Why does MGTOW have to be Left or Right?

[TheMuleParticipant 29]

Since I joined recently I have been watching Youtube videos by the likes of RazorBladeKandy2 and Mayor of MGTOWN and the ilk to catch up on what MGTOW stnads for and what it has done in the past…not to mention, quite a few good laughs.  One of the things I have come across is the discussion about the differences between left and right MGTOW beliefs.  These are obviously political concerns from what I understand.  I am not sure that this should even BE a concern as this is about Men and what concerns us all, as Men.  I think that should supersede any political, religious or philosophical concerns that any of us might have.

Of course…I could be wrong.  In today’s society almost everything is political.  Feminists cannot get most of what they get proposed enacted with out some kind of political lobbying.  What does everyone think on this topic?

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

I dunno…maybe it’s because “traditional” values are usually associated with conservatism.  That’s my best guess.  Personally I don’t buy in to the left/right paradigm.  It’s simply a machine designed to keep the masses divided and distracted IMHO.  Are my personal values more liberal or consevative?  I guess that depends on the backdrop they are contrasted against.  Personally I don’t care much for labels but I’d classify myself as a libertarian/egalitarian on most days.  However I have an intellect and independent judgment.  I can make course corrections of my own volition as emerging and bona-fide factual information arises.

YMMV….

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[TheMuleParticipant 29]

I do not see anything wrong with Traditional values myself…I think it makes for a healthier family dynamic.  I think the perfect family would be one parent being the bread winner, I do not care which, and the other at home taking care of the house. Have two or three kids running around and a few pets.  I think that all people should have equal rights in every aspect of their lives.

I do not know, or even care, where that puts me politically as I do not follow politics closely enough to identify with anyone.  I just do not see what is so wrong with that ideal of a family (and they advertised that dynamic back in the 50s after WW2 I believe), yet I get ridiculed and sometimes yelled at for even suggesting it is a good idea.  Some of the most well adjusted people you see today are from that family dynamic in the 50s and 60s and I know it has been a steady decline in the quality of people since then.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Yeah I also feel the same way on the subject of traditionalism.  Those values definitely resulted in a better world for everyone IMHO.  The magnification and center stage status of “left vs. right” really f~~~ed things up.  As previously stated it’s just a meaningless distraction to keep the masses from recognizing who is truly f~~~ing all of us; the politicians and policy makers.  This country (USA) is full of high treason and crimes against The People.  Unfortunately the masses are too caught up in rooting for the politicians that tell them what they want to hear and don’t realize the real ass f~~~ing we are all getting from all both left and right.

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[Loose NutsParticipant 37]

Everybody wants to be right (correct) and have their ideas and reasons for being MGTOW the most right.

Since everything is so much more polarized now between the left and right, people can’t help but bring politics into MGTOW since it’s everywhere and almost can’t be avoided. A lot of men are here because they are trying to figure things out for themselves and politics is something everyone identifies with.

I consider myself a libertarian, but couldn’t care less when it comes to MGTOW. I know political influence plays a part, but we (MGTOW) should focus on the enemy we all have in common and not let political influence, religion, or any other bulls~~~ divide us in any way.

[…Spectator 1165]

the way I see it MGTOW isn’t left or right oriented. it is just pro SMART MINDED PEOPLE. simple. if you still think that political parties actually stand for anything other than f~~~ing over the citizens of countries to line their pockets then you might still be thinking that s~~~ like voting makes a difference.

Earlier today I called out the POTUS for being a Mangina. That is very sad,  but true. I didn’t call him out for being a Democrat…hell, George Bush did more to destroy America than any of his predecessors. So, it doesn’t matter what the current POTUS political bent is, he is just going along with the current poisoned thinking and making it worse for everybody but especially MEN.

To me religion, philo debates, and politics are all just a bunch of bulls~~~ designed to keep men from thinking correctly and finding their pathway to being happy and successful….on their own.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Hell even the POTUS is nothing more than an impotent polarizing lightning rod.  It doesn’t matter who sits behind that desk in the oval office.  It is the bankers and money men who dictate foreign policy, global economy, etc.  The ultimate truism in life is “always follow the money” if you want to know who is responsible for the status quo.  Politicians are all just a bunch of whores regardless of the letter behind the name.  Unfortunately, the majority of the human species is too damn dumb to see this for what it really is.  The USA is the Roman Empire of the modern age and the Nero is fiddling away while it burns to the ground.  F~~~in’ sad…

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[DybbukParticipant 182]

Some rightward tilt is to be expected, since it’s the left who champions feminist causes, as well as the welfare state, which benefits women much more than men. And the left is more opposed to rugged individualism, which is the hallmark of MGTOW.

But in general, I agree that it’s a bad idea to contend that a particular political persuasion is inherent in MGTOW, as most issues don’t have an obvious MGTOW connection.

[Anonymous 42]

I have no lawful or legitimate form of government, I am a nation of one, I lean not to the left, nor to the right, I stand upright on my own platform,I say what I want, I think what I want, I do as I choose, I have lost all faith in government!

As for Democrat or Republican, I am neither, they are two halves of one enormous VICE, a vice that only crushes liberty and freedom.

[Anonymous 11]

@All: Maybe we’ll all be FEMA camp mates one day.

The Dem. versus Rep. kabuki theater is nothing more than a canard for sheeple to be entertained.  They are the two sides of the same fascistic coin.  Divide et impera (Divide and conquer) explains the fundamental basis of every stratagem implemented by the elites.

Left versus right.  Feminists versus MGTOWs.  Redskins versus Cowboys.  It makes no difference. They distract you with their hands and kick you in the b~~~~.

[…Spectator 1165]

Cpig: well if that happens, the first thing I’m gonna do is change the damn name to….mgtow…..fema is not acceptable hahahahaha

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Anonymous wrote:

@All: Maybe we’ll all be FEMA camp mates one day.

Sorry, not a chance here bro.  I will either melt in to the wilderness or go down in flames.  There is NOTHING in this life worth living for without my literal freedom.  I understand we aren’t truly free under this government but I shall not be incarerated.  I would rather die resulting in freedom from all the worries of this f~~~ed up world.

YMMV…

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[Anonymous 11]

@Soul Man – I won’t be taken to any FEMA camp either. I’d rather have the freedom of death as there is no wilderness where I live to melt into.

@ListenUP! – I never thought of that angle during my smart ass ramblings.

[…Spectator 1165]

CPig no worries bro. i knew you were just joking around man. @Soulman: they have been featuring blues brothers music as background to a car chase in LA all day. They played Soulman a few minutes ago. Kickass.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

… wrote:

CPig no worries bro. i knew you were just joking around man. @Soulman: they have been featuring blues brothers music as background to a car chase in LA all day. They played Soulman a few minutes ago. Kickass.

Haha!  Man I love John Belushi as well as all that great music!  Soul man is CLASSIC bro!

I have to admit though…I have such an eclectic taste in music I don’t know what I’m going to listen to from day to day.  George Jones?  Otis Rush?  Tommy Emmanuel?  Blackmill?  Rocket Empire?  Solar Fields?  Daft Punk?  Some days I think my head might explode.  Music has always been a huge part of my life and always will…musician of 37+ years here!

Cheers!

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[…Spectator 1165]

@soulman  no worries brother. been meaning to catch up w you the past couple of weeks to say hello. really great posts to go with the fart bombs hahahaha. i noticed earlier today on this thread you and i were saying almost identical things about the president and politics so we must be thinking the same s~~~ sometimes. anyway, always good to see you here man. whenever i see your avatar pop up that song’s horn riff goes off in my head de dut de dah de dut de dah….and i check your posts to see what kind of smart funny s~~~ you are saying. or smelling. hahahaha. I agree music is f~~~ing awesome.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

@ListenUp!

Thanks for your kind words bro.  I am truly humbled that anyone finds value in anything I have to say, funny or otherwise.  The biggest thing I LOVE about this site is the fact that we are truly free to express our thoughts with honesty and without being shamed or squelched.  We are like a band of brothers here.  I don’t  think we walk in lockstep with one another.  Rather I think we have all chewed the same turf and are naturally comrades in arms.  We can hold different or similar perspectives but it’s all about respect at the end of the day.  That’s  something men don’t see much of any longer. It’s  great to find it here hanging with the guys.  I always enjoy reading your postings here as well.

Cheers!

 

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

interesting topic. I think a man should prioritize his defenses against his adversaries in order of relative threat of the adversaries he has. That is: defend first against whichever is the biggest threat. But in the comparison of women to politicians, it can be tricky.

Both are accomplished liars whose goal is to extract money and resources from me in exchange for promises they rarely keep.

Both are always looking to trade up their positions, and will dump me anytime for a more generous donor.

Both are never happy, no matter how much they are taking/have already taken.

Both profess to solve their problems by getting more resources from me…always MORE.

Both smile when they lie.

Both pretend to care about me.

Both will, if given the chance, dictate to me how to live my life.

Both believe they should have power over me, and if given it, will hang on to it at almost any cost.

Both seem to have zero shame about anything they do.

Both will ambitiously pretend to be something that they are not.

Both think I owe them and feel entitled to take my resources for their own purposes.

Both are experts at avoiding accountability for any corrupt thing they do.

Both have to be caught red handed to acknowledge guilt, or express remorse.

Both, when caught, express remorse that no one but a dwindling pool of suckers still believes.

As I sit here and consider women and politicians and try to decide which is the more treacherous, I look back on the thread about biggest lies a woman ever told, and I think about quotes I’ve heard that include:

“I did not have sexual relations with that woman…Monica Lewinski…”
“There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq…”
“Read my lips…no new taxes…”
“I am not a crook…”
“I don’t remember if I traded arms for hostages last August…”
“I will not send American boys halfway around the world to do a job that Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves…”

And of course my all time favorite:

“If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it…”

So, I guess I’d say that commitment to a political party or group seems to me to be very similar to commitment to a woman. As soon as you agree to play, you probably have already missed the chance to make the best decision (not to play)…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[TheMuleParticipant 29]

Dybbuk wrote:

Some rightward tilt is to be expected, since it’s the left who champions feminist causes, as well as the welfare state, which benefits women much more than men. And the left is more opposed to rugged individualism, which is the hallmark of MGTOW. But in general, I agree that it’s a bad idea to contend that a particular political persuasion is inherent in MGTOW, as most issues don’t have an obvious MGTOW connection.

This tends to confuse me a bit.  Right tends to support traditionalism (ie: family values) from what I am told.  So it would be my understanding that the ‘rugged individualism’ would be a left concern.   I would also guess this because, if feminism is left, that they endorse the single parents and individualism because feminists do not need men to define them, as they say.

Now, if rugged individualism is a hallmark of MGTOW (which it obviously is), and left is opposed to it…then left would also be opposed to feminism.  They would have no interest in either succeeding.  Or…they would actually support both…because both sides are in favor of the individualism.

Of course, it is all up to the individual.  I think the main point we like to see is that MGTOW transcends race, politics, religion and/or any other concerns we all have.  I like the fact that this is a sort of ‘Brothers United’ organization towards a common goal of true equality.  Unfortunately,…as with most things today, without playing the game of politics there is a hard battle to be fought.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Yes this IS an interesting topic and thanks for starting it. Made it sticky right away.

The question itself reveals the answer.

The question out there “Are you right or left” is identical in nature to a woman’s s~~~ test.
Be careful with that one. It’s a trap.

The very question implies you MUST be limited to one of two controlled choices.

….. which is exactly like when a girlfriend asks “would you want to get married in the summer or winter?”

Two controlled choices are presented and you are expected to choose one – or the other – or even reach a “compromise”.
MGTOW are too smart to fall for that s~~~. So there is only one correct answer:

Being either right – or left – is giving consent to being governed.

I do not consent.

That response will freak people out. And every MGHOW can walk away laughing his motherf~~~ing head off.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Author]

Posts