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No, I did not call you an NPC. I said “unless you are”. Whether you are, or aren’t is up to you.
No, I did not call you an NPC. I said “unless you are”. Whether you are, or aren’t is up to you.
Yeah, nice. But f~~~ it, what about the debate? I don’t care about your backtracking, or your “joke”. I simply used sarcasm to end it, which I effectively did.
Next: Keep the debate going, please?
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
As to a reply to your previous questions Dark Kenshi, Socialism is responsible for all of these problems. You’re not seeing the big picture. Central Banks are using tools like feminism as a Malthusian preventative check on population growth, subversion, to collapse nations so that they can control their money supplies. The ashes that you so greatly desire will lead to your shackles.
It is an attempt at world domination. When you “Let it all burn”, what you are doing is subscribing to the idea that it is great for a nation to collapse and get conquered or destroyed by foreign invaders such as China. It doesn’t matter whether you “believe” you are or not, that’s what you are doing. You do not see the big picture. The controlled demolition of the US economy through depopulation, abolishment of morality, feminism, overspending, intentional bankruptcy is exactly for the establishment of a combined currency similar to the Euro, except an Amero version including the US, Canada, and Mexico. This is empire. If you refuse to defend yourself on the psychological level, your families and friends in the future will be slaves to invading conquering forces like China, who coincidentally, is being run by Evelyn De Rothschild as we speak, who publicly discusses on international television the establishment of a single international currency. https://youtu.be/FRrv1pSzGycAny goals that MGTOW has that are in concurrence with feminism are hastening the destruction of our national sovereignty, as well as the conquest of US.
Do you value your freedom or not? What about the freedom of posterity, your friends and families? https://youtu.be/5gnpCqsXE8g
I forgive him. Many years ago when I first entered mgtow, I was trying to convince people that if we all go on a sex strike, we could increase Men’s overall SMV and corner the market for relationships, thus forcing women to start acting right and behaving. On paper it works! LOL Just not in practice. Women just keep riding the c~~~ carousel regardless and you will never get men to turn down sex…. The guys here also did not take kindly to me telling them MGTOW needs to be a vow of abstinence LOL. They were not having it! LOL
The truth as I have come to understand it:
A. We’re sexually dimorphic, yet our culture and laws are in denial about this.
B. Modernity, at all angles, is colliding with our biology. Abortion *& Birth Control are new medical technologies that were not available a moment ago. We suddenly started using things like this that are totally antithetical to our natural way of living the past few million years as hominids.
The Solution:
You cant un-modernize women, taking away all their toys and privileges. You can’t un-teach 7 million year old instincts either. We can’t repeal the 19th amendment. Abortion and birth control are here to stay. Neo-Conservatism isnt effective. Religious persuasion is also negligible results. Grinning and bearing the pain as Men and reinforcing masculinity doesnt do s~~~ when Women are consumed by iPhones, sluttery, high-pay salaries, welfare support and misandric laws… Repealing those laws doesnt help.
There is no “Return to the Status Quo” we’re literally experiencing the growing pains of an evolving species who has reach post-modernity. The only way is forward. That’s going to mean acknowledging sexual dimorphism and giving Men paternal rights (right to opt of of legal responsibility)…the abolishing of Child Support and welfare…. These things are impossible to get passed into law. So what will happen? MOre of the same slide into eventual economic ruin, maladaptive breeding and failing birthrate…
Surrogacy and Arty Wombs WILL BE in our eventual future, whether its in 40 years or 400 years…. its coming.
As to a reply to your previous questions Dark Kenshi, Socialism is responsible for all of these problems. You’re not seeing the big picture. Central Banks are using tools like feminism as a Malthusian preventative check on population growth, subversion, to collapse nations so that they can control their money supplies. The ashes that you so greatly desire will lead to your shackles. It is an attempt at world domination. When you “Let it all burn”, what you are doing is subscribing to the idea that it is great for a nation to collapse and get conquered or destroyed by foreign invaders such as China. It doesn’t matter whether you “believe” you are or not, that’s what you are doing. You do not see the big picture. The controlled demolition of the US economy through depopulation, abolishment of morality, feminism, overspending, intentional bankruptcy is exactly for the establishment of a combined currency similar to the Euro, except an Amero version including the US, Canada, and Mexico. This is empire. If you refuse to defend yourself on the psychological level, your families and friends in the future will be slaves to invading conquering forces like China, who coincidentally, is being run by Evelyn De Rothschild as we speak, who publicly discusses on international television the establishment of a single international currency. https://youtu.be/FRrv1pSzGyc
Any goals that MGTOW has that are in concurrence with feminism are hastening the destruction of our national sovereignty, as well as the conquest of US.No, you are wrong, I AM seeing the big picture. It is YOU who are not.
Socialism is to blame? Really? What makes socialism, socialism? PEOPLE. It is PEOPLE who make socialism, socialism.
The banks are NOT using anything, they are thriving over a HUMAN BEHAVIOUR. A behaviour that MOST of mankind have, and will keep having, despite all your best efforts to erradicate it. Deal with that information.
They are NOT trying to control anything, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY DO IT. ALL the money in ANY AND ALL countries goes through one, two, or more banks. Hell, even the banks PRINT THE GOD DAMNED MONEY. So, why would they “try to control something”, that they ALREADY DO? Open your eyes. See reality for itself.It is GREAT, not only for a society to be conquered, if they become too weak to sustain their own freedom, it is THE BEST WAY to birth a rational and strong society. There is no better teacher than a ball and a chain, and it looks like the western world needs it, and needs it BADLY. They are ASKING for it! Screaming for it, and that is what they will get! Sometimes, the best way to teah someone that they WILL get hurt, is to let them hurt themselves. And that is where we are at, currently. Despite ALL WARNINGS, we STILL kept going to that end, and going towards it with INCREASING SPEED.
So let it go. Get the f~~~ out of the way of that failing and falling society. BE JOHN F~~~ING GALT. Throw the monkey wrench which will destroy this society, this sick, f~~~ed up, upside down society, AND BUILD ONE BETTER with the ashes of the previous one.
I am defending myself, in MORE than just the psychological level, I am DECLARING MY SOVEREIGNITY and protecting myself physically, mentally, spiritually and financially, byt NOT ENGAGING in this sick society, in withdrawing from it completely, because TO PLAY THIS GAME, IS THE UTMOST STUPIDITY. To try to “fix it” is EVEN MORE STUPID.
What do you do when you have a rotten furniture? You either change it, or you let it break, gather the best pieces of it and build another one, very much alike, but brand new, using the best parts of the older one to build another stronger, better and more durable.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
MGTOW is not about SOLVING PROBLEMS. MGTOW is about WALKING AWAY FROM PROBLEMS. Let the people who caused the problem clean up their own mess.
The reality is that those who are trying to solve problems aren’t getting anywhere because the problem creator is dependent on the problem solver consistently cleaning up their mess and taking the brunt of the consequences. Ejecting yourself from the scenario forces the problem creator to deal with it.
Ok. Then do it.
The transition to Public Reproduction takes decades. It starts with acknowledging that we have to make the change though, so regulation must begin such as needing a License to Reproduce. Sounds Orwellian right? LOL. But its NOT!
I’d take a different approach. You’re taking a big step that will be hard for people to accept. It will be rejected by the left as an attempt to control women’s bodies (by old white men), and rejected by the right as government socialism. Right now, public schools and day cares are taking larger and larger roles in child development. Public schools are watching the kids for most waking hours, providing breakfast and dinner (free for the poor). The next step is going to be extending care a few hours after school for free. Then they will be providing dinner as well, and the kids life will be run more by the school then parent. The next step will be to switch it so that the school is responsible for providing a bed and clothing the kid…parents get a couple optional hours of visitation each night. You reduce welfare to the parent since they basically have no child related expense anymore.
And you watch the stats to determine that kids raised under this setup do better than kids raised by single moms who are incapable of supporting their kids without government financing, as well as saving money. Maybe then paid surrogate motherhood could be accepted.
But I still think it’s all crap though. State raised children who know nothing but dependence on the state will continue to do so when they become adults. They will have no reason not to. It’s just shuffling the decks on the titanic. I’d like to think it would work, but can’t see how state run kids are going to be significantly better than welfare run kids. Both are poor substitutes for good solid parenting.
Ok. Then do it.
Socialism is to blame? Really? What makes socialism, socialism? PEOPLE. It is PEOPLE who make socialism, socialism.The banks are NOT using anything, they are thriving over a HUMAN BEHAVIOUR. A behaviour that MOST of mankind have, and will keep having, despite all your best efforts to erradicate it. Deal with that information.They are NOT trying to control anything, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY DO IT. ALL the money in ANY AND ALL countries goes through one, two, or more banks. Hell, even the banks PRINT THE GOD DAMNED MONEY. So, why would they “try to control something”, that they ALREADY DO? Open your eyes. See reality for itself.
Yes, it is. People do not make Socialism. Fiat currency does. It’s fraud, and it is a Ponzi scheme. The fractional reserve banking system is fraud; it is a con; a scam. Yes, Banks print the money. That’s fiat currency. With fiat currency abolished, Socialism can’t exist. So truly, you don’t understand. Truly, you do not see the big picture. None of this was reality when our currencies were backed by precious metals. Do you know why? Because women depended on men to survive.
In all actuality, I don’t have to rally you guys to change things. Fiat currency is permanently unsustainable anyway, and right now their first model, the European Union, is already collapsing. They are losing. The left is already losing the debate, because they didn’t even participate in it. Once the damage is done, it is highly unlikely that humans will ever again agree to the use of fiat currency. It is the war machine. So, I guess it really doesn’t matter. I don’t need MGTOW consensus on this. Grexit, Brexit, etc. Donald Trump is already taking steps to compel people to work receive welfare, snap, and grocery benefits from the government. They plan to completely pay off the national debt by 2030. When they do, we will most likely go back to backing the currency with gold or silver. In the mean time, it is also highly likely that the Chinese will begin backing the Yuan with gold. If they do, I’ll be all set. I do have to admit though, that I’m surprised that none of you seem to have any women in your life that you care about. Nieces? Daughters? Aunts? What about their futures? Would you rather they got knocked up by a nightclub sociopath or a ghetto gangster than by a responsible mathematician? When fiat currency is abolished, and it will be, who is going to take care of those women? Meanwhile, the left is eating itself and coming apart at the seems. I love this. Fiat will die, feminism is already dying, and pretty much every divisive ideology of the left has pitted all of them against one another in a divide and conquer scenario. I look forward to flying my “Gravity” Jet Pack over the Commie ghettos who have nothing but broken down vehicles and dilapidated houses. They deserve it for the communist abolishment of morality.
Would you rather they got knocked up by a nightclub sociopath or a ghetto gangster than by a responsible mathematician?
I would love to live in a society where women got turned on by mathematicians and were lining up to marry them. None of us have any power over women’s decision to have sex. It’s all based on FEELZ. And the dysfunctional men just naturally bring out the FEELZ for some damn reason. Some women just can’t help themselves. They are compelled to lay down on their backs and spread their legs for a man who has 10 other girlfriends and never spends a dime on the children he creates. They love being Chad’s cum-dumpster, but they also resent him for not being faithful (even though they are presented with irrefutable evidence that he never was faithful or ever did anything responsible). They’ll spin their hamster wheels and come to the conclusion that this is the complete fault of the patriarchy. Then they’ll make sure that those of us who are responsible will pay taxes for her mistakes (welfare), or seduce a beta male provider.
So how do you want me to change a million years of biological programming overnight? I’m all ears.
"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
Socialism is to blame? Really? What makes socialism, socialism? PEOPLE. It is PEOPLE who make socialism, socialism.The banks are NOT using anything, they are thriving over a HUMAN BEHAVIOUR. A behaviour that MOST of mankind have, and will keep having, despite all your best efforts to erradicate it. Deal with that information.They are NOT trying to control anything, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY DO IT. ALL the money in ANY AND ALL countries goes through one, two, or more banks. Hell, even the banks PRINT THE GOD DAMNED MONEY. So, why would they “try to control something”, that they ALREADY DO? Open your eyes. See reality for itself.
Yes, it is. People do not make Socialism. Fiat currency does. It’s fraud, and it is a Ponzi scheme. The fractional reserve banking system is fraud; it is a con; a scam. Yes, Banks print the money. That’s fiat currency. With fiat currency abolished, Socialism can’t exist. So truly, you don’t understand. Truly, you do not see the big picture. None of this was reality when our currencies were backed by precious metals. Do you know why? Because women depended on men to survive.
REALLY? LMFAO!
Yeah, there was NO socialism when the coinage was the norm, right? LMFAO… Governments are AS OLD, if not OLDER than coinage themselves. In F~~~ING SUMER there was a kind of social welfare, a kind of “socialism”. BEFORE Sumer, we lived in communities, we lived in a kind of socialistic family regime. Socialism has been with humans for AS LONG as humans were apes. Take a look at the apes, one of the most socialistic animals in the animal kingdom, who were MOLDED by it, becaus monkeys NEED TO be SOCIAL.Socialism WILL NEVER END. It will always be a part of the human nature, it will always be there, despite all its tries to kill it. Same as capitalism. Both sides of the human behaviour. Are them good or bad? Neither. The actions done by individuals that maybe bad or good.
People literally FLED from Europe, because the European states were becoming TOO SOCIALISTIC, and they ALREADY HAD backed currencies. Your argument is clear bulls~~~, born out of a lack of knowledge in History, specially World History.
The EVIL of mankind IS HUMAN BEHAVIOUR, not socialism. Socialism is JUST ANOTHER HUMAN BEHAVIOUR, and therefore, cannot be “ended”.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
In all actuality, I don’t have to rally you guys to change things. Fiat currency is permanently unsustainable anyway, and right now their first model, the European Union, is already collapsing. They are losing. The left is already losing the debate, because they didn’t even participate in it. Once the damage is done, it is highly unlikely that humans will ever again agree to the use of fiat currency. It is the war machine. So, I guess it really doesn’t matter. I don’t need MGTOW consensus on this. Grexit, Brexit, etc. Donald Trump is already taking steps to compel people to work receive welfare, snap, and grocery benefits from the government. They plan to completely pay off the national debt by 2030. When they do, we will most likely go back to backing the currency with gold or silver. In the mean time, it is also highly likely that the Chinese will begin backing the Yuan with gold. If they do, I’ll be all set. I do have to admit though, that I’m surprised that none of you seem to have any women in your life that you care about. Nieces? Daughters? Aunts? What about their futures? Would you rather they got knocked up by a nightclub sociopath or a ghetto gangster than by a responsible mathematician? When fiat currency is abolished, and it will be, who is going to take care of those women? Meanwhile, the left is eating itself and coming apart at the seems. I love this. Fiat will die, feminism is already dying, and pretty much every divisive ideology of the left has pitted all of them against one another in a divide and conquer scenario. I look forward to flying my “Gravity” Jet Pack over the Commie ghettos who have nothing but broken down vehicles and dilapidated houses. They deserve it for the communist abolishment of morality.
F~~~ them, and f~~~ you. You can take care of all of them, for all I care. Be my guest!
I REFUSE to take care of an adult-size child, with t~~~.
They can fend off for themselves, or simply face the consequences of their actions."Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
Would you rather they got knocked up by a nightclub sociopath or a ghetto gangster than by a responsible mathematician?
I would love to live in a society where women got turned on by mathematicians and were lining up to marry them. None of us have any power over women’s decision to have sex. It’s all based on FEELZ. And the dysfunctional men just naturally bring out the FEELZ for some damn reason. Some women just can’t help themselves. They are compelled to lay down on their backs and spread their legs for a man who has 10 other girlfriends and never spends a dime on the children he creates. They love being Chad’s cum-dumpster, but they also resent him for not being faithful (even though they are presented with irrefutable evidence that he never was faithful or ever did anything responsible). They’ll spin their hamster wheels and come to the conclusion that this is the complete fault of the patriarchy. Then they’ll make sure that those of us who are responsible will pay taxes for her mistakes (welfare), or seduce a beta male provider.
So how do you want me to change a million years of biological programming overnight? I’m all ears.He don’t. He thinks that “the end of socialism” will take care of that, as if AS SOON that things go back to be good once again, women would not go back to their old ways, and raise feminism once again. He lacks the complete understanding that it has been like that since Sumer. Rome had women depending on men, then the state took all, and they didn’t need men anymore, then the state fell, and they “suddenly” needed men once again… Rinse, repeat.
Byt the gods, I smell tuna. It is one harsh, giant smeel of rotten tuna, I tell you. Veniversum has a vagina, and I can almost prove it.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
F~~~ them, and f~~~ you. You can take care of all of them, for all I care. Be my guest!I REFUSE to take care of an adult-size child, with t~~~.They can fend off for themselves, or simply face the consequences of their actions.
Once again, Dark Kenshi you have proven that you have no argument. You make claims about history, but provide no specific references as to where you got the knowledge. Anyone can just say “research history”, that’s pretentious. The Socialism we have today is linked to Fabian school, Frankfurt school, and fiat currency, period. Anyone who researches those institutions, can see the modern version of what we have through fiat currency. The things you are calling Socialism, aren’t actually Socialism. In no way have I advocated for being a beta bucks cuck provider for bastard children. So once again, you are trying to make me out to be something else. I have railed against Socialism this entire time, so you think I’m what.. A right wing WOMAN? The administrators know that I’m a male because I revealed my actual identity to them in an email before. So this kindergarten idea that you are going to put me on trial as being a female is absurd. What are you so angry about? It seems like you are p~~~ed at me for exposing the entire left wing agenda, so you are trying to frame me to prevent people from listening to me so that the left will not be defeated. You fail, sir. Why do you support leftist ideas so much? Are you a communist also? You’re either for it, or against it. By refusing to fight it, you are supporting it.
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser” – Socrates
If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists.
F~~~ them, and f~~~ you. You can take care of all of them, for all I care. Be my guest!I REFUSE to take care of an adult-size child, with t~~~.They can fend off for themselves, or simply face the consequences of their actions.
Once again, Dark Kenshi you have proven that you have no argument. You make claims about history, but provide no specific references as to where you got the knowledge. Anyone can just say “research history”, that’s pretentious. The Socialism we have today is linked to Fabian school, Frankfurt school, and fiat currency, period. Anyone who researches those institutions, can see the modern version of what we have through fiat currency. The things you are calling Socialism, aren’t actually Socialism. In no way have I advocated for being a beta bucks cuck provider for bastard children. So once again, you are trying to make me out to be something else. I have railed against Socialism this entire time, so you think I’m what.. A right wing WOMAN? The administrators know that I’m a male because I revealed my actual identity to them in an email before. So this kindergarten idea that you are going to put me on trial as being a female is absurd. What are you so angry about? It seems like you are p~~~ed at me for exposing the entire left wing agenda, so you are trying to frame me to prevent people from listening to me so that the left will not be defeated. You fail, sir. Why do you support leftist ideas so much? Are you a communist also? You’re either for it, or against it. By refusing to fight it, you are supporting it.
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser” – SocratesOhhh, yeah, because I have not wrote a whole another comment, right up above that one. But no, you will completely ignore my arguments, and focus only on the parts where I tell you to f~~~ off, because you are ignorant. Specially in the libertarian principles and its analysis. You merely dove the under the surface of libertarianism, and you think you got it all solved up… LMFAO. You have much to learn, Padawan. Much.
You are not a “right-wing” anything. You are a WOMAN. Period. Only women think that there are “magical” solutions to the problems, while MEN KNOW that the solution is way more complicted than “just destroy the fiat currency and end socialism”, moron.
“In no way have I advocated for being a beta bucks cuck provider for bastard children.”
THAT IS EXACTLY what you are advocating, when you tell us that we “should take care of women”. They are bastard children, from another man, which happens to be able to provide you with other children, in which you CLEARLY tell uss to pay their bills and “put them in their place”, because all MGTOW men are “wrong”, if hey are not willing to provide for a titted adult-sized children and their womb turds."Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists.
Allahu Akbar, motherf~~~er.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
You are incorrect.. and I will gladly prove that I am not a woman, on video camera anonymously. However, I will no longer be wasting any of my time replying to you, since you are so blatantly incorrect, and make verifiably false accusations at me.
Your blatantly false claims:
- That I am not right wing, even though I constantly espouse typical right wing arguments
- That I am a woman, which is verifiably untrue. You completely ignored the fact I pointed out that my identity was revealed to administrators.
- That I advocate marriage, and beta cuckoldry, which I advocate neither of. I advocate REPRODUCTION.
Furthermore, you should consult my recent post about the use of sophistry, because you employ it entirely too much.. especially straw man fallacies and ad hominem. This is why I will waste no more time replying to you. I can’t respect a person who does not construct a proper argument. I just don’t value anything you have to say. Good day, sir.
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