"You'll end up changing your mind and wanting kids."

[vargpajParticipant 244]

i really hate it when people say “you’ll change your mind”. when i was in my 20’s i didnt want kids. when i had a kid, i didnt want kids. a dozen years later- still don’t want kids. it’s sad that so many people can’t accept that an adult might actually be capable of knowing himself.

[Anonymous 2]

This is my default answer:

“I already have kids. I pay taxes don’t I?”

Then let them figure it out. Most are too stupid, but I don’t care anymore. If they ask questions…

“This is not up for debate.”

DONE.

[cyberguy94Participant 81]

I hop there is a god or a finalistic existence to the biological existence but i have no evidence to support my hope. So i just go full nihlist and se life as a terrible burden, a condemnation to fight for “being alive” forced on you by your survival instinct. Being a pessimistic nihilist i won’t intentionally force someone to come to this world.

Lolz

[experiencedParticipant]

When a young man definitely doesn’t want to have kids, it’s interesting how the very people responsible for him coming to this conclusion are the ones who want to change him.
By this I mean the subconscious tape recorder that has a hot microphone from the day he’s born. If there’s undue stress, friction, negativity, harshness, abuse, being told what a burden he is, etc, being of a sound mind he won’t want to repeat this during his life. In a cover your tracks mode, the same people who made this clear over the years, figure they can browbeat him into whatever they want – which actually is more of the same.
It’s akin to knowing fat people who love food and you ask them if they were forced to eat as a child. The response is, “No, but I did have to at least try a small bite.”
So when they get on you ask them who they suppose is responsible for your reasonable conclusion. Same goes for women who poison the well via divorce etc and expect men to jump back in.
They can save their expectations for themselves.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

I throw it right back at them.

“You will end up changing your mind and wishing you never had kids !”

I’m closer to 50 so I can say I am middle aged. I am 30 years older than when I first started getting fed this lie that I would just burst with the desire to want kids.

No, instead I actually thought about it before pumping a load of blank checks into a woman’s pussy.

“How do you know I will change my mind about wanting kids ?”

Because I have seen the red eyes from when men have been kept up all night with a crying kid as their stay-at-home wife sleeps.

Because I have heard men mutter “it must me nice” and turn green with envy when I mention a road trip for a three day weekend, travel for a vacation or even just enjoy a peaceful holiday. Most of them have to work their butts off during vacation to tend to their family’s needs on the trip, if they can afford it.

Because I have heard the remorse in men’s voices when I have a drink with them, hearing them lament “I wish I could leave her, but the kids….”

If marriage to a woman is a “ball and chain”, then the kids are the cuff locked to your ankle.

Because I have seen men who make far more than me live like paupers from ruinous child support payments, yet never allowed to see their children. Some of the “lucky ones” had to spend thousands in legal fees and court costs to even see their children.

Because I know poor bastards who toil, sweat, suffer and bleed to find out their now adult children are not their own. They have no recourse or justice from Paternity Fraud even if she admits it in court.

She used him like he should have used a condom, with good preparation and care before hand and unrecoverable disposal after use.

Hooked like a fish, and a man need marriage like a fish needs a barbed hook down its throat.

How many men my age or even somewhat younger mutter “if I could do it all over again….”. I lost track of the times that rang in my ears.

When I was young, I watched and listened.

Don’t tell me Traditionalist fantasies for a long lost past. This is 2014, not 1914.

Trying to restore Traditionalist Marriage is like trying to restore the Hapsburgs to their throne.

Ain’t.F~~~ing.Happening.

“How do you know he will change his mind ?”
“Because I’ve seen 100 other men, just like him, with 100 women, just like you do it 100 times before.”

Every step of the way, I see evidence proving the old men I listened to right. And to everyone who told me I would regret it, they got to eat a nice steaming pile of their own words.

All while their crying babies and nagging wives made their ears bleed.

To those who got trapped and now warn others, good on you ! Spare others your suffering !

And to you young MGTOWs who see through the lies, cheers to you !

Just wait long enough, you’ll see the rewards for Going Your Own Way.

And your critics will come to envy you.

Frank V.

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