"Red Pill" Ideology vs. "MGTOW" Ideology

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

If anyone remembers when I first joined this site, I was questioning why I had TWO women within a span of a month tell me they were “asexual” and thus weren’t interested in me.

Out of sheer curiosity, I also decided to ask another site that deems themselves “Red Pill,” but not necessarily MGTOW.

Here’s the difference:  While both sites were telling me it’s because it’s merely because she’s not interested in me, THIS page was telling me it’s because women are deceptive and will lie to get out of anything just because that’s their nature.  You guys were honest and to the point, and “lovingly” blunt (which I appreciate, by the way).  The other site instead focused on telling me “it’s because you’re ugly.  Do something about your looks and she’ll be coming to you”, “make more money, then you’ll be drowning in women”, “you dried her up because you’re not interesting enough”, and so on.

The difference between the two:  This site is more “it’s not you, it’s women that are the problem.  You do whatever YOU want to do to better yourself.  Disregard those wenches.”  The other is “do what the women want, and you’ll be a cool dudebro like us.”  You guys came off a lot more welcoming and mature, while they felt like I was in high school again dealing with a bunch of white knighting jocks that called themselves “red pill.”

…And that’s why I’m still here now.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

And me 😊

[xgreenlanternoxParticipant 253]

Don’t ever take the advice of a Dudebro regarding women. Their one way ticket to sexual intercourse is shoving another steroid needle up their ass so that plastic chicks will flock to them. That’s a cesspool you don’t want to be a part of, believe me, I have dealt with the kinda chicks those guys score in the past and I wholeheartedly believe if that was all that was left, you’d be better off with a blow up doll.

Men here at MGTOW have a more realistic (and physically healthier) approach – i’d say stick with that one.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

That’s why I’m liking it so much on this site.  Heck, I’m on here more than I am on Facebook now.  Having alleged “red pill”ers tell me “no, THIS is how you land a woman” seems a little more purple/blue pill to me.  RPINOs (Red Pillers In Name Only), if you will.  I still have MY blue pill-ish moments, I’ll admit, but NOTHING I do now has to do with trying to center my life around women.  My decisions I make now are to better myself instead.  I’m not TRYING to “get laid,” I’m just trying to make my life more financially successful and overall happier…no woman required.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

My decisions I make now are to better myself instead.

Good plan!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

I think women are what would make it a long and “winding” road it many dead ends.  It’s a long road, but it’s no longer winding.  It’s much more straightforward.

[SMADParticipant 651]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

I think women are what would make it a long and “winding” road it many dead ends.  It’s a long road, but it’s no longer winding.  It’s much more straightforward.

The single life is SO much simpler.  I was food shopping today and I was casually eaves dropping on a youngish family (the girl was a moosepig) and the poor guy I have seen around my town from years ago as being a bit of a “player” picked up a jar of something and told her (his moosepig) “I love this stuff” and went to put it in the trolley, until the Moosepig had a meltdown *at* him and went on and on about how he can’t be selfish because they are a family now…

Seconds later, she sees a different jar (a pasta sauce) and she says “Oh I love this one though” and she puts it in the trolley.

At first, I felt sorry for the guy.  Then I felt smug and DEEPLY happy at how single I am and proceeded to do my food shopping with EVERYTHING I LIKE!!  My hardest decision I have to make every day?  “When shall I have a cup of tea?”

Simplicity is beautiful.  As you say about these “RPINO’s” @Megachris%, they make their lives SO much more complex trying to juggle multiple women, learning advanced “game” etc.

The result:  Not being able to choose your own jar of pasta sauce.  Not only is your manhood threatened, but now your groceries are in the firing sights…

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

That sounds completely accurate.  My female [temporary] roommate kind of did that when she first moved in.  She was given government assistance for food after an emergency got her booted essentially onto the streets.  For a reasonable amount of rent, I let her stay with me.  When she went to buy $300 of groceries that was supposed to be between the two of us, she would be putting in “weird” and expensive International foods…anytime I wanted to add something to the cart, it was questioned with “will my food stamp card be enough to cover that, though?  I dunno about getting that…”

Her behaving like that has caused me to consider upping her rent by about $100 a month.

[BryantParticipant 229]

i cant stand red pillers, they share so many qualities of manginas and white knights yet say they are so ALPHA, they think anything besides picking up women is a waste of time, for instance porn and video games, which to me sound like feminists as of late with the whole “gamergate” and womens overall hate of porn, possibly getting someone pregnant and or STDs no thanks.

"He who lives with honor dies with honor."

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

“Red Pillers” = Alpha f~~~s, Beta bucks. Your wife cheated? Good, that’s what you get for being a Beta. Join us today and we’ll make you an Alpha in no time. We’re essentially a PUAs with a fancy pop culture reference.
MGTOW = Men have an abundance of labor capital; they should use it to further their own goals and enjoy life instead of chasing women because neither a woman’s attention nor her affection is worth it. You get practically nothing for spending your labor capital on her.

The funny thing is that “Red Pillers” call themselves Red Pillers even though they don’t see women for what they are. In reality, MGTOWs are the real Red Pillers because they know the true form of a woman.

I, for one, agree with the MGTOW philosophy because I know the value of surplus labor capital. It means that instead of giving 95% of my paycheck to my wife/gf to spend it on whatever she like, I’ll spend it on myself buying fine whisky, cuban cigars, and latest video games. Same goes for my time, instead of spending it to impress her or help her with chores, I’ll spend it on things that give me pleasure (including making myself a better man).

That’s why I’m here and not on r/TheRedPill. I don’t think any woman is worth our time or money.

[GrefParticipant 203]

MGTOW is for the most part a branch of Red Pill. Being Red Pill means you understand things like the gynocentric society and laws, that women are not inherently good, female nature, hypergamy, sexual market place dynamics etc. MGTOW and Red Pill both say you should never get married because it’s a f~~~ed up contract. If you’re MGTOW you most likely are a Red Piller. Scroll through the home page slides and you’ll see the red pill pop quiz, which is great by the way.

Where the two branch off is MGTOW is more about abstaining from women completely or as much as possible. Whereas straight Red Pillers put in effort to increase their sexual market value so they can get laid more. They still generally avoid relationships. Red Pill is not all about getting laid, but it is a big part of it.

For MGTOW and Red Pill communities to consider each other adversaries is ridiculous. That’d be like America considering Britain an enemy in WW2 despite them both fighting the Germans. Gynocentric society and femanazis are the enemy, MGTOW and Red Pill share a lot of ideas. Both communities spend the majority of their time discussing AWALT anyways.

[url url=http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2d6337/i_was_divorce_raped_dont_be_me] I'm paying her 25% of my salary over the next eight years. I had to pay my lawyer, her lawyer, 50% of all my retirement funds and give her another few thousand dollars to make her go away. It cost me $20 to get married and will cost me over $220,000 to get divorced. [/url]

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

@gref
WOW! Make total sense. So, the equation looks like
Red Pillers = Just use women for sex, (not LTR, no Marriage). Spend time and money to make yourself attractive for women.
> MGTOW (subset of TRP) = no chasing women, no LTR, no Marriage. Spend time and money to do things that give you pleasure (can vary from                  individual to individual).

[EnlightenedMGTOWParticipant 291]

I think a true MGTOW is the logical progression of being a red-piller. There tends to be an overwhelming amount of hatred for women from red-pillers yet they are still obsessed with getting laid.

Think about it. A red-piller thinks he must learn “game” and all of these seductive techniques to get pussy and become an “alpha”. This strategy is inherently contradictory in itself because he must constantly put forth an inordinate amount of effort to operate on a higher intellectual and emotional plane than women in order to seduce and communicate with them.

A full-fledged MGTOW understands the stupidity of catering to women through such tactics and after consuming his red-pills (becomes educated on the true nature of women and society), he will spend his  time and effort in a different manner. Red-pillers are still largely a slave to their little heads and MGTOW learn to place their priorities into their big head.

Once the anger has dissipated… you are truly free.

Marriage is the disease, divorce is the cure. MGTOW is the vaccine.

[GrefParticipant 203]

Not an equation, more like a branch chart. TRP and MGTOW are both branches of Red Pill Ideology. You thought I was saying that MGTOW is a branch of TRP, that’s not what I meant.

____ Red Pill Ideology
______ /                 \
The Red Pill          MGTOW

The naming of TRP is redundant but that’s just how it’s worked out.

 

Red Pill Ideology: gynocentric society and laws, female nature, hypergamy, sexual market place dynamics, The Wall etc. This ideology spawns two camps, The Red Pill and MGTOW. Both have the same red pill knowledge but react differently to it. TRP says f~~~ marriage but bang a bunch of bitches and never commit. MGTOW says f~~~ marriage and abstain from women as much as possible.

[url url=http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2d6337/i_was_divorce_raped_dont_be_me] I'm paying her 25% of my salary over the next eight years. I had to pay my lawyer, her lawyer, 50% of all my retirement funds and give her another few thousand dollars to make her go away. It cost me $20 to get married and will cost me over $220,000 to get divorced. [/url]

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

@gref EXACTLY what I was thinking.  To me, the way The Red Pillers behaved was far to primitive for my tastes.  I felt like I was in a thread full of cave men or something that were laughing like Beavis and Butthead telling me “heh heh, huh huh, get laid and score tons of chicks!  That’s the way of life.  You’re ugly and poor if you can’t land any, and that’s all your fault.”  It’s hard to explain WHY I dislike that mentality so much.  The best way to think of it is it seems more like they’re looking to insult me and “take my chicks when I’m not looking” as they try to dominate me and each other as the “Ultimate Alpha Male.”

It just seems to me like some weird group of dudes trying to be the “top dog”, while on this site, we’re all supportive of each other.  We might tell each other things with complete brutal honesty, but we don’t do it to “top the other guy.”  We do it to support one another, and we say everything to help the rest of us become better men.

[Long shotParticipant 48]

Yes red pill is learning the s~~~, mgtow is doing what benefits you, I kinda think alpha is dominance, you cant let people walk over you, don’t take s~~~.

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

”You’re ugly and poor if you can’t land any, and that’s all your fault.”

This is why it was too bucolic for your taste. It blames men! They say: “Your wife got f~~~ed, your fault buddy for being a beta and not satisfying her enough”. Then they go on to praise the guy who f~~~ed the wife saying that he’s a real alpha. Their motto is: Alpha f~~~s, Beta bucks.

The testimonials on r/TheRedPill read something like this: “Of course I was a beta, it was only when my wife/gf’s pussy got caved in, I sought help and was introduced to the red pill. I’m an alpha now and f~~~ other people’s wives and girlfriends”

I don’t like this definition of Alpha and that was what I wanted to discuss on the thread You call yourself an Alpha? 

[Long shotParticipant 48]

Yes that’s the funny thing I was just reading a study from the 1800s on castrati’s. apparently the lack of testosterone and no physical labour made them stronger in early age but taller and pudgy as an adult, prone to sickness and unable to work.

[TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdomParticipant 58]

Wow, I thought actually I wasn’t the only one who thought there was a difference.  When discovering TRP forum I felt since that getting laid was not my sole occupation that I was a failure/beta if you will. Like the guy above, I won’t let myself be walked over, but achieving sex isn’t something I give two ounces of care for.

Honestly, this community seems more mature.

[revofireParticipant 5]

This is the most effective way to go through life because women LOVE when a man is independent of their approval and does his own thing (hence MGTOW). You become happier, you become stronger, you become better, and they rally behind you because they want what they don’t have.

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