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It will only seem like that when you associate with “them” more than you need to. Spend more time on these forums and less with “them”. You won’t feel outnumbered, my friend.
I suppose you are right; to be fair, I do live in the feminized hell that is California.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
I do live in the feminized hell that is California.
It doesn’t matter. We are always here; just reach inside your pocket and pull out your phone.
It doesn’t matter. We are always here; just reach inside your pocket and pull out your phone.
Can’t argue with that, thanks for the advice.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
Be nice if you want to but DONT expect them to be nice to you in return…When you learned the NFG mentality it is going to free you without making you a dick…
You are still learning to live outside the plantation and you are refocusing your life for yourself and not for others approval…
Once you focused on your life, they would not matter much…Most of us here were once good men, who were used and abused despite sacrificing our all for others…Now we have woken up and rebuilding our life for our own happiness…We live a life free from the expectation of others because we only expect what we can do for our life…
I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...
The ugly truth is nice guy is just a weakness society tried to manipulate us into.
We should be nice to people who are nice to us, not indiscriminately. A nice guy is someone who will be nice to everyone and be taken advantage of. You can hardly call a guy who is selectively nice a nice guy.
I had this nice guy problem in the past, heck I am stupid and the the first three companies I join, I still have ex colleagues that owe me money that is not paid back till today.
I learn my lesson and would only be nice to people who are nice to me. The others I kept a polite relationship and for the unscrupulous people, I kept my distance. That minimize people who would take advantage of me.
I had been wondering for quite some time. Is nice guy another social manipulation just like marriage? Is morality, honor, doing the right thing just a manipulation to make me act in a way that is determinant to me? I kept seeing these words when society shame men into war, men to give up their lifeboat to women and children.
So I analyses on what is actually is morality. How it come into being the first time?How in the cavemen days not killing each other become the right thing to do?
It is a mutual benefit like a business transaction. The benefit of not needing to check over my shoulder for my killer outweighs the benefit of being able to kill someone.Why should I not steal? It is also another mutual benefit business transaction. Sure I can steal other people goods, but it would also means I own nothing. Because my things are gone every time I go to sleep.
Likewise I shall not lie, not commit adultery and such. All for mutual benefit business transaction.
These laws are followed so long that it become tradition, morality, sacrosanct. It should be followed unquestionably. To do otherwise is unthinkable.Then other laws are added to the tradition / morality. The tribe leaders found that they can grow their tribe larger if they protect women and children. They can grow their tribe better if the elders care for the young so they gave a mutual benefit stake to the elders. After the young become adults they should reciprocate to their elders.
After these laws become morality, they expend the morality that men should protect women and children even at the expense of themselves. They make the elders care for the young even when the young s~~~ on their elders. Think of the children!!!
Who cares about the men more then a disposable utility? The tribe will grow better with their sacrifice, we just need to invest enough for them to be a useful tool.
Who cares about the elders when they cannot take care of themselves? At that age they cannot contribute anymore and should give up their space to another useful tool.The social contract for mutual benefit is broken. The nice guy is just another broken social contract. Maybe nice guy have value in the past, maybe the majority of men are nice guy that brought us our current achievement. That is a fact that our forefathers being nice guy and sacrifice themselves for their decedents.
People are being short sighted, they see nice guy as someone they can take advantage of. They don’t want to reciprocate a nice guy but still want to take the benefit a nice guy provide. So the nice guy is creepy help the hamster wheel stand on the moral high ground.
So in this day and age, only be nice to other nice guys. Think more, question everything. There is nothing that cannot be question because it is the “right thing to do”. Moral / Honor / Nice guy is just another social contract of mutual benefit.
Unscrupulous people like to take advantage of the social contract by fanning the our ego and use shaming tactics. Being a nice guy is being weak, unthinking, unquestioning.
Only honor the social contract if the other party honor it too.There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
Anonymous2I’m am kind, thoughtful, compassionate, polite, thankful. I have no shame to admit it, I’m not implying any of you are either. It gives me peace. One thing I’m not though is a pushover that can be used.
I’ve heard more than once from a slag say “I thought you were nice”? When they tried to walk on me or use me and got the door slammed on their bulls~~~. They will use ever drop of blood you have if you let them. If they have in your mind that you’re a nice guy, the beta bucks they will use it. When you’re in that category or friend zone and you turn out to be opposite they freak out it’s worse in my experience. They don’t want to f~~~ but use you and then find out they can’t because you show an “alpha” trait of not taking their s~~~. Their pride doesn’t allow them to uncategorize you. Which is just stupid to say but we all know the hampster when it spins.
Typing this s~~~ makes me glad I’m single and free. They are a headache even to talk about but these things need to be said. Lurkers beware!
Nothing wrong with being a nice guy bro, but clearly there are situations that bug you. Then become not a nice guy.
Peace is > piece.
Anonymous38I am nice as pie to my friends because they are great people. They are nice to me back as they think the same about me.
C~~~s at work and the like get absolute indifference from me. A few think I’m an asshole, most fear or respect me because they can see I am 100% real.
I give everyone a chance, I’m always nice at first. But once you’ve shown yourself to be a c~~~, you’re dead to me, unless you can genuinely redeem yourself.
It will only seem like that when you associate with “them” more than you need to. Spend more time on these forums and less with “them”. You won’t feel outnumbered, my friend.
I suppose you are right; to be fair, I do live in the feminized hell that is California.
Wow. I lived there for nearly 3 years. My parents figured out to leave that dumpster fire behind.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
If you’re being a nice guy, and expect others to approve of you, like you, and pursue meaningful relationships with you because of your niceness, then you are not a nice guy: You are an entitled assclown.
If you show respect, decency and courtesy, it should simply be because those are principles that you operate under, or because they further your own personal goals. It should not be because you want others to treat you the same, because that will not happen. This is not to say you should be a jerk, as that behavioral pattern should also come with a determined set of desired outcomes, but you shouldn’t extend your own resources and/or vulnerability to everybody that walks by.
That being said, “creepy” and “nice guy” are two very different things. You should explore what those people mean by creepy before you go and abandon your nice-guy title.
I find it interesting in all this discussion that the OP and really no one else ever actually defined what was meant by “nice”. What do you mean you are a “nice’ guy? The spectrum here is wide open. You can be a doormat to others and that is “nice”, or you could refrain from taking a chain-saw to their heads and that would be “nice”…but there is a lot of ground between those two extremes.
Secondly it is clear from the opening that the OP gives WAY to much of a f~~~ for things/events that are meaningless. You need to learn not to give a f~~~ about what other people DO/THINK. Who cares what the bitch or anyone else thinks of you? Your validation needs to come from within—not without.
Think we are overlooking a side benefit to this.
You can be “nice” without giving them anything. And what better way to be left alone than them being repulsed? I am cordial with women but by acting nice I get left alone. Best not to paint a target on yourself.
Know there are many ways to do it, just gotta find what works for you.
Truthfully when I was teenage, i was blue/purple pill and a nice guy. Probably saved me from making mistakes till the shift in using my logical brain. Could have made lots of poor decisions and ended up married like some others in my friend group.
Know it’s probably not what you want to hear but hopefully sheds a different light on the situation.
*corrected for spelling errors. Damn autocorrect
Hope that someday I may lead others the path I have learned. As Virgil led Dante through Hell.
Be a nice guy, is sad that c~~~s don’t know what it really means !!
For them, a nice guy means a SLAVE to all their demands ! Don’t be that guy.
Don’t be that kind of guy.But as said by brother @mg-o be a nice guy to yourself ! Don’t be rude or that kind of psycho that wants to get in trouble with everyone, if someone need help, there is no problem in helping that person, but remember to dose it, don’t sacrifice yourself for those who don’t worth.
For example if I were driving at night and found someone lying down in the street, I would stop the car. There are people that I would rescue, but there are some assholes that I will go to buy a beer, come back to drink it while watch it dying.
Don’t be nice with people that don’t deserve it. Reflect, why be nice to a c~~~, who doesn’t give a s~~~ to you, and will only use you as a social tool ? C~~~s abuse when they can abuse, I have healthy relationships with them, keeping them away, using them for only what I need. They act like trained dogs if you keep things this way, sooner they think that they can manipulate you, sooner they start their sick little game.
If you’re being a nice guy, and expect others to approve of you, like you, and pursue meaningful relationships with you because of your niceness, then you are not a nice guy: You are an entitled assclown.
If you show respect, decency and courtesy, it should simply be because those are principles that you operate under, or because they further your own personal goals. It should not be because you want others to treat you the same, because that will not happen. This is not to say you should be a jerk, as that behavioral pattern should also come with a determined set of desired outcomes, but you shouldn’t extend your own resources and/or vulnerability to everybody that walks by.
Why?
Who instill this kind of thinking in you?Let’s say I get to borrow some money from you, you should not expect me to approve of you nor like you, if not your are an entitled assclown.
Let’s say I am your son, you are nice to me, paid for my living expenses and education. But you should not expect me to approve of your nor treat you the same. I don’t need to listen to whatever you say. You did it on your principle dad, you did it to further your own personal goals, so I owe you nothing. I can talk s~~~ about you. You should not expect anything from me you walking ATM or you are an entitled assclown.
Who is the actual entitled assclown? Certainly not me who accepted the benefits you provided but still think nothing of it right?
I think people promote this kind of thinking so they can be ungrateful. Even if a guy who want some return on his investment is not a nice guy, he is certainly not an entitled assclown.
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
If you’re being a nice guy, and expect others to approve of you, like you, and pursue meaningful relationships with you because of your niceness, then you are not a nice guy: You are an entitled assclown.
If you show respect, decency and courtesy, it should simply be because those are principles that you operate under, or because they further your own personal goals. It should not be because you want others to treat you the same, because that will not happen. This is not to say you should be a jerk, as that behavioral pattern should also come with a determined set of desired outcomes, but you shouldn’t extend your own resources and/or vulnerability to everybody that walks by.
Why?
Who instill this kind of thinking in you?Let’s say I get to borrow some money from you, you should not expect me to approve of you nor like you, if not your are an entitled assclown.
Let’s say I am your son, you are nice to me, paid for my living expenses and education. But you should not expect me to approve of your nor treat you the same. I don’t need to listen to whatever you say. You did it on your principle dad, you did it to further your own personal goals, so I owe you nothing. I can talk s~~~ about you. You should not expect anything from me you walking ATM or you are an entitled assclown.
Who is the actual entitled assclown? Certainly not me who accepted the benefits you provided but still think nothing of it right?
I think people promote this kind of thinking so they can be ungrateful. Even if a guy who want some return on his investment is not a nice guy, he is certainly not an entitled assclown.
Exactly. While there is some need here to define terms, the usual premise behind somebody being “nice” is doing something for another without expectation of equal reciprocation. Now there is then the socially constructed burden on the person-being-helped to show gratitude, thanks and civility, but it is not necessarily mandated.
I frequently lend money to people who need help, even if they aren’t friendly to me, if I believe I will be repaid. In my eyes, as long as they pay me back and as long as it’s not enabling a destructive behavior, my desire to assist others (when assistance is useful) is not affected by my personal feelings towards them. Judge each situation by its own merits.
I do not expect somebody to like me because I help them out. If I did, I wouldn’t be helping them, I’d be helping myself through their vulnerability.
Exactly. While there is some need here to define terms, the usual premise behind somebody being “nice” is doing something for another without expectation of equal reciprocation. Now there is then the socially constructed burden on the person-being-helped to show gratitude, thanks and civility, but it is not necessarily mandated.
I frequently lend money to people who need help, even if they aren’t friendly to me, if I believe I will be repaid. In my eyes, as long as they pay me back and as long as it’s not enabling a destructive behavior, my desire to assist others (when assistance is useful) is not affected by my personal feelings towards them. Judge each situation by its own merits.
I do not expect somebody to like me because I help them out. If I did, I wouldn’t be helping them, I’d be helping myself through their vulnerability.
Do you know why there is a socially constructed burden on the person-being-helped to show gratitude? Because that works for the mutual benefit of the majority of people.
If you have a society that the person being help should show gratitude, you will have a society that the majority of people is being nice to each other and a handful who won’t.
If you have a society that the person helped need not reciprocate, you will have a society that the majority of people who are not nice and a handful of people who are nice.
I read a story about Confucius students.
There was a country named Lu. Because there were other countries which took their citizens as slaves or servants, the country of Lu made a law which rewarded those who paid the ransom to regain the freedom of their fellow citizens. At that time, Confucius had a very rich student named Dz-gong. Although Dz-gong paid for the ransom to free his people, he did not accept the reward for doing such a deed. He did it out of good intention, seeking only to help others and not for the reward money. But when Confucius heard this, he was very unhappy and scolded him saying:
You acted wrongly in this matter. When saints and sages undertake anything, they strive to improve the social demeanor, teaching the common folk to be good and decent people. One should not do something just because one feels like it. In the country of Lu, the poor outnumber the wealthy. By refusing the reward, you lead others to think that accepting the reward money is being greedy, thus, all the poor people and others who do not wish to appear greedy will hesitate to pay for ransom in the future. Only very rich people will have a chance to practice this deed. If this happens, no one will pay the ransom to free our people again.
Another student of Confucius, Dz-lu, once saw a man drowning in the river, and went forth to rescue him. Later, the man thanked him by giving him a cow as a token of gratitude. Dz-lu accepted his gift. Confucius was happy when he heard this, and said: In the future, people will be willing and eager to help those who are drowning in deep waters or lakes.
Now we are seeing a tear down of the society niceness. This thread if proof of that. There will be more and more people questioning what’s the point of being nice if there is no reward, or even punished for it.
As for you borrowing other people money and not expecting people to like you. Do you charge interest? People borrow from you instead of the bank for the benefit of wived interest.
Helping others without expecting at least basic gratitude which is affordable to everyone everyone, while noble sounding will create a society where the majority people are reluctant to help each other.
What happens if people no longer lent people in their time of need except you?You can help others without excepting reciprocation if you want. If you want to bash people who except reciprocation for helping out. You are actually doing more harm then good.
People who except gratitude are entitled assclown. They take advantage of their vulnerability. That have a familiar ring to it, it sounds like what some women says to their husband.There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
What’s the point of being a nice guy, when everyone wants to make you bad?
The point of being a nice guy is because it’s your character and your code of honor. Do it for yourself. When I had a real s~~~ty boss I was going to get in his face, but my dad stopped me and said, ‘you’re not the only one with eyes’. Sure enough in a week he was fired and I didn’t make myself look foolish by calling him out.
You can be nice and say no often. Saying no (not giving yourself to the plantation) and being nice ARE mutually exclusive. Being nice is not what you do, but how you do it.
If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
If you’re being a nice guy, and expect others to approve of you, like you, and pursue meaningful relationships with you because of your niceness, then you are not a nice guy: You are an entitled assclown.
If you show respect, decency and courtesy, it should simply be because those are principles that you operate under, or because they further your own personal goals. It should not be because you want others to treat you the same, because that will not happen. This is not to say you should be a jerk, as that behavioral pattern should also come with a determined set of desired outcomes, but you shouldn’t extend your own resources and/or vulnerability to everybody that walks by.
That being said, “creepy” and “nice guy” are two very different things. You should explore what those people mean by creepy before you go and abandon your nice-guy title.
Talking about entitlement, makes you sound like every feminist telling me to be grateful for them taking advantage of my courteousness. I am a firm believer that we “reap what we sow”, but at the same time my upbringing and religion tell me to “turn the other cheek” and to stay the course. I’m just really f~~~ing tired of people viewing my manners as a sign of weakness and just taking advantage of me and me being supposed to forgive them and just carry on.
I’m not trying to get with this girl at all. The fact that she is so disgusted with me that she would pop a gasket on her birthday party just because I actually say please and thank you or even ask for a glass of water when I’m a guest at someone else’s home, disturbs me greatly. I’m not even joking, these are her complaints.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
@gnostic See, you and I just have different perspectives on the matter. You think that people should be entitled to common decency because it perpetuates a better society. I think people should not be entitled to common decency because it’s better to receive genuine thanks and courtesy than forced politeness. I would rather somebody be sincere with themselves, because that’s how you garner REAL and GENUINE change. If somebody is nasty to me, even as I’m helpful toward them, I can hope that, at some point down the road, their character will improve and their quality of life will improve with it as they’re given chances to reflect on our interaction. If nothing improves, then I have at least acted as my conscience dictates, which is still preferable to violating my conscience.
If people choose to twist my morals and stances to suit their own personal desires (thus validating their desire to not help) then that’s their problem, not mine.
I find it interesting in all this discussion that the OP and really no one else ever actually defined what was meant by “nice”. What do you mean you are a “nice’ guy? The spectrum here is wide open. You can be a doormat to others and that is “nice”, or you could refrain from taking a chain-saw to their heads and that would be “nice”…but there is a lot of ground between those two extremes.
Secondly it is clear from the opening that the OP gives WAY to much of a f~~~ for things/events that are meaningless. You need to learn not to give a f~~~ about what other people DO/THINK. Who cares what the bitch or anyone else thinks of you? Your validation needs to come from within—not without.
When talking about being “nice”, I’m pretty sure I used the term POLITE. You know, like knocking on the door of a person’s house instead of barging in, helping with dishes if you partook in a meal, saying please and thank you when you ask for stuff, etc.
My main problem is that it seems this behavior makes others feel like trying to take advantage of you at least now days, I don’t know if it has always been like this.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
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