Would You Want To Get Married If We Lived In A Traditional Society?

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

Eric Lauder wrote:

Puffin Stuff wrote:

Marriage is for beta simps who want to at least have a chance at sex and reproduction. Marriage is not for men.

This, substantially.
Marriage contract was mainly meant to ensure to average/beta men a regular sex life, in exchange they provided support to women and children.
In a modern society it’s largely surpassed, outdated.

For me this is a bit of a revelation and is ground breaking. In essence that was the whole point of the social contract of marriage – the lower 80% of men “sell” their excess labour for exclusive rights to a woman’s reproductive capacity. It truly is simply economics.

Yet feminism, and a socialist nanny government has reverted women back to a more precivilzation state. With social benefits providing the necessities of life through taxation, they are free to mate with the top 20% as evolution and biology dictated. The downside for them, once they hit the wall and are no longer reproductively viable, they become old, poor and powerless because any additional resources they were able to syphon off in their youth is now being directed to a younger model.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

No, i would not want to get married period.

i do not trust human nature, women were having secret affairs behind their mans back even in ancient cultures when the punishment for it was a brutal death …

i do not know what makes people think that tradition, or even laws, can dictate the nature of humanity, clearly they cannot.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Heraclius wrote:

What is your stance on this subject? 1) or 2)?

Those who believe the first haven’t figured out how women are as a gender. Those who think the second have summed up the experienced without going into more detail.

“Would You Want To Get Married If We Lived In A Traditional Society?”

Just make the conditions to get married so crazy women won’t marry you. Never bargain at the halfway point. Go full fantasy and bargain from there. They will leave you all alone at that point.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Heraclius wrote:

I’ve noticed that there are two contradictory things many MGTOWs say is the reason why they went MGTOW.

1) Feminism is to blame for destroying marriage. (so I assume MGTOWs that constantly bring this up actually want to be in a relationship but are refusing to do so because of possible legal problems etc.)
2) It’s in female nature to screw man over. It’s better to be single regardless of whether we have a trad system and laws in place or not.

So which is it? Many MGTOWs on Youtube use both of these arguments for being MGTOWs, and it’s a contradiction.

Those 2 things are not a contradiction. Yes, it is in female nature to screw men over to benefit themselves. That being said, the instinct to reproduce is strong, so men could be lured into marriage with tradeoffs.

Feminism ruined marriage in the sense that it did away with most of the positive tradeoffs that men got in exchange for dealing with female nature.

Further, marriage has never a real bargain for men, even in trad con societies. So in a way, feminists spoiling the few positive things men got from marriage simply made marriage a more noticeable bad deal for men. Feminists shine a big spotlight on female nature, and it becomes a wake up call.

My initial wakeup call was how bad feminist-influenced modern marriage is for men. My deep understanding came as a result of the fact that it has always been a bad deal.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[narwhalParticipant]

In other words, what are the terms of my boycott? Or perhaps, what sort of controls do you want to see on women’s behavior?

It’s not a boycott, and although I would like to see controls on women’s behavior (in the form of fair laws and such), that isn’t what’s going to do it for me.

I don’t think feminism is entirely to blame for the situation we are all in now. Part of it is that modern advances has made traditional housewives much less necessary. As well, men have to work less hours in order to provide himself (and possibly dependents). So marriage is less needed.

But there is also the personal aspect regarding my current condition. One, since I’m 45 the appeal of marriage is much lower since I’m not at the stage of my life where the potential benefit is much higher.

More importantly, I think my brain has ‘rewired’ somewhat over the past few years. I simply do not get emotionally positive thoughts at the aspect of cohabitation standpoint. I can understand how most men still do. It’s not about logic, it’s just how we are wired. Women would call that ‘broken’, but it’s a different state of being.

I have no doubt that most men would get an emotional high if an attractive woman said she wanted to move in with you. I would not. It’s not about what I think or logic, it’s simply about how my mind would react.

So in that regard, you can’t change the conditions of society and suddenly make marriage appeal to me. However, since I know I used to get good vibes from the idea of female cohabitation, I don’t want to say I never will again. I just don’t want to make an effort to change my mental state, since it is likely to lead to eventual downfall.

Ok. Then do it.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Without reading anything but the topic header.
No
After reading your Post.
Definitely not a chance in hell. I did it twice already and lost the t-shirt and medals.
No thank you at an offer of a 3rd time.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

I agree with Ranger One – good summary. In a trad con environment it MIGHT have been just worth it, what was given up was MAYBE equal to what you received in return, but now? definitely not. For me loyalty and commitment is paramount and you certainly don’t get that these days.

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