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Because secretly, we hope for a NAWALT Unicorn. However, reality dictates such a thing highly unlikely since AWALT. Which brings us to point two. We’d like to hope, in that small sliver of blue pillness that we have, that the perfect woman is out there, however the results speak to the contrary which results in us swearing women off.
I disagree with that and was going to say it sooner. In fact, I did say it earlier if a man is GHOW for those reasons outlined, he’s probably doing it wrong.
I didn’t make key choices in my life to go left or right based on women or anything they did. In fact, even when I was with a seemingly “NAWALT” unicorn, I still took a job in another city or did what was in my best interests – and the relationship ended.
I also strongly encouraged independence in women and practically pushed them out the door to pursue their own directions.
swearing off women
Sandman ( on youtube ) is an example who was in a relationship with a woman for 9 years I believe. He is “sandman” MGTOW because it didn’t work out with her. But if it DID work out with her, there would be no “sandman” at all??
Now I can understand making new choices after X number of experiences, saying “f~~~ this s~~~” and deciding to go your own way. That’s perfectly understandable…. but if a MGTOW is still pining for a unicorn, and he’s basically just one blowjob away, then he’s not really preferring to GHOW. He’s GHOW by circumstance.
For me, its’ a very conscious choice and preference, and I had options. I could have been married at least 5 times if that’s what I wanted… but I prefer the kind of relationship where she knows the door is open and she can LEAVE. This way, I know she’s there every minute because she WANTS to be – and not because of some sense of obligation.
There really isn’t any need to “swear off women”.
A man can just decide they aren’t worth pursuing.That’s my attitude. There are so many other things worth pursuing that are more rewarding. So you could introduce me to a perfect NAWALT unicorn and I really wouldn’t give a s~~~. Thats’ HONEST. Would I have a fling with her? Maybe. Who can say? But I wouldn’t trust her as far as I could cross that bridge when I get to it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.As soon as money is put aside by the Trump administration for battered men then you will see the opening of men’s shelters en masse as soon as possible. And there will be more men in shelters than women.
It’s all about the money.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Heraclius,
You have a good topic, but I think your post looks like you’re demanding your audience to respond or trying to set them up with a “gotcha” question. I may be wrong about your intentions, though. Speaking for myself: as long as someone posts a question in way that respects the MGTOW choice, I won’t mind answering.
I’m not sure that traditional marriages were a good idea in the first place. It certainly wasn’t my idea, I just thought it was the right thing to do when I was a teenager. I assumed I was going to be married, live in a suburb, and have 2 children when I was 14 years old because that was what other people were doing. I didn’t seriously think about what I wanted until I was 19 years old. Basically, I want to be a Playboy.
In the past, married couples were required to have a GOOD REASON to get a divorce. And since it wasn’t easy or socially acceptable to get a divorce, I think it’s safe to assume that people just endured miserable marriages. The United States was an unusual social experiment for its time in the 1700s. The concept of individual rights was revolutionary. It slowly progressed to include people of colour and women. When women decided to push toward bra-burning liberation from their role as the loving, supportive housewife, it was like the opening of Pandora’s box. All sorts of crazy stuff happened that couldn’t be undone. Women voted for politicians that pandered to their sense of entitlement. My American society slowly shifted from honoring the social status of men to honoring women. Women were granted their rights without the burden of military conscription (at least we, as men, were willing to fight for our rights!).
After the 1960s, the feminist party went into full swing with birth control pills, abortion, welfare for single mothers, no-fault divorces, child support, alimony, and a court system that showed deference to poor, defenseless wives (who claimed to be strong & independent). I’m pretty sure we would’ve seen the same results if women were given this much leeway (and government favors) in the 19th century.
In my opinion, the nature of women didn’t change, just the society they lived in. My society become more socially liberal, and women naturally took advantage of it. I dare any pussyhat-wearing American woman to go to Iran or Afghanistan to start a bra-burning rally.
As I stated before: I’m a Playboy. That’s my true nature. I don’t care if the laws are changed in my favor (which won’t happen), I still won’t sign a marriage contract. Taking an oath to be faithful to one woman for a lifetime sounds honorable…until the wife decides that she doesn’t FEEL LIKE honoring our sacred trust anymore. That could happen within a year or 20 years after she says, “I do.” And even if she couldn’t get a divorce, she would find ways to make me suffer. I don’t have time for that nonsense. I want my freedom—as much as possible–and private property rights.
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"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
I believe Tom Leykis said it best – marriage is basically you putting up with someone else’s crap.
I heard that show! But it wasn’t Leykis who said it. It was a woman who phoned in. They were talking and he said “I didn’t want to put up with her crap anymore”. And she said “but that’s what marriage IS!!!”
And Leykis said “YOU HEAR THAT EVERYBODY?? THAT”S WHAT MARRIAGE IS!! PUTTING UP WITH SOMEONE ELSE’S CRAAAAP!!” and he cut to commercial.
And then you see s~~~ like this out there.
Research finds women feel happy when their husband or partner is upsetWell thanks ladies. Really appreciate the heads up.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Because secretly, we hope for a NAWALT Unicorn. However, reality dictates such a thing highly unlikely since AWALT. Which brings us to point two. We’d like to hope, in that small sliver of blue pillness that we have, that the perfect woman is out there, however the results speak to the contrary which results in us swearing women off.
I disagree with that and was going to say it sooner. In fact, I did say it earlier if a man is GHOW for those reasons outlined, he’s probably doing it wrong.
I didn’t make key choices in my life to go left or right based on women or anything they did. In fact, even when I was with a seemingly “NAWALT” unicorn, I still took a job in another city or did what was in my best interests – and the relationship ended.
I also strongly encouraged independence in women and practically pushed them out the door to pursue their own directions.
swearing off women
Sandman ( on youtube ) is an example who was in a relationship with a woman for 9 years I believe. He is “sandman” MGTOW because it didn’t work out with her. But if it DID work out with her, there would be no “sandman” at all??
Now I can understand making new choices after X number of experiences, saying “f~~~ this s~~~” and deciding to go your own way. That’s perfectly understandable…. but if a MGTOW is still pining for a unicorn, and he’s basically just one blowjob away, then he’s not really preferring to GHOW. He’s GHOW by circumstance.
For me, its’ a very conscious choice and preference, and I had options. I could have been married at least 5 times if that’s what I wanted… but I prefer the kind of relationship where she knows the door is open and she can LEAVE. This way, I know she’s there every minute because she WANTS to be – and not because of some sense of obligation.
There really isn’t any need to “swear off women”.
A man can just decide they aren’t worth pursuing.That’s my attitude. There are so many other things worth pursuing that are more rewarding. So you could introduce me to a perfect NAWALT unicorn and I really wouldn’t give a s~~~. Thats’ HONEST. Would I have a fling with her? Maybe. Who can say? But I wouldn’t trust her as far as I could cross that bridge when I get to it.
I understand that. I’m simply saying that we’ve had a few people on here who said they would have considered it if the laws changed. Now, I’m sure there’s a few here who still have some blue pilled beliefs in their system that perhaps deep down think about that one unicorn. Hell, we forget when we cite marriage statistics that it’s not just MGTOW’s walking away from marriage. But everyone eventually does for for their own reasons. Many of us here understand female nature and want no part of it. We also understand the system and want no part of that. While you may not settle down with a unicorn, someone else might. I think the belief at one point is we’d all find the unicorn. The reality was a far different thing. But we’re also living in a world where we have monks, and we have guys who pump and dump. Everyone has a different road, and their own goals. Some have said if the laws changed, they’d consider it, some say if the laws change it wouldn’t matter. In the end it’s up to the individual.
No.
Because simply living in a ‘traditional society’ in itself would still not result in any changes to ingrained, underlying female psychology and behavior.
So, just living in a traditionalist society would never change the fundamental, core problem:
Which is women’s true nature / ingrained pathological female psychology.
Interesting topic. I had many many chances to marry along the way. Not sure exactly why I did not pull the trigger. Always in the back of my mind I just thought; once I marry, the fun is over. I think that my overall goal in life has always been one of freedom, but within the confines of reality. The reality is that I have to earn money to live, thus job equals money which leads to a life doing what I want and can afford. Marriage never looked like freedom to me. I sometimes have a slight twinge of regret about never having kids, but it passes. I have tons of friends, many of them are mgtows, and we have lots of fun. Now the blue pills of the world would say I am hedonistic and self absorbed, and a waste of a good plow horse. And I say, I have put far more into this world than the average woman, I earn what I spend, I don’t take from the Government, and I don’t fleece women for their money like the grifter women of the world. But I never really understood why I was cautious before I came to this site. So I pick Number 2.
Heraclius:
One wants to think very carefully before you post on this site. Its not a place to spitball humor or philosophical ideas at the wall, from what I have observed. Another thing I have observed is that many of the men here have had some rough times, for me it is hard to relate as I have not been put through the ringer of divorce, had my children taken, or lost my assets. I have had it easy, I have not had to face those hard times.The most important thing you can do is ask yourself, what do I really want out of life. Really think about it, and always be true to yourself. Then Do it.
No matter how traditional society gets, and with all the knowledge I have so far, I would still not want to get married.
It will be like knowingly walking into a cell in a well guarded prison, where prisoners are subjected to hard labour, and asking to be a permanent resident there.
My brother make you no follow sheeple o. Look them and Go Your Way.I understand that. I’m simply saying that we’ve had a few people on here who said they would have considered it if the laws changed.
Well it’s only natural to want to pair bond too…. find a girlfriend…. mate….. whatever. So I understand all of that too. When I was little kid, I dreamed of getting married at 16 and already had the girl picked out. I knew her since were was 4.
If I were Forrest Gump, she would have been my “Jenny”.
And we all know how that played out.Funny thing is, I never even once kissed her. I kissed a lot of other girls though and by the time we were in high school, I didn’t care much for her anymore….. but she started to like me. Isn’t that always the way.
There’s nothing wrong with any of it of course. It’s living with her and the damn marriage contract that will come up and bite your ass.
You know, I saw “Jenny” again. 25 years after our high school graduation. She still looked pretty good too. But too much time had gone by and I learned too much to even be REMOTELY nostalgic about her.
Like the time Tom Cruise dated Cher.
I bet he looks back at that and thinks “WTF was I thinking??”
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I have to add that the immediate society where I live (in Africa) is still as traditional as you can imagine it to be in these modern times.
But that doesn’t stop females from being females.
Foolish is the man who is aware of the true nature of women and still goes ahead to enter a legally backed, lifelong commitment with one (or more) of them.
My brother make you no follow sheeple o. Look them and Go Your Way.Most of us MGTOW could never go back to the plantation because once those Red Pills take hold, you can never again even remotely enjoy a Blue Pill existence.
If the society does somehow maintain a traditional one for a generation, those young kids who grew up in this new traditional society will be more willing to take up those traditional gender roles.
I was disinclined to marriage long before I learnt how bad that institution has become, so it was never in the books for me in the first place.
Marriage: About as appealing as wood-chipper diving.
Determine the type of traditional society.
In Mediterranean societies the ‘traditional’ way is an arranged marriage or a semi arranged marriage when the man is in his early twenties and the woman between 16 to 20. The parents of both would have to agree and there would be a dowry involved from the woman’s side and ideally a house/plot of land from the man’s side.
If the two were lucky enough they would have met and introduced each other to their parents. If not they would have met each other a few months before the arranged marriage. Pre-marital sex was also a big taboo.
In such a society I would probably have ended up married, if only because I would have been thrown into the situation in the most stupid years of my life.
I believe Tom Leykis said it best – marriage is basically you putting up with someone else’s crap.
And then you see s~~~ like this out there.
Research finds women feel happy when their husband or partner is upsetThis I believe.
I had an ex, in a drunken moment of clarity tell me, it was only during heated arguments, that she truly felt alive.
This actually does make sense, as we do know that women do love their tingles, and what’s “exciting”, such as flings with chads.
"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt
As soon as money is put aside by the Trump administration for battered men then you will see the opening of men’s shelters en masse as soon as possible. And there will be more men in shelters than women.
I think ‘men only’ apartments or gated communities would work. I’m guessing they would have no trouble filling them, at least with older guys who’ve been in marriages or several relations~~~s.
I would settle for a men only retirement home. Do they have something like that now???
It will be like knowingly walking into a cell in a well guarded prison, where prisoners are subjected to hard labour, and asking to be a permanent resident there.
Institutionalized…
Cher is a bit of a gay icon right? That explains the Tom Cruise thing.
No I wouldn’t; even if the laws changed, society collapsed, and we had a total cultural reset. I married once believing this delusion; never again.
Since the blinders were taken off I look at all “good” marriages and think – f~~~ that. Take my parents, whom I love to death. They have been married 40+ years. My poor dad gets nagged at constantly, my mom is a glorified late 60s infant who’s had everything done for her. Constantly complaining. And this is a “good” marriage.
Don’t get me wrong; I had an excellent childhood. My mom is not a feminist. Giving up my freedom, for s~~~ty companionship is just not worth it. As I get older (late 30s), even sex with girls in there early 20s is fun but limited.
I’m starting to develop hobbies which is taking the place of chasing poon. For example, sailing really appeals to me – just doing some preliminary research of where to start.
- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein
Marriage is for beta simps who want to at least have a chance at sex and reproduction. Marriage is not for men.
This, substantially.
Marriage contract was mainly meant to ensure to average/beta men a regular sex life, in exchange they provided support to women and children.
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If the society does somehow maintain a traditional one for a generation, those young kids who grew up in this new traditional society will be more willing to take up those traditional gender roles.
If you look at restoring marriage as fixing a problem, then the damage done will take far more than 1 generation to fix. We are already in a position where there are more unwed people than wed, which means its already become normalized to not marry.
Even if the laws all change and gender roles shift back over the next 20 years…you still have a generation growing up that is going to be looking at a lot of unwed people, and a lot of the unwed never been divorce f~~~ed dudes are going to be happy and far better off financially then their married or many of their divorce raped counter parts.
Having kids outside of marriage has also become normalized. Many guys state they married because they wanted to have children. Well you don’t have to do that anymore. Its not like marriage guarantees you any more rights as a father than just being a sperm donor boyfriend.
I think the only thing that could “fix” marriage would be in addition to marriage/divorce laws being changed, we would have to have massive amounts of women staying virgins and refusing to have sex until married, and they’d actually have to put out consistently after the wedding. Sex would have to be unobtainable to the average dude without getting married and plentiful for a married dude. As long as they keep riding the carousel til they hit the wall guys are going to realize sex is easy to get and women are whores and neither of those things encourage marriage. We all know we aren’t going to see that happen in today’s society so adios marriage!
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