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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE0L7nHCbaQ fitting to describe all the shaming that is happening here đ
Anonymous1I don’t have time to go in depth on this thread right now, but basically your whole argument is:”women cannot support themselves, so let men carry everything on their backs since, if we don’t, civilization would end”.
it is irrational since it will lead to the destruction of our civilization
Which is, if I am not mistaken, appealing to emotion.
Look, if civilization “survival” is inconvenient to men’s rights, including our right to pursue our own happiness, then I say: the hell with it.
You also seems obsessed in pinning feminism into me. Are you projecting something?
seems to me youâve overdosed by feminism to believe that men and women are actually equals.
Yes, I believe in equal OPPORTUNITIES, not for the sake of women, but so MEN don’t HAVE TO CARRY WOMEN as we always did. You, on the other hand, looks eager to go back to the plantation. So go on, I am not stopping you.
There is probably more to be said, but like I said, my time now is short.
One last thing, interesting for you to say:
shaming techniques. nice!
While on the previous post you said this:
we have this irrational arrogance here in the west to
If thatâs a marriage proposal, Iâll have to disappoint you. Youâre not my type.â
I will be using this!
Marriage? Â No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.
I donât have time to go in depth on this thread right now, but basically your whole argument is:âwomen cannot support themselves, so let men carry everything on their backs since, if we donât, civilization would endâ.
so do I thats why I said all what I have to say in my previous post, women can support themselves but not entirely, they need a man and will always do. they need us more than we need them.
I’ve learned better not to drag myself in endless discussions with people who revert to personal attacks. we have different points of view and I have no problem with that but you apparently do. and despite all what I have wrote u picked the sentences that u found vulnerable to an attack.
unlike you this is not my technique in discussing a subject. I don’t try to force my point of view on people but rather try pass it on to them, and if they rejected it, well at least their aware of it, and I would openly accept others opinion after all they might be a source of an idea or inspiration.
this is what I have to say. and I won’t discuss this any further. have a good life!
I don’t trust women because they have not giving me enough reason to think otherwise.
Anonymous1Well, first things first.
Iâve learned better not to drag myself in endless discussions with people who revert to personal attacks. we have different points of view and I have no problem with that but you apparently do. and despite all what I have wrote u picked the sentences that u found vulnerable to an attack. unlike you this is not my technique in discussing a subject. I donât try to force my point of view on people but rather try pass it on to them, and if they rejected it, well at least their aware of it, and I would openly accept others opinion after all they might be a source of an idea or inspiration.
So, I did not make any personal attacks, at least at first. I was attacking your arguments, that, as far as I can tell, are flawed. My previous post was but a sample of the rebuttal I was going to make to your response, so I couldn’t take all your post, I had to chose those sentences that I thought were more compelling or the weakest for a quick reply. the full thing is going to be the following. Besides, if you don’t like such a thing, you would well not dismiss other people rationale as “irrational”, “hateful”, “feminist driven” and other emotional garbage. You claim on your last post this not being your “technique” but looking back you were the one with the passive aggressive attitude:
Iâve been MGTOW for too long to realize hating the other sex completely is not the way to go, and a very unrealistic approach that goes against human nature.
shaming techniques. nice!. couldâve mistaken this for a feminist discussion, it is irrational since it will lead to the destruction of our civilization.
seems to me youâve overdosed by feminism to believe that men and women are actually equals
As for “forcing my point of view on people”, please, give me a break. I post here my thoughts and you are welcome to do whatever you want with it. Individuals behave differently, and I happen to like expressing opposing points of view under the same general line of thinking. As I said before, you are welcome to go back and be a slave to women while they pretend to be “submissive to you”, while you are the one taking care of them and taking all the responsibilities, just don’t expect me to praise you for that.
women can support themselves but not entirely, they need a man and will always do.
With that being said, to your original response:
not really Iâm talking about guys who share their prospective and ideology peacefully, and itâs usually in line with MGTOW concept. but are being attacked cuz of their slight diversity.
Again, bulls~~~. This pc (politically correct) crap don’t work with me. Men and women have different ways of dealing with discussion. If you want consensus, you are probably on the wrong spot, that’s what women do. If you post your opinion here, you better assume it will be dissected, analyzed and criticized, at least by me. And you better hold your ground, or ignore the criticism. Both are valid stances. But don’t try to pull the “diversity” card here. We couldn’t care less about the past, race, creed of the people who post here. Their ideas is what is been taken in consideration. I can’t speak for anyone else, but me, but that’s how I see this forum.
lets face it, you give half the population special privilege and pink slips to do whatever they want, guess what injustice will happen and those with power will abuse the privilege being men and women or even children. itâs human nature! the blame is why this is continuing to happen?
The emotional baggage I was referring to had nothing to do with women. I mentioned it to illustrate that men have other problems as well, usually worse then women and despite that we are supposed to not show any sign of emotion. That was my original intent. You are the one labeling men’s emotions as “very unrealistic approach that goes against human nature“. If women were the cause of such emotion, expressing this emotion is somehow wrong? Yeah, well done, spoke like a true feminist. Except they would say “man up”.
Besides, comparing men’s reaction with women’s reaction when in power and call it all as human nature is a HUGE understatement on men’s self control, and a huge BAIL OUT on women’s responsibilities on the current affairs of things. Men, in the past, had the majority, if not all, the formal power. And what we chose to do with such power? We tried our best to accommodate the best we could the other 50% of the population, a.k.a women. WOMEN on the other hand, not only are demonizing masculinity and men on every opportunity, but they want even MORE POWER. Do you really think, that if men were like women on the respect, there would be feminism? Of course not! If that was the case, as you imply, then the feminist rhetoric would be true, women would REALLY be oppressed and, the sickest part is, they would probably LIKE IT. But the catch is, men are NOT like that, so this “its human nature” narrative fails on this front. Also, if human nature were unavoidable, then there would be no MGTOW, since looking for a partner and reproducing no matter what is part of human nature as well, and yet you see more and more men opting out. So “human nature argument fails on this front as well. “Human nature” not only it is not always right, but it can be bypassed. Besides, you contradict yourself later on, by trying to shame me on thinking that “seems to me youâve overdosed by feminism to believe that men and women are actually equals”. So which one is it? Are we equals or not?
herbivore men are the product of the equality crab that we exported to the Japanese. liberating women etc. their MGTOW with no one consent, it came naturally to them as it came naturally to us, but in a different form and shape.
Herbivore men, as far as I can tell, is the product of MEN BEING THE SOLE RESPONSIBLE FOR WOMEN. You know, just like you are preaching is the way to go. Do some research. In japan, a man works around 80 hours a week and gives ALL HIS MONEY to their wives, and he receives an ALLOWANCE. HE IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING. It should work, RIGHT? After all, it is human nature. And yet, Japanese people realize how s~~~ty this deal was and walked away.
left over women in China proves the point of marriage even further, and pushes women to get married and have kids even more. I fail to see ur point.
How does, women not getting married, proves the point that marriage works even further? According to YOU, marriage is only not working on western countries or countries influenced by western culture. Isn’t the fact that women, in China, NOT GETTING MARRIED, disproves that MARRIAGE WORKS? Unless China is a western flooded culture.
yes they are! again where have you been living, women relied on men for resource since the beginning of time, given they raise children, nurture and serve their men!.
So here is your response to my comment where I say that woman are a negative investment.
And, again, I already covered this. What worked on a pre-industrial era does not necessarily works on a digital age. Besides, how can you say that women serve men, when all they do is BARELY nurture and raise children (after a certain age children spend more time on school then with the mother) while the MEN is the one slaving away HIS life to ensure the survival of the WHOLE FAMILY. On top of that, you sound like MEN WERE UNCAPABLE OF VEING NURTURING PARENTS and that mothers are AUTOMATICALLY GOOD AT IT. Maybe you should read more stories on the divorced men on this very site.
seems to me youâve overdosed by feminism to believe that men and women are actually equals.
I believe in EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES and on every person being able to PULL THEIR OWN F~~~ING WEIGHT. Unlike you that apparently think of women being incapables of much, giving them the pussy pass to lynch over a men’s wallet and life.
yes Arabs and Muslims are not known for their technological edge but their numbers among cooperations and universities are increasing in key positions, coincidence? donât think so. imagine if their talent is being harvested back home in their countries. would we still have the this edge?. after all they were at the peak of civilization when we were slaughtering each other in the dark ages.
So what? Women are the majorities on universities as well. They are best on cooperation, and yet, despite all that, they are RARELY the ones that make the scientific breakthroughs or important advancements for society. On top of that, ask a BRITAIN what WONDERS muslims and arabs immigrants are doing in ENGLAND, specially when it comes to overwrite EUROPEAN CULTURE and install SHARYA LAW. I recon not knowing much of SHARYA LAW, but if you are an immigrant on a different country, specially one that has a HISTORY of success, you should LEARN from what works, instead of FORCING TRADITION that doesn’t WORK… Sounds familiar?
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yes if you look at it that way. but parasites do not have reproductive and nurturing values
Neither does women. Not by default at least.
shaming techniques. nice!. couldâve mistaken this for a feminist discussion, it is irrational since it will lead to the destruction of our civilization.
Ironic that you accuse me of shaming tactics after employing projection, shaming and other “feminists” tactics. And as I pointed out before, if for civilization’s survival men are supposed to sacrifice his life and future for nothing in return, then civilization can burn, as far as I am concerned.
and since weâre not gonna get married and have Kids. guess who will lead the world. definitely one of those countries that have the gender roles going healthy.
Until they too reach the same technological peak and their men realize what a rotten deal they have. Again, I see no reason why me, or any men, should sacrifice ourselves for women and/or society. Your emotional argument doesn’t work here.
see this is exactly the arrogance I am talking about, industrial, digital age etc. what makes you think that former civilization werenât more advanced that us. there is alot we donât know. and alot of technologies that were applied hundreds of years ago we do not understand. why do you think they collapsed?
I know… Aliens…
I really donât understand why u reply has the âcome at me bro!â attitude despite the fact that we share the same concept. yes it doesnât work for men anymore thats why Iâm MGTOW and against marriage in this time and age. and no I wonât go live in the mountains, but I go off-roading from time to time and camp there for days at a time to keep the survival skills sharp.
And yet, you are the one saying that MEN should carry WOMEN on their backs, since WOMEN are not responsible for their actions, incapable of more. If you think I will agree with that just because you call yourself MGTOW, I am happy to disappoint.
on one last note. the beauty of MGTOW is that everyone has his own opinion of going their own way. it mean independent of thought, what your implying is that there is a rigged concept of MGTOW that if anyone differ from then their not MGTOW. while in fact if one here would disagree with all what you guys say and just leave this whole thing then he is truly A MAN GOING HIS OWN WAY! granted he despise the gynocentric system we live in and the current marriage institute.
Mgtow, although means men going their own way, does NOT MEAN men doing whatever he wants. If your actions support gynocentrism, then you are not MGTOW. And what you are proposing is exactly that! These claims of yours that men should not feel emotion, and should not criticize women. Or that we should carry them on our backs, these are gynocentric ideas. If the only MGTOW requirement was to have a penis, then maginas are mgtows, white knights are mgtow, male FEMINISTS are mgtows. And that is just NOT the case, is it?
Anonymous1@headon.collision
What is happening here is not “shaming”, at least not from my part. Ii is called debate.
And I saw the video you posted, is from Sandman and it is a reminder why I stopped watching his videos.
On the video you posted, Sandman advises men to behave more like women, for men to act on consensus (like women) and to men behave more like con artists (just like women).
First of all, this treatment of men as they were defective women is absolute nonsense. This is one of the reasons there is a rift between the genders. That only shows that Sandman found its “unicorn” and is now more a mangina then a mgtow. Debate is what gives mgtow strength and prevent us from becoming a echo chamber. This urge from Sandman for men to conform no matter what is disgusting in my opinion.
He also says that men that “shame” (his word for disagreement) other men do so out of envy. He then justifies that in life, in order to achieve your goal, everything is valid, including finding and exploiting the rules. And that the men that try to enforce the rules are just doing so because the rules favors them and they do so because they don’t know how to exploit them. Really now? Well, if that is the case, then he have no business, whatsoever, in criticizing anything that women do. From exploiting men’s sex drive to use the legal system to financially rape men, women are just exploiting the system as Sandman is preaching. Again, deceit and shortcuts instead of honor and hard work. I may be wrong, but I believe it is BECAUSE of those last things that MEN were able to built CIVILIZATION and WOMEN WEREN’T.
Thanks for the video, it only reinforced what I already suspected, Sandman is a mangina. He has been preaching the return to the plantation for sometime now, and this only reinforce mys suspicious. He is a f~~~ing c~~~.
Rant over.
but parasites do not have reproductive
Seriously? Reproduction is what parasites DO.
You will note that it’s only the female mosquitoes that suck blood. And they do it to get protein for their eggs. For reproduction.
and nurturing values.
Oh please. What nurturing values would those be? Are you talking about nurturing cats? Because you cannot be talking about human children. It’s demonstrably proven that women are the least effective parents. Compare the incarceration, graduation, employment rate s and so on for the children of single mothers versus the children of two parent households and especially against the children of single fathers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE0L7nHCbaQ fitting to describe all the shaming that is happening here
I don’t watch sandman videos that often. but I can see his starting to post almost a video everyday. I don’t agree with everything he says but I do like his way of delivering his message. very articulate and clear, thats probably why he has many subscribers.
Why Don’t You Trust Women?:  * “Sorry bitch, I don’t respond to intellectually cheap effortless ‘explain yourself’ type questioning. There’s a sucker born every minute so seek your answers elsewhere.”   * “I do trust women, just as much as you do.” * “Why should I trust women?”  [be ready to immediately answer their question formatted answer to this with a question of your own eg “well men have always trusted women don’t you think you should do the same?” ans: “Do you think “always” is accurate here?” “do you think anything would have progressed if men kept doing what other men have always done?].    *Sorry, I’ve already forgotten LAYDEE, was it you or me who started in with the “explain yourself” questioning here?  * Why are you asking me a question that you know you can better answer for yourself? Laydee, if you answer it yourself, you can come up with an answer that you’ll ‘feel’ happy with. If you try to get the answer from someone else, you are going to be miserable with the truth and try to bend it with illogical questions until you get what you like.    * “Walk in the company of the wise and become wise.” I ‘ve noticed that wise men don’t trust them.    * Time is valuable LAYDEE, so you’re just going to have to live with the, “Because I don’t” answer.    * “Oh, you must have been hurt…….” “and you, having come to that conclusion so rapidly, think that there aren’t millions of other men in the same boat, but that somehow you’re going to attain a different answer by badgering me with why questions?    * for the last half century, women have been defining themselves through their actions, as totally irresponsible conscienceless creatures. if you Really want your answer, go to men’s websites/post nothing/say nothing/read it and weep because the truth will hurt you.   * Why don’t I trust women  – – well it’s the same reason as millions of other men don’t trust women, so look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls.   * “Why is there a brain(?) atop your body and a brain atop mine?”      * Why don’t you trust…..? “What do you mean?” Do you honestly think I haven’t trusted women in the past? Do you go with the philosophy of repeating the same behavior to get different results? Do you think I am one of few or one of millions that have learned?
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Anonymous1Just going put this video here about “anger” and people trying to shut down discussion.
I think it fits with “Sandman” rhetoric.
Carry on gentleman.
“Why don’t I trust Women?”  because constantly she wants the best. Always. Better and better. Never satisfied. What’s provided is hers of course. Actually, she thinks she owns everything and everyone, including me. She wants to go out, gets upset If we go out. If I get something she busies herself making her presence known. She’s much more well behaved in public and much more sociable. She’ll stare if she senses something amiss but not yet understood. She injects herself aggressively between me and whatever I happen to be focusing on, but she’ll never destroy me because she’s my kids cat.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Earned, as in they have to WORK FOR IT. They will only work for it if they believe they can access your resources.
Judas Priest said it,”Out there is a fortune waiting to be had, If you think I’ll let it go you’re mad, You got another thing coming”
Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
I trust IEDs more than I trust women. An IED has a chance of not going off on you.
There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
I trust IEDs more than I trust women. An IED has a chance of not going off on you.
This is not laughing matter IED nor women. Bahahahhahaha.. thats good one!!!
Someone skimmed on this answer already: “Honor”. Â Honor is a characteristic men, alone, can possess. Â The feminine creature is about relationships–her relationship to others; that is her entire universe and mode of survival in a social system. Â Honor is a character trait that is deeply personal, innate, and not dependent upon society, culture or social structures. Â A man CAN be that independent, pioneering, creative animal that holds himself in high esteem by virtue of his own high moral character (that is, his will to act on principles of honor).
Why don’t you trust women?
Trust is something you earn, not something you’re entitled to.
Trust is something you earn, not something youâre entitled to.
I thought about that many times myself, but disagree. Respect is something you earn. But trust has to be given freely – or not – until it is abused. Women think it’s the other way around. In their minds, they are entitled to “respect”, and you’re supposed to stand on your hind legs and “earn” her trust.
⢠“How do I know I can trust you”??
⢠“How do I know you’re not a serial killer?”
⢠“How do I know you’re not going to rape me?”That’s bulls~~~.
“You don’t, bitch, You either trust me , or you don’t and you can get the f~~~ out. That’s how you know I’m not a serial killer. But if you think you can just say 5 or 6 lazy words and think Im stupid enough to PROVE that I am NOT a rapist… lady, you are out of your f~~~ing mind.”.
She can either trust you.. or she can walk. When you drive down the street… you HAVE to freely trust that another car coming in the opposite direction won’t cross those yellow lines and kill you. Because it can – any time it wants. Not a goddam thing you can do about it. You HAVE to trust that every person you pass on the street isn’t going to whip out a gun (or a knife) and kill you. Expecting a man to “earn her trust” is one of the biggest bulls~~~ manipulation tactics in the book.. and I call these bitches out every chance I get.
Women talk about the most intimate details of their personal lives to perfect f~~~ing strangers before her own boyfriend! We have even seen it here, where some slag came in and starting talking about rough sex with a bunch of strangers on a men’s only forum. We told her to F~~~ OFF and talk about it with her boyfriend and nobody else. You trust your hairdresser the same way. You trust that stranger sitting next to you on a plane who you will never see again. You know why? Because they can’t hurt you. Your wife can. Your boss can. Your friend can. Your family can. Except the bartender. He doesn’t give a s~~~.
The basic concepts of trust vs. respect is so goddam misunderstood.
I have actually told all of this to a woman who asked me ON A DATE “How do I know you’re not a serial killer?”Can you f~~~ing believe that s~~~??
“How do I know you’re not a serial killer?” a woman actually asked me that on a date when I offered her a ride. ON A DATE – where she should be making at least a minimal effort not to be f~~~ing repulsive. I said “how do you know I AM???”. Boom! Now I deflected that s~~~ back to her. No need to “earn” her trust, she was just projecting. I am not going to do backflips to prove I am NOT a serial killer. Only a f~~~ing moron would do that. And then I left her there and said “this is how you know I’m not a serial killer. Goodbye.” And drove off. What an unbelievable C~~~.
Trust really is handed out for free. It HAS to be. You really don’t have a choice. You can of course not trust someone at all, but that’s what a handshake is. It’s a way of saying “OK we both start with 10 points here. We have a trusting agreement.” It’s the best you can do. But it has to be given away – freely – until it is abused. Later on is when you learn that was a mistake. There is no way of knowing in advance. You have to give it away.
“RESPECT”??? Now that’s something else. Thats up to the individual to earn. Demanding it NEVER works. You just can’t. Basic decency and manners are not the same thing at all. Everybody should get that naturally. But respect is not demanded. That’s only for people who WORK. If respect were “free”, there would be no reason to improve oneself.
PS. I am a cereal killer. I can pound down a bowl of cheerios in under two minutes. Prove that I am not.
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So to answer the question: “Why don’t you trust women?”
Manswer: Because owning a vagina (your being a woman) is not the deciding factor of whether or not I will choose to trust you. I decide that. Completely. You never will. While I understand trust must be given freely, you don’t get to ask me why I don’t. I will decide to trust you freely when I am good and f~~~ing ready and when I feel like it. Asking “why DONT you trust women” is a f~~~ed up question to begin with. Look at the phrasing. “Why DON’T you….”
Its as preposterous a question as “why DON’T you suck my b~~~~”.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.hmm.. I don’t trust people easily.
There is a drop of trust at the start of course, else, I would just avoid the person. If I would see someone walking witch a hockey mask and machete at me, at 11 PM, I wouldn’t trust at all.
For the sake of argument : I don’t agree that we start with 0/100 ‘trust’ aka NOT at all, I start with 1/100 if it could be measured.
Im not voicing it out to anyone of course, that I don’t trust someone very much yet. That would be rude as f~~~. I generally try to be friendly, positive.
I agree that MORE trust is earned AND that we don’t start with Zero trust, else we wouldn’t even communicate.
And I don’t see trust as 1 or 0. (either there IS or NO).
I trust my childhood Friend more, then just familiars and people I know are okay people, more then anyone else because I was with him trough so much s~~~ for 20 years now. It’s not the same.
KM’s and Himeo’s points are in synergy for me.
@KM or “..and How can I be sure about YOU ?” should be the question there.
Man its, crazy. She is fine with having dinner with a POTENTIAL serial killer, but not driving with him hahaha
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btw KeyMaster, I failed MGTOW Test on the website 2 times because only 1 “question” : every time I forgot the “right” answer about Trust/Respect there because I disagree with it. And that was the only question for me there what was not factual and made me stop, ask WTF and shake my head hehe…and then FAIL.
fml đ
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