Would a woman say that you are manipulating her?

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Antonio wrote:

She (and some other friends) say that i am the negative influence.

She doesn’t respect you. Her friends don’t respect you. That’s why they’re saying those things.

Why do you want to spend time & emotional energy on someone that doesn’t respect you?

Spend time & energy & money on yourself.

[Anonymous 54]

Antonio wrote:

Amazing all this, one of the things we had in common was to achieve health. She is healthier than me right now and earns more than me for sure.

women will very rarely give you a srait up direct answer.She just wants to move to greener pastures. She needs to make it your fault,rather than her questionable caricture. Focus on your health Brother.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Get rid of that girl, all her friends, and ANY other “friends” that side with her. They are dangerous to you as far as your mental and physical health.

You don’t need them; you never did, and you need to realize that.

Now, as far as the manipulation goes, I only talk straight with women. I don’t let them push their agenda onto me, which they will ALWAYS try to do, literally every single time without a doubt, AND if you don’t give in, they will act like you’re hurting them.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[AntonioParticipant 142]

Keymaster wrote:

She said to me “I don’t think that’s a good idea. You can be pretty convincing.” …. as if I was somehow thinking of “manipulating” her into doing something she didn’t want to do.

This is what i could say to her right now…she can be so convincing of our future together, of how she trust myself, then the opposite.

Keymaster wrote:

After 3 years of living together and 8 years of knowing each other… she projects that “how do I know I can trust you?” pre-victim s~~~, where I am now expected to *PROVE myself.

She said the same to me. “you are a perfect no trusting man, just like my father” also said you are acting just like my father manipulated my mother…etc.

The fact is. His father is almost alcoholic and sometimes i think he is beeing manipulated by her even and i “guess”, he was manipulated by her mother as well. Why? My “love” only call him when she has a problem ( i can see that i am in some way simmilar to this also with my family, which i have dumped now, even with some friends??). Also, her mother history: 3 men in her life (as i know). Her father i think he is still being abused now by another women seeing his addictions and state of health, the next boyfriend of her mother died from cancer, and the new one is one of this sort of quiet/saint men that do anything the mother says (but he is healthy). I was maybe strong in my dependence of course to just make her dump me…i dont know for sure. I am in some way sad for her, because if all this is true, then her mother has made think her that her father was a f~~~ing manipulative person, when i dont think so, he is only a poor guy, he was even really handsome. Also, i know that her previous boyfriend ended dumping her schizophrenia pills and having recurrents attacks, and she blamed him (but i can see the truth behind all this).

Keymaster wrote:

Then the only manipulator is HER. Her FAKE hair color. Her makeup. Her push up bra. Her indirect communication style. Her FAKE eyelashes. Her FAKE nails. Lying about her age, weight, and her motivations. Lying about being on the pill….

This woman doesnt use those things. This is the natural type, amzing body, really strong, natural and spiritual ideas, and is really nice….i think that she, in some way also suffers with me. We have a strange bond together for sure.

Keymaster wrote:

The thing about manipulators is, they think they aren control of everything. And that’s their hubris. Because NOBODY is easier to manipulate…… than a manipulator.

Then she is right and i am a manipulator as well. And i think i am in some ways due to whatever psychological issues i have.

[AntonioParticipant 142]

Jackinov wrote:

Now, as far as the manipulation goes, I only talk straight with women. I don’t let them push their agenda onto me, which they will ALWAYS try to do, literally every single time without a doubt, AND if you don’t give in, they will act like you’re hurting them.

Could you elaborate this one for an no Native english speaker?

[experiencedParticipant]

WALK

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Antonio wrote:

Jackinov wrote:

Now, as far as the manipulation goes, I only talk straight with women. I don’t let them push their agenda onto me, which they will ALWAYS try to do, literally every single time without a doubt, AND if you don’t give in, they will act like you’re hurting them.

Could you elaborate this one for an no Native english speaker?

“Don’t bulls~~~ me, woman, I don’t play those games.”

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[OgreParticipant 5863]

Antonio, you said that currently she has you deleted and blocked from social media. If she EVER undoes that, then this entire thing was a bid to manipulate you. I keyed in on the fact that you said her previous boyfriend dumped her schizophrenia pills.

She was broken before you met her and you still allowed some element of her to change your mind on what should be plainly obvious. Bad Mother/Father relationship, uses her Dad, and psycho. Use the fact that you are blocked and deleted to begin building space away from her forever. She’s not toxic, she’s a goddamn spiritual vampire.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Dump her and never talk to her again.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

SHE SAID THAT TO F~~~ WITH YOUR HEAD.

NEVER NEVER NEVER talk to that woman again.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[Anonymous 11]

Muster your strength and run for the hills!

As stated prior, only a woman who is manipulating you would say something like that.

Women manipulate at levels men will never attain. What you know is only the tip of the iceberg of her deceits. Rid her from your life.

This hen has you caught up in so much drama you are not free to be yourself. Use the Red Pill here. It will save you mega grief up the road. Quit caring about her. She is controlling you whenever you think about her.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

First off, she blocked you. So stay blocked. If she contacts you, just tell her she was right, that you are better off apart. And mean it.

One chance, per chick, per lifetime. Think of how much happier you’d be right now if you had stayed dumped after the first time. You are the poster child for why this statement is correct.

Order the good wine

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Antonio wrote:

She said the same to me. “you are a perfect no trusting man, just like my father” also said you are acting just like my father manipulated my mother…etc.

This is why you should not even THINK about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Muster your strength and run for the hills!

experienced wrote:

WALK

MgtowWave wrote:

SHE SAID THAT TO F~~~ WITH YOUR HEAD.
NEVER NEVER NEVER talk to that woman again.

THAT ^^^

The last thing you need in your life is a bitch guilting you with s~~~ like that. She can say nice things to you and be kind… or she (and her daddy issues) can f~~~ right off.

What a toxic attitude.

Would a woman say that you are manipulating her?

Who CARES “what a woman would say”. She can SAY you are manipulating her. She can also “say” you’re an asshole.

Who cares what she “says”.
Pay attention to what she DOES.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Don’t even reply to that s~~~ OP. The second you even try to reason with her, you’re playing a losing game: arguing a negative.

Do not allow yourself to be pulled into that frame; do not allow her to make one lazy comment that will make you try to justify yourself to prove that you are NOT something. It’s insane.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

Do not allow yourself to be pulled into that frame; do not allow her to make one lazy comment that will make you try to justify yourself to prove that you are NOT something. It’s insane.

That’s a far more important point than listening to what she “says”.

Asking you to stand on your hind legs so you can jump through hoops to “prove” you’re not manipulative (or trustworthy) is the oldest trick in the book….. just so she can sit there with her arms folded saying “Aw, isn’t that cute. Look what I can make him do”.

She can get a puppy for that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

It seems that Antonio might be Hispanic. Can someone with command of Spanish try translating all the member advice into Spanish?

Like “WALK, run for the hills, Dump her, leave her, flee,” and so forth into Spanish. That might help Antonio to get the message.

[Anonymous 54]

MgtowWave wrote:

SHE SAID THAT TO F~~~ WITH YOUR HEAD.

NEVER NEVER NEVER talk to that woman again.

Thats all women are doing when you talk to them. One way or another they are f~~~ing with your head.I speak with women as infrequently as posable these days. Its amazing how much clearer your brain functions with out alot od female garbage clogging up the works. Try it. Youl see.

[AntonioParticipant 142]

Ok men, all is clear now with all your support here, there were some things that i always knew till first stages (even first message she reaching me) but i always thought that we could solve our issues working together, simply, it was impossible due to our broken souls and possible flaws. I usually tend to think that these sorts of things are 50% fault of each other (althought i tend to blame myself for the mayority of the issues)

As a side note, i would like to say the following:

This is not the first time that this sort of things happen to me and i really know that blaming another person for ones own problems could not be the real deal. I tend to think that there is something i am hosting that leads me to this type of relationships, not beeing mature or strong enough to permit these sort of women make this to me (call it adhd, candida, infections, or emotional dependency due to poor parenting, narcissism, codependence, toxicity… i really dont know…) so, what else is needed to know to work on that part oof ourselves, i mean to be true of ourselves, not needing anyone to save us…and beeing able to talk staright to women…you know where i want to go? I lived some things on my own home when child with my parents divorcing, blaming, fights, trials, father dumped from home and even abuse to myself (i think). So i am a broken soul right now also.

What i told didnt picture an 1% of what we have been talking and doing and the nightmare that i have endured, but its a big picture.

Ogre wrote:

the fact that you said her previous boyfriend dumped her schizophrenia pills.

And as a clarification for this. I typed it wrong. It was him himself who ditched the schyzophrenia pills. So he ended having a schyzophrenia attack again. She, and i, were a lot onto the natural healing methods, but ended at home smoking weed and drinking cofee and chocolate, so it is sort of a toxic relationship for sure.

[AntonioParticipant 142]

Yes, hispanic. I changed my nickname even yesterday to other one more annonimous but i dont kow why it wasnt changed.

I dont even need that Forewarned, sometimes there are certain cites that are difficult, just that, i try to use some translator like street dictionary for those, thanks for it though.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Antonio wrote:

So i am a broken soul right now also.

Try not to think of it that way.

You’re always……. “a work in progress” and you will continue to refine yourself.

Be careful with the things you accept personal responsibility for. When you look closer, you will notice that you will accept responsibility for things that are not your doing, not your problem, and not your place to fix.

Point the finger where it belongs.

You will notice she is not taking the attitude that SHE is a “work in progress”. She is making a point of telling you what YOUR problems are and what YOU need to fix – (instead of herself).

Don’t ever give a woman permission to do that.

Women are so quick to tell you what’s wrong with you – if you let them – but they never seem to pick up a mirror and took a good long look at themselves. However cleverly you sneak up on a mirror, your reflection always looks you straight in the eye.

Antonio wrote:

Yes, hispanic. I changed my nickname even yesterday to other one more annonimous but i dont kow why it wasnt changed.

You can change your display name anytime, but in order for it to change your display name in the forums, you just need to refresh your profile page (or revisit it) once.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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