal jurisdiction?

Yes, I have. And so have countless others.

FreeGhost wrote:

I’m going to create a business plan for a hardware store tomorrow and buy the occupying space right next to Walmart, let’s see how I do. Small businesses are dead.

That’s a bad idea and is why you won’t attract any investors and will loose your shirt in the process.  Develop a good idea (which is not easy, nor should one expect it to be easy) and you will find that small business is very much alive and well.

 

 

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Myself – You should look at economic adjusted for inflation statistics compared to decades ago. You will see how outrageously more expensive “everything” is. It is quite difficult to embark upon a business when you can barely afford paying rent working two or three part time jobs because your employers want to side cut paying your healthcare working full time. Quite difficult to acquire the capital to start a business with such a poor financial predicament.

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

Legalize hookers. That will fix much.

Amen to that. I want some hookers to f~~~.

FreeGhost wrote:

Now I am not advocating communism as obviously this system is clearly flawed, but the fact that 1% of Americans own 40% of all wealth in the US (according to a Harvard study) is despicable in my mind. There are many barriers to entry for young entrepreneurs impeding their financial independence. Also, autonomous robots are replacing humans in many labor sectors and future trends show that over 70% of all jobs today will be replaced by automation. My issue is thinking about how the wealthy view this scenario and how they will deal with it.

Lets face it. Socialism will get rid of self motivation all together which is what built America and I would hate to see it disappear. In a socialist system there are no rich people to create jobs so the unemployment rate would skyrocket(unless the government nationalizes everything or almost everything). In regards to what rich people will do about this scenario about the 70% unemployment rate caused by robots,I think that they would try to reduce the human population. Just some advice about this matter:
1. Go on a gluten free diet and dont consume products that have high fructose corn syrup.
2. Stay Calm
3. Think Rationally
4. Cross that bridge when you get there.
5. Find a way to ruin those rich people and bring them down(without destroying America).

I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

This still belongs in the political corner.

FreeGhost wrote:

How can you discount that 20% owning more than a combined 80% is fair?

Fair has nothing to do with anything. If the bottom have enough, it doesn’t matter what the top have. You are preaching envy, and envy is ugly and without merit.

Where is the path to prosperity for those not born with the affluence to embark upon entrepreneurial avenues?

You have to make your own path. Anyone who has to be handed a path to affluence won’t make even the first steps on it. And even if they try they will be on someone else’s path for that person’s success.

Have you ever started one by the way and dealt with the remarkable “bulls~~~tery” that was forced upon via legal jurisdiction?

Several. Most failed. A few didn’t. That’s how life is. If you get kicked down you stand right back up, learn your lesson, and get back to walking your own path. If you instead cry and whine in the dust complaining about things being “unfair” and demanding help, you will never be successful. And you don’t deserve it either.

More importantly, every single impediment you speak of was originally created ostensibly to “help” the poor. ALL OF THEM. Your insistence on even more redistributionist bulls~~~ is only going to make things MORE difficult. Learn the concept of unintended consequences.

I’m going to create a business plan for a hardware store tomorrow and buy the occupying space right next to Walmart, let’s see how I do.

Don’t be stupid.

You don’t succeed by doing what everyone else is already doing. Especially when others are already doing it extremely well.

You succeed by finding a demand for a good or service that is not being met and then serving that demand. For a price. Remember what I said above about making your own path?

Small businesses are dead.

Not yet, but all the well meaning idiots trying to help sure as f~~~ aren’t helping.

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