You call yourself an Alpha?

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

I think most people have a twisted sense of who an alpha is. I see men going on these forums that they were a beta blue piller; their wife’s/girlfriend’s p*ssy was caved in by an alpha; they learned their lesson; and now they have taken the red pill.
But I think that to be an alpha, at least these two requirements should be met:
1) The man initiates the seduction, and
2) The seduction takes a standard length of time (not more, and certainly not less).

If the above two requirements have not been met, then the man who made your wife/girlfriend squeal was just another beta fa*got used by your whoring wife/girlfriend. I’ll explain why.
1) If the other guy didn’t initiate seduction, but your wife still f~~~ed him means that she initiated seduction and that the guy was just another beta like you who was flattered by your wife’s attention; unable to see that she was just stroking her ego by convincing that she’s still a sex seiren and desirable to men.

2) If the seduction didn’t take some standard length of time, then how can you be so sure that it wasn’t the guy who was manipulated by your wife into approaching her (some women prefer the indirect approach, you know).

A man who would f~~~ a woman just because she asks him to (or subtly gives him the signal) is NOT an alpha. He’s just a beta that the woman used to whore around.

[Anonymous 1]

What kind of post is this?

Are you rating the men that screw your wife as alpha or beta? What madness is this!

If someone else f~~~ed your wife, she is a whore. Who cares if the guy that f~~~ed her was alpha or beta? She betrayed you, you should leave. Period.

Besides, this alpha and beta definitions are defined by WOMEN. Regardless of who initiated the “seduction”, or how long it lasted, the factor that determines who is alpha or who is beta is the hierarchy the men has regarding the WOMAN. Why the f~~~ will I want to have my “hierarchy” defined by women? And why, in the nine hells, will I be worried on what rank my WIFE is giving to the MEN SHE IS F~~~ING?!?!?

Holy sh…! This post is beyond f~~~ed up.

[a bananaParticipant 288]

wtf are you on?

badkan is right, alpha LITERALLY ONLY means a male who Women deem to be suitable for reproduction. THAT IS ALL

edit:i just read on another post that you’re 19, well im 18 and i know at first its easy to get caught up in all the alpha-beta bulls~~~, but i assure you it means nothing, unless of course you define yourself based on how much sexual access women grant you, i suggest you get the idea of alpha and beta out your head as have i.

[BryantParticipant 229]

dumb so dumb

"He who lives with honor dies with honor."

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

And just who the hell are you?

 

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

My point exactly, it’s not the women labeling us but us ourselves. I’m only expressing outrage at men who call themselves beta just because another man f~~~ed their wife; when in reality it’s the woman’s who’s a whore. Do you think such men don’t exist? I’m thoroughly disgusted at such men!

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

I’m a new member. I joined the MGTOW community yesterday (20th). Although I’ve not been married or betrayed, I’ve had enough experiences to know the red pill is the right way to go.
– my mother’s a feminist, my father’s an oblivious blue piller
– all 3 of my aunts are feminazis, and 2 of my 3 uncles are manginas and the last one’s a blue piller (I witnessed all the 3 marriages and saw all of them going to hell)

[FIDKParticipant 32]

a banana wrote:

ares if the guy that f~~~ed her was alpha or beta? She betrayed you, you should leave. Period. Besides, this alpha and beta definitions are defined by WOMEN. Regardless of who initiated the “seduction”, or how long it lasted, the factor that determines who is alpha or who is beta is the hierarchy the men has regarding the WOMAN. Why the f~~~ will I want to have my “hierarchy” defined by women? And why, in the nine hells, will I be

I think Mr Vats makes sense. Beta target -> whore, she went looking for it. Alpha targeted -> still a whore, but she may still have an ounce of NAWALT in her to not kill the family pet during divorce.

 

[RoyDalParticipant]

I was never comfortable with that Greek letter thing. I do understand the anthropologist’s definition, having looked it up, but applying it to the 21st century dating scene not so much.

What Greek letter does the rogue elephant get? That’s the one I designate for myself.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Long shotParticipant 48]

The way I see it is that the alpha “takes” what he wants and the beta asks for what they want.
19 is just a number, some of us did things at that age that makes us grow up fast, some live like a child under the facade of maturity for their entire lives.

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

@fidk
Thank You. I was just trying to discern how MGTOWs are different from Red Pillers. I was hoping for the above responses (i.e. Disgust and Outrage).
MGTOW vs Red Pill

If a woman cheats on you, MGTOWs  would be like F~~~ ’em, they are whores; while Red Pillers would be like F~~~ You, you’re a Beta and it was right to have happened to you, come join us and become an Alpha.

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

I think we should stop using the motto “Alpha f~~~s and Beta bucks”. Women don’t cheat because their husband/bf is a beta, they cheat because they’re whores.
Every man who was cheated on is merely a Blue Piller (thinks women are lovely creatures) and a potential brother-in-arms (MGTOW).

[Long shotParticipant 48]

Guess we all need to come up with a clear set of definitions. Some sort of mgtow dictionary.

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

@Long Shot
I definitely agree. There’s too much overlap between PUAs, Red Pillers and MGTOWs. On the about page, there should be checklist of what MGTOW is and what is it not.

For e.g.
“Red Pillers” = Alpha f~~~s, Beta bucks. Your wife cheated? Good, that’s what you get for being a Beta. Join us today and we’ll make you an Alpha in no time. We’re essentially a PUAs with a fancy pop culture reference.
MGTOW = Men have an abundance of labor capital; they should use it to further their own goals and enjoy life instead of chasing women because neither a woman’s attention nor her affection is worth it. You get practically nothing for spending your labor capital on her.

The funny thing is that “Red Pillers” call themselves Red Pillers even though they don’t see women for what they are. In reality, MGTOWs are the real Red Pillers because they know the true form of a woman.

I, for one, agree with the MGTOW philosophy because I know the value of surplus labor capital. It means that instead of giving 95% of my paycheck to my wife/gf to spend it on whatever she likes, I’ll spend it on myself buying fine whisky, cuban cigars, and latest video games. Same goes for my time, instead of spending it to impress her or help her with chores, I’ll spend it on things that give me pleasure (including making myself a better man).

 

That’s why I’m here and not on r/TheRedPill. I don’t think any woman is worth our time or money.

Both the concepts are so different yet they’re used almost interchangeably.

 

[a bananaParticipant 288]

barbarossaa has a mgtow glossary on his website

sheddingoftheego

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

A dear user Gref explained it quite succintly. Here’s what he said:

“”MGTOW is for the most part a branch of Red Pill. Being Red Pill means you understand things like the gynocentric society and laws, that women are not inherently good, female nature, hypergamy, sexual market place dynamics etc. MGTOW and Red Pill both say you should never get married because it’s a f~~~ed up contract. If you’re MGTOW you most likely are a Red Piller. Scroll through the home page slides and you’ll see the red pill pop quiz, which is great by the way.

Where the two branch off is MGTOW is more about abstaining from women completely or as much as possible. Whereas straight Red Pillers put in effort to increase their sexual market value so they can get laid more. They still generally avoid relationships. Red Pill is not all about getting laid, but it is a big part of it.

For MGTOW and Red Pill communities to consider each other adversaries is ridiculous. That’d be like America considering Britain an enemy in WW2 despite them both fighting the Germans. Gynocentric society and femanazis are the enemy, MGTOW and Red Pill share a lot of ideas. Both communities spend the majority of their time discussing AWALT anyways.“”

[a bananaParticipant 288]

red pill is ALL ABOUT GETTING LAID- everything pua’s do is for pussy, it is the biggest pussybegging out there

MGTOW do not abstain from women, that is something for each man to decide. 2 of the best mgtow content producers:

stardusk-abstains from women

barbarossaa- f~~~s bitches

that user gref got it completely wrong, by all means have sex as a mgtow, noone said you cant. just dont pussybeg like these “redpillers”

 

 

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Unless you’re a wolf or a meerkat or some other such pack animal, terms like alpha and beta don’t apply to you. They are irrelevant to the human condition, which has better terms anyways. Nobody is alpha. Nobody is beta. But there are chumps, simps, patsies, as well as skeptics, and yes, even MGTOW.

On Red Pill versus MGTOW: The Red Pill is simply the knowledge that everything you’ve been taught by society about the nature of women and men’s relationships with them is a LIE. MGTOW are simply responding to that knowledge in the most sensible and effective manner. Pick up artistry etc. are other responses, though mostly ones based on the mistaken belief that red pill knowledge can be “gamed” into some sort of “success with women” strategy.

[Long shotParticipant 48]

Yeah PUAs are a little annoying and their actions seem somewhat contradictory to mgtow in that their lives are validated by female attention/affection. To me the Red pill is a reference to the matrix as in we realize that we are but a commodity to the females in our lives and we have been raised to think as such. S~~~, it only felt like yesterday when that movie came out.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

MGTOW isn’t about abstaining from women. MGTOW is about a man putting himself first and loving himself.

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