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Being either right – or left – is giving consent to being governed.
I do not consent.Says it for me.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
The question itself reveals the answer. The question out there “Are you right or left” …
I bring it to you though that, while watching YouTube videos from MGTOW-nians (?), Many of the posters have claimed both views on the matter. This tends to bring about opposite views, of course, and understandably…that might produce conflict.
It might be like comparing how some members of MGTOW are refusing relationships altogether and others might be here to learn a few things to better their social lives and learn how to respond to women. Which side MGTOW might align in a persons view is certainly going to change with their own personal goals and values in life. I certainly see the ultimate goal for myself, I understand my values and the vision of where I would like to be. It will certainly not mesh with all but could coincide with some…but it could also change over time.
I believe most would certainly like to split it right down the middle. As you also say,…You do not consent. (to being governed) Maybe, as an addendum to the question,…How best does MGTOW achieve its long term goals? Should it be strictly Left, Right, or somewhere in the middle?
Left and Right are basically meaningless in today’s world. They are both wings of the Big Government Party. The only real difference between them is the speeches they make at election time.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
TheMule: good p0ints. I don’t want to step on KeyMaster here because I’m sure he will respond to you in detail. My two cents as a mgtow are 01 never think about anything too hard too quickly and hope for instant solutions
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02 mgtow is a set of ideas. we all just take what works and give no f~~~s about the rest. that would be my suggestion to you….take your time and you’ll figure out what works for you. for me, politics and the system are bulls~~~. i only participate to the extent i must in order to stay solvent.
Hi Mule! Welcome to MGTOW (if I didn’t say it already) and thanks for starting this.
Yes, if I wanted to, I could argue I am right on some things – and left on others. That’s also an honest answer. But as a MGHOW, I also know answering it that way in a social setting IRL is something I would avoid like an STD. The “controlled choices” we are constantly presented are a very real trap that exist in enslaving us all. My response wasn’t even directed at “you”, but at the universe in general.
The girlfriend example (about when to get married) is such a silly and obvious trap, and we have to be able to identify it – else you get suckered into a way of thinking you really wouldn’t have done (or chosen) on your own. SHE presented the question. SHE set the frame. And SHE chooses to throw you into that frame and expects you to choose. It’s even phrased in such a way which is DESIGNED to make it look like YOUR idea. She asks “do you want…..” to get you to say out loud that YOU want to get married in the summer.
… when I wasn’t even thinking about getting married at all.
So you “win” the debate by choosing door number 3 and not answering her way at all. If she were interested in YOUR thought at all, she would say “IF You were ever going to get married, which would you prefer?”. But she doesn’t take that approach. She takes the slippery one.
But back to showing how I am right on some things – and left on others… take marriage for example. I am “LEFT” because I believe gays should have every right to get married! If they want to fight for the right to be miserable, let them have it! GREAT! EXCELLENT. It’s not gay marriage I have a problem with, it’s STRAIGHT marriage. Marriage is for THEM. Not for me.
I am “RIGHT” because I believe the only way to raise a child properly is within a two-parent household. However in choosing that, I enslave myself if I decide to participate in that s~~~, so the only correct answer is NO answer – just like the only winning game is not to play.
So that’s why I gave the answer which is no answer.
Being either right – or left – is giving consent to being governed.
The state will not set one foot in my personal life.Man wins.
How best does MGTOW achieve its long term goals?
Since MGTOW is an individual lifestyle choice, the long term goal is not a synchronized one of a group. It is determined and governed solely by the individual. That’s the beauty of it all. My long term goal is going to be different than yours, and everyone else’s. The success of MGTOW does not depend on us reaching an agreed upon conclusion. By you going your way, and me going mine, the rest of the population that wants us to participate in their organized (and governed) long-term goal…. is missing 2 people who want no part of it.
Control or be controlled is what it comes down to.
The long term goal is really not “right or left”.
The choice is …… control or be controlled.I do not consent to being controlled.
That’s my long term goal.2 Men Going Their Own Way and pursuing their own goals = 2 childless unmarried harpies who failed at enslaving 2 men to live benefit from our surplus labor and resources.
Awesome.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Very eloquently put. Although I do not agree that the answer, which is no answer, is not an answer. It is, most assuredly, the most appropriate answer that fits the question.
I would put the point across that, perhaps, the long term goal might be to avoid the stereotypical patterns of the past and forge something that goes against the current system in which we were currently forced to participate, whatever that may be, for each and every individual. In lay-mans terms…to break the mold.
MGTOW to me feels very compatible with the tennets of classica liberalism/libritarianism
If you’re having sex how are you going YOUR OWN WAY ?
If you’re married how are you going YOUR OWN WAY ?
if you treat women like objects like puas do you’re rewarding and encouraging womens behaviour so how can you say YOU’RE GOING YOUR OWN WAY
You may as well eat meat and call yourself a vegetarian, It’s the exact same thing ! you’re a fraud who claims his part of a group because you’re insecure ! you hope ( and this is already happening) that by hijacking the movement you can continue the shame game with guys like me !
it’s no fun worshipping women unless everyone is ! how can you say
YOU’RE ALPHA BRAHHHHHHHH !!!!!!! BECAUSE YOU LIFT WEIGHT BRAHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!! I GOT GAME BRAHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s kinda hard to do that when you’re one of the few guys playing the game, it’s the same reason why women shame !!!
All excellent questions…. but having sex (or not) is not a disqualifier. We have to be honest about that. ” Sex if it’s free” is reasonable (and totally possible) for MGTOW, since women don’t even need to know your name to have sex . Christ, they will even have sex with a nameless stranger and have the bastard baby while trying to pass it off as their boyfriend’s (or husbands).
That happens in nature , the wild and among animals all the time.
The Lion could be totally going his own way and enjoy a triste with a female under a tree somewhere.He doesn’t need to to bend any aspect of his life around female for that to happen.
In all other ways (i.e married “MGTOW” etc) are exactly as you said: “meat eating vegetarians”.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.All excellent questions…. but having sex (or not) is not a disqualifier. We have to be honest about that. ” Sex if it’s free” is reasonable (and totally possible) for MGTOW, since women don’t even need to know your name to have sex . Christ, they will even have sex with a nameless stranger and have the bastard baby while trying to pass it off as their boyfriend’s (or husbands).
That happens in nature , the wild and among animals all the time.
The Lion could be totally going his own way and enjoy a triste with a female under a tree somewhere.He doesn’t need to to bend any aspect of his life around female for that to happen.
In all other ways (i.e married “MGTOW” etc) are exactly as you said: “meat eating vegetarians”.I was watching a blue piller who does comedy music reviews on youtube last night and he said ” chris brown has millions of dollars so bragging about being able to have sex with any women he wants isn’t impressive, you know what would be impressive ? a 45 year old broke bus boy being able to have sex with any woman he wants”
Even blue pillers are aware of how women work, to the point they joke about it, What does that say about society ?
parents encourage their daughter/s to be prostitutes, Don’t feed me b.s about ” any man can have sex” no that’s not true at all. You have to have something to trade with the women at the very least, If you have something she wants even better,
My point is if you’re having sex you’re serving women and that means you’re not mgtow,
I would say it’s an absolute that being married and being a mgtow are incompatible because once married, a man has nothing left that is ‘his own’. I’ve stated reasons and given examples of this in other posts. Outside of marriage, it is possible to have interactions with women that can be fair and reasonable (albeit still treacherous). A single man in the process of going his own way may well cross paths (and pillows) with any number of women under any number of circumstances that he is free to accept, decline or negotiate. A married man has a path that is dictated to him by his spouse on terms that are enforced by the state. This easily distinguishes a married man from a mgtow.
For a single man, I suppose opinions vary…as do the paths and circumstances that the single man may choose. But I think that it’s exactly those choices, or the surrender of them, that ultimately distinguishes, or disqualifies a mgtow. There are men making bad choices were women are concerned…being a white knight or mangina or orbiter are all bad choices not in the man’s best interest. But they are still his choices made on his path. I don’t know how many bad choices a single man would have to make to disqualify himself from being a mgtow. And, it probably isn’t my call. But as long as he’s not married, it seems he at least has a shot…
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Binary thinking yuk We are all so cautious in our revolt, in our creative venture of making our lives our own. How would we ever reach that point where it is “no longer possible to retreat”? And yet, if we are ever going to move past the current inertia, break out of the movement of capital, of the state, of what is – with its trajectory toward boredom and disaster. I don’t follow orders. And any meaningful conception of freedom defies safety and security and tosses caution to the wind. Left, right, left, right, marching forward onward and upward or six foot under.
Why does MGTOW have to be Left or Right?
the simple answer is: It don’t
“Are you right or left?” I refuse to choose from your limited choices
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
I kind of do see MGTOW at its heart being something of the right. It is a reactionary movement. What is a reactionary? A reactionary is someone who wishes to see a return to a previous state. What is that previous state? A traditional world in which the truth and natural order of male/female roles was not only cherished, but was a given! Meaning, the world before the mid 1960s. What is MGTOW reacting against ? Feminism and Political Correctness for one. From whence did these two things spring? The left. They are mere fish that swim in the sea that is “Progressivism”. They would not and could not exist outside of the progressive state. Food for thought if you are a die hard liberal. This is not to say there are no good liberals. Just as there are good Muslims, there is no good Islam. Its very nature is oppressive and warlike at its core. Same can be said for Liberalism. Just as there are good Liberals, there is no good modern liberalism (classic liberalism is a different story). Thats just my two cents.
Iggy not all of us want to return to anything of the past. Some of us want to become ultra adaptable. dynamic in our ways. rolling with the flow. Changing with the times. we all reacted. But only to our own unique situation. I embrace new traditions such as the replacing of valentines with International MGTOW Day. Traditional gender rolls are gone. Red pill awareness will not allow me to have wishes for any previous state.
You wrote “What is MGTOW reacting against?” Then answered your own question. This gives you your perspective
I see MGTOW as a neutral fluid. I can jump in it and swim and splash around, but I can’t make it move or react to anything. I also can’t assign left or right politics to it. If MGTOW became politically rigid left or right I believe many of these men including myself would climb out and dry ourselves off, give it the finger and be on our way.
progressive for myself is nothing more than the old boyscout motto. Always be prepared.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Iggy not all of us want to return to anything of the past. Some of us want to become ultra adaptable. dynamic in our ways. rolling with the flow. Changing with the times. we all reacted. But only to our own unique situation. I embrace new traditions such as the replacing of valentines with International MGTOW Day. Traditional gender rolls are gone. Red pill awareness will not allow me to have wishes for any previous state. You wrote “What is MGTOW reacting against?” Then answered your own question. This gives you your perspective I see MGTOW as a neutral fluid. I can jump in it and swim and splash around, but I can’t make it move or react to anything. I also can’t assign left or right politics to it. If MGTOW became politically rigid left or right I believe many of these men including myself would climb out and dry ourselves off, give it the finger and be on our way. progressive for myself is nothing more than the old boyscout motto. Always be prepared.
Fair enough. I dont particularly see it that way as evidenced ,but if thats what works for you then more power to you.
Because we are MGTOW. Which includes the word “men”. Women in our country hate men, your mother, your sister, your wife, your female friends all secretly hate you because your a man. But, especially women’s studies trained young women.
As a MGTOW I don’t waste my time voting, but if I did I would vote independent, never democrat.
Women make up the majority of voters, like 51 or 52%.
In 2008, in the election that brought us Obama Care, 70% of women voted as a block, just as they were trained to do in the women’s center at college, and that is why Barak Obama is president, and the only reason.
That is also the reason we have removal of due process for college men, the never closing wage gap and horrible war against women using our son’s to rape the college age daughters of these aging hags. Quid Pro Quo.
The democratic party is bought and owned by people that despise us and want “to bathe in men’s tears”.
btw: Even the article’s title is written by a pussy beggar mangina too worried about the women he works with to say that it was a “gap in how the sexes” voted.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
From my perspective I just don’t give a s~~~ about traditionalism or traditional values any more so I see heading towards a more liberal (and not in the feminist hijacked sense) and a non traditionalist society and less expansive government as the way forward for major change – no traditionalism and no extra money put into society means no extras for women simply put.
Left and right politics is a concept I’m new to and as I understand it I am more left than right, but I see my journey as a MGTOW as being first about myself and my way of life rather than being a movement or instrument of change. Societal change is more of an after thought for me and if every woman tomorrow became a true NAWALT I would still be going my own way, simply because I expect if we ever “gave them a break” they’d simply take advantage of it some time after the fact and then in perhaps another hundred or a thousand years we’d be in the exact same position.
I don’t see MGTOW as left or right. In fact, if it was anything other than apolitical I would not want to be part of it.
Let’s say that MGTOW has certain basic tenets. We here adhere to those tenets. Yes, we’re “Adherents of the Tenets of MGTOW,” or “ATM’s.” Yet in no way am I expected to surrender my individualism to be an ATM nor is MGTOW guided by tenets requiring it to be left or right wing.
Before continuing I think it essential to realize that political parties have nothing to do with right/left wing or conservatism/liberalism. If any person equates the modern Republican Party with conservatism or right wing causes, then they need to crush to a powder twelve (12) red pills, mix them with 500 milliliters of tequila, pour it all in an enema bag, and forcefully squirt it up their asses. If any person actually believes the Democratic Party is in any way interested in democracy, double the dose to twenty-four (24) red pills and replace the tequila with three cans of domestic light beer.
Continuing, we ATM’s are capable of logical, rational thought. We form and hold our own opinions without anyone telling us to. Some of those positions (opinions) reflect the ideology of the left. Others, the right. An interested reader can peruse the entries in these forums and see definite trends among the ATM’s. We can analyze a few as an interesting intellectual exercise.
Much to my amazement I’ve discovered that most of us are pro Second Amendment. This is very much a right wing tenet. The left has gone out of its way to strip us of our natural right to protect ourselves, our family, and others we deem worthy of protecting and trust me, they are a long way from finished.
Another way we ally ourselves with the right is the pro core family concept which espouses the belief that the most positive, productive way to parent children is with a stable, intact, traditional family anchored by a father and a mother. This is not to say that the left actually wants broken families…they would never say that. But their actions (through policies) say otherwise. The disastrous programs forced upon the poor and disenfranchised starting in the mid 1960’s, combined with the feminist agenda of slutism, virtually assured us that the traditional family unit would be dissolved over time.
Most of us here take a position on gay marriage which aligns us with the left. As a heterosexual man who believes in liberty and freedom, I do not believe that the government nor I have the right to deny the gay community the right to wed. Others among us don’t care one way or the other.
This topic can go on and on, but is it really necessary? The key point is that we who follow the precepts of MGTOW can function just fine without some disruptive political party trying to bring us into “their fold.” We are individuals, not robots programmed to recite a party line.
I just read through this whole thread and I see a lot of the same things pointed out in different ways, seeming to point to something that we all see but no one is quite sure what to call it. We rightly question left vs. right and where we stand and all of us stand outside of this forced perspective. Some see themselves as Libertarians and I do identify with that group, I think one of the things that we could all potentially agree upon is a different perspective. Instead of “Left or Right”, “Conservative or Liberal” perhaps we should use “Freedom vs Tyranny” or “Rights and Responsibilities vs. Government coddling.”
I see some of us say that somethings we lean left and others right but most of the time even though by the traditional measures we are walking a very wobbly road when looked at from the right perspective it is really a very straight and narrow path defined by our ideals of Freedom, Responsibility and our Personal Morality.
But that is just my two cents on the issue in the end we are MGTOW and from what I read any forced perspective that we don’t like we should chuck it out the window into the faces of the douche bag majority that try to force us into mental bondage to their ideals that are to benefit them.
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind
I like the terms statist and anti-statist. Basically being in favor of big government or being in favor of as little government as is necessary. There are a lot of people that fall on either the conservative or liberal side of the spectrum, but both, in their own way, have favored bigger government for whatever reason. Bigger government has f~~~ed with marriage as we all know, amongst other things.
Keeping government out of all aspects of our private lives is a goal I think most can agree on regardless of political leanings.
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