What was an event that led you to embrace the MGTOW lifestyle?

[Anonymous 2]

Hello gents,

For me the big shift came when after years of slogging for my wife bringing home the check and doing all that s~~~ that responsible men do and then not feeling happy.  Its been like a slow drain on a capacitor after a while it just bleeds all the electrons out and ya got no charge left.  Between kids that don’t listen and an antisocial wife that argues about really weird s~~~ Ive come to the conclusion that my marriage is f~~~ed.

Enter woman X.  A very attractive brunette, brown eyes, absolutely gorgeous. Educated, smart, witty, and fun.  Also 3 levels higher than I am but in another department.  She’s married, has two kids.  But we actually met at the university 22 years ago. Just briefly she was studying for her doctorate. I was really attracted to her then and it was only for a brief instant that we met, I was a graduating Senoir and never sieved my manly urge to ask here out.  I completely forgotten. She remembered me. Anyway, so we were on a team for entertainment at a company event and spent about 3 months prepping.  So we were working together and I have no idea how it happened but I just put my arm around her and she didn’t buck.  I didn’t do it intentionally, it just happened.  Just unconsciously she made me feel very relaxed and we were really happy with the project all of a sudden I had my arm around her waist. and we were smiling and talking.  I realized my indiscretion and chose to reverse course, apologized.  Then later at a company event we just started talking and I heard her say “my husband doesn’t care he’s done it all.”   And then it was the look in her eye when she said it.   It was direct. And later when we were alone she asked more questions.  We seemed to be communicating between the lines and reading each others mind – she was laying out the rules for engagement.  For a minute I thought I was crazy, but nope.  She reached out to me. We met away from work. and in a city with over 1.5 million people we run into some people I know. Murphy’s law. Escape route – introduction to fellow work employee.

So one thing led to another and here I am.   She said to me “well you look like a stable guy”. And ever since then we have met here and there for chats, I have got here a few small treats (cookies wrapped in tissue).  I found myself more addicted to this creature with my infatuation.  Stable my ass.  I went through a tumult of emotions ranging from guilt, fear, anger, frustration, shame. Id never done this But now Im on the other side of it and finally came to the realization that she just wants to have some real good sex. Not to change her life. So the rules of the game are she drives the bus she reaches out.  I want this woman. What scares me a bit, I don’t feel guilty about it either. She isn’t going to leave her husband and children.  Neither one of us want to upset our lives but we do want to indulge in each other.   I gotta tell ya, its driven me to have better sex with my wife.   So Im playing total MGTOW cards.  F~~~ing A right.  I don’t want to f~~~ up her family life. Just bring her to have as many orgasms as I can. I think were in the same boat.

She is very keen on discretion so … so Am I nuts or what?

 

[Insidious_SidParticipant 21]

My MGTOW experience began during marriage and was solidified with divorce. I put an incredible amount of time, effort, energy and money into my marriage. Granted, I had my problems too – we both had issues with intimacy. The sex, like in so many other marriages, dwindled to next to nothing. But that was the symptom of a much deeper problem. Perhaps the biggest problem was, looking back, was that due to my wife’s physical and mental health problems, her problems with her family, and the regular stress of work and kids and “life in the family fast lane”, I was just stressed out and miserable. It was as if my wife would look at the marriage as if she was the ideal wife, I was the ideal husband (or had to be) and our situation too had to be ideal. There were many challenges we faced which would have put a lot of strain even on the best equipped people to have a functional marriage.  Ironically, a person who should perhaps have been more flexible and understanding due to the challenges we faced turned out to be a staunch idealist. I find most women these days are this way – everything MUST be perfect or they are thrown into a state of despair, which seems more like the behavior of a child throwing a tantrum.

What it came down to for me (and I say this as a man who still loves this women, on some levels) that marriage – from a cost-benefit perspective is this: you put in MASSIVE amounts of time, energy, money, resources into this marital relationship and what you get out of it (these fleeting bitter sweet moments) FOR ME is simply not worth the sacrifice. Not even effen close. And no matter how big the sacrifice you make, these days that means nothing – all that counts is how she feels about it. Since women don’t look at things rationally, objectively or logically, they score their “relationship” on a collection of feelings. When they start feeling bad or bored, those feelings compound and they start feeling a lot worse. She’s already looking for her next source of “security” before she’s 100% certain she’s ready to jump ship. It’s as if women don’t sit back and enjoy the relationship at all anymore – they are constantly looking for gripes and problems with their relationship. Every day is this magazine quiz “100 things you didn’t know were going wrong in your relationship” and “He’s so great – why are you so unhappy?”. Women’s unhappiness seems to be a necessary evil of sorts – I am  not totally sure why, but I don’t think I’ve met one. Something is always wrong. Not right. Not good enough. They have an unquenchable desire for MORE and BETTER and things that men do for fulfillment and dealing with the human condition are simply lost of them. Or they lack the depth to experience life on this level. In a way, women now seem to me to be like children, always waiting for the next yummy meal, or sexual experience, or experience, or trip, or vacation, or spa day or… I also feel that, like children, women need to be managed. Women are basically a whole lot of work.

I will never *ever* again put that much effort into a relationship with a woman, who  -these days- is simply a very entitled, demanding and probably impossible to please flight risk. And no, it was not because she was damaged goods or the “wrong woman” or “not the right woman for me”. Women, in North America especially, have simply priced themselves out of a market. Trying to have this “ideal relationship” in this day and age with what people expect to *GET* from relationships… it’s a pipe dream.

I say fuhgedaboudit.

Trying this relationship game over and over because you “haven’t found the right one” is a level of stupidity that they don’t have a word for yet. For now, I’ll just use the word *SAD*. I’m tired of working so hard just to be sad. I’ll be happy here on my own. If I am happy it was me. If I am not, it was me.

It’s all on me now. I like it this way.

Why? Because I am reasonable and don’t expect to be happy all the time.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Welcome to MGOTW ahhdioguy,
I have been in a similar situation with a girl who was married, but I was single at the time. Yours is more complicated. The most obvious thing to tell you would be to be very careful. The two most likely mistakes you could make would be 1) running into people you know somewhere, leaving an incriminating text message undeleted etc and and being found out and having the whole thing blow up. That will likely cost you the house, kids, any assets you have… etc. If it affects your ability to keep the job (since you work at some company), and you lose it, the child support payments will still be in effect and you’ll be jailed if you don’t make them on time. This is like doing brain surgery on yourself… if you make mistake, the consequences are enormous, unforgiving and permanent.

The other obvious mistake is that you don’t get emotionally invested in this person who has made it clear that she is not changing her life for you, just using you for some better sex than she is getting at home. Infatuation/addiction (your words) is a very bad idea here. She’s not leaving her family. She’s not interested in anything other than sex from you. She’s at the same company and is three levels up from your position. This is not a recipe for someone you should be infatuated with.

The last thing is to be aware that even if you do everything correctly, you are still dependent on her to also do everything correctly as well. It isn’t enough that you don’t make any mistakes or get emotional about this, she has do to this on her end perfectly as well, or it all blows up for both you.

When you got married, you signed a contract that allowed your wife to destroy you at anytime in the future that she chooses, for any reason, or for no reason at all. With that contract, if she chooses, your wife can take your house, kids, money, retirement, future earnings in child support, etc etc etc. That’s an enormous amount of trust to put into anything that runs on estrogen. But you’ve done it, and so far, she hasn’t chosen to destroy you. Statistically, guys who do this have a 50-50 chance of getting their lives ruined. That’s like playing Russian Roulette with 3 bullets in the cylinder. With this new girl at work, you are putting a similar amount of trust into another being that runs on estrogen. But the rules of the first contract have not changed.

The point here is that there are now 2 people who can ruin your life and both of them are operating on estrogen… Those first three bullets are still in the cylinder. With this new girl, you are adding at least one more.

Be very careful here. Set aside the idea of this other girl for a minute and listen to a little logic: If you don’t see your marriage lasting for the rest of your life, then the sooner it ends in a no-fault divorce, the cheaper it will be in the long run. If you make this choice, you’ll be out of a marriage you already described as f~~~ed and you’ll be free to chase all the women you want, with no added consequence. Second option is if there is a chance marriage can last, do whatever it takes to fix it and continue enjoying the improved sex with the wife that you mentioned. You already paid for this sex with that marriage contract you signed, and if it’s better and you’re getting more of it at no additional cost, then proceed accordingly.

Pay the price to get divorced now and be single and act single and have opportunity for sex with anyone you want. Stay married and act married and have the improved sex with the wife at no price beyond what’s already been paid. But staying married and acting single with the other girl from work is playing Russian roulette with at least 4 bullets…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[JohnnyWayneParticipant 70]

@Insidious_Sid I can feel the pain in your words. I also feel your frustration in finally resigning yourself to the idea that it was all just a game. A meaningless game where society lied to you, and led you to believe that your wife’s happiness is more important than your own needs. By this stage you probably feel defeated, conned, cheated and emotionally abused.

For me, this stage of the game felt as if I had started life with a metaphorical erector set. I was told that if I was clever enough, wise enough, educated enough, strong enough, and worked hard enough, I could build any life I wanted for myself out of this grand erector set. Then, looking back on things, I began to realize that women had utterly destroyed everything I had ever really tried to achieve with my erector set. One woman would destroy my creation, so I would start fresh, trying to build something new. Then this too would be destroyed.  Each time this happened I would experience the same emotional turmoil.
Self esteem- gone
Sense of pride – gone
Plans for the future – gone
Sense of my place in the world – gone
Sense of accomplishment – gone
Relationship equity – gone
The fruits of my sacrifice – gone
Sense of manhood – gone

Eventually, I became flat out exhausted with the endeavor of trying to build a quality life with a woman. The thought of doing this over yet again started to make me sick. I would literally get nauseous and want to vomit.  I finally came to realize that I deserved to build a life worth living. I deserved to build permanent equity.  I deserved to build a legacy. I deserved to live my life for myself and the people I love, and not for somebody else “because relationship”.

Add to this the dynamic of a female relationship cost / benefit analysis. Naturally, risk is also a huge factor in this equation. In looking at all the dynamics as a whole, I could be easily convinced that a woman’s value to a man has never been lower in all of human history. In fact, the modern western female has become totally, completely and utterly worthless to any man who wishes to achieve.
If a man wishes to achieve anything lasting and positive in life, he can only do so without the “aid” of a woman.

[Anonymous 42]

Self esteem- gone
Sense of pride – gone
Plans for the future – gone
Sense of my place in the world – gone
Sense of accomplishment – gone
Relationship equity – gone
The fruits of my sacrifice – gone
Sense of manhood – gone

Hey JonnyWane; I sunk to the “all time LOW” , I made it past Sense of manhood – gone.

I sunk to: “Will to live – gone!”.

[Insidious_SidParticipant 21]

Hey JohnnyWayne:

Thanks for sharing your personal experience on this problem. I am still struggling to define myself without this “relationship” being the center of my world – which is likely why I had so much problems in the first place. Being “all things” to a woman actually destroys any hope of her reciprocating. In fact, I strongly believe that to try to be all things to a woman and this “good man” they *claim* they want is to create a total monster. It seems the women who cling to their relationships with the most vigor are ones you would think would leave. He’s aloof. Inconsistent. A bit… mysterious. Keeps her on her toes. I believe that the way a woman’s brain is wired she has to expend a certain amount of energy on her relationship, the majority of which will be using her female intuition, her sexuality and other means of control to “CHANGE A MAN” into something she would (ironically) discard if she were to be successful. But it’s okay because in the vast majority of cases she has no hope in hell of succeeding.

I don’t think women “love” a-holes or badboys or “prefer” them. I think they are biologically wired to need them.

I did it all wrong, and can’t be bothered to learn or waste all that time, money and energy being something I am not just so that I can manage a female. And these days, the operative word is manage. Some men I know are married to complete loonies who have gone off the rails with materialism and pushing their children into all kinds of activities for her to achieve “good mom” status with all of the other power-moms on the block. Seems to me, dad is miserable and under extreme stress, the kids are withdrawn and have faces buried in tablets, and most ironically of all, she is the most miserable of all of them. Never enough activities. Never enough stuff.

My theory? Women’s “gather and nurture” instincts (parallel to men’s hunter/provider/protector instinct) run amok in modern civilization where there is little or no natural threat to survival such as war, famine, disease and other things where “hoarding” of resources would be of benefit. Stronger hut? Better for hurricanes. More food? Better for surviving drought or crop failure. The neighbors have 20 coconuts? We’d better get 30. Keep up with the Joneses. Women do not access their needs based on what they themselves need. They want as much or preferably more than the next woman. If she deems herself to be higher in SMV (sexual market value) than a women she is comparing herself to, she doesn’t *ask* for more, she demands it. This is why women’s ‘age and ugly’ camoglage (makeup and beauty industry) is worth billions every year: women will do anything to maximize their SMV – even if it washes off, runs when she cries, or she outright turns back into a warhorse at midnight.

It’s all a big game, and I for one am too old and too tired for games. I have children to look after and I plan to be mature and sensible about it. Material things that do not serve me or my kids and only serve to give me some meaningless “social status” are irrelevant. As such, that excludes most women in North American society from having any value as a partner.

[johncobraParticipant 6]

When I was 20 i met my first love and fell head over heals. she took my virginity and brought me into her group of friends. As time went on i found out she had banged every guy in the group. Picture standing in a room with a girl you loved and 5 other guys that had their dick in here mouth.

on top of that she started sleeping with one of them while we were dating. Also she had a lover out of country she would go away to see behind my back saying its a road trip with here dad. finding out this really destroyed the fairy tale love story for me.

As the years went on I developed some self esteem and value for myself. I dated some pretty cool girls but always lost interest in the relationships. I would get frustrated when the girls would continuously push for a more commited relationships and break it off. They would say I’m damaged goods or have a fear of commitment threw the tears as I walked away. I started looking into why I lost interest in these girls and found it was because I was not ok with sacrificing my will and freedom to give a girl what she wants from me.

threw this research I found MGTOW and connected immediately.

I’m no longer willing to marry, common law, co habitate or enter into an exclusive relationship with a woman. I will go on what they think is a date in order to turn them into a friend/sex toy

Now I know exactly where I stand when it comes to dealing with girl. they are strictly friends and or sex toys. when they try to ask for more I laugh and tell them they are not worth giving up all the other pretty girls out there. they pout but get down on their knees all the same.

 

[Anonymous 42]

@johncobra, You said “they would say I’m damaged goods” I disagree with them! They’re looking to damage your goods! No mater how “perfect” you are, or how “perfect” she is, the destructive nature of women always comes to the surface like oil and vinegar…..

Women are like salad dressing, In the beginning of a relations~~~ they’re hearts are all stirred up with “love”! Give it enough time to settle, and you’ll be getting the vinegar, while she’s using the oil to lube some other sucker into her tossed salad hell! She has her own brand of living hell dressing to pour all over your head, thereby pickling your soul with her gall, and bitterness……typical deflection and redirection my saying you’re damaged goods… The truth is they’re damaged goods, substandard lunatics, and nothing of value…..

[Anonymous 42]

Any of you young guys out there, I’d like to share with you the “reason” my education ended in the 10th grade, and what I did about it:

My downfall started in the 7th grade when a teacher “MiZZZZZZZZZZZZ” Parkins, had a spark in her eye for me. It wasn’t a pleasant time from there on… I was used as a tool by the Womanzzzzz libbers in that particular public school, the time was in the mid 70’s. Reflecting back on those times, I see my grades were destroyed by my unbreakable stubborn I’m ME attitude. Not that I was wrong, I was right!
The men teachers, I had no problem with at all! The f~~~ing women,,, “except for my art teacher, 3yrs, A+A+A+”. The Men; C’s B’s; The Womenzzzz F’s, D’s and F’s again! I lacked motivation being in a liberal femistution during the racial tensions of mandatory integration. Boston was the epicenter of violence.

I was pulling my grades with a 40 to 80% absent! The f~~~ing place was HELL! As soon as I got any s~~~ from any of them, every f~~~ing one of them, I would walk out and spend the day in truancy, my f~~~ing world! I hooked up with others and built forts in the woods, or took a bus into the city, and explored through all the tall buildings and shopping centers.

My father tried, I could not be broken. By the 10th Grade I left school to drive for my father’s towing company. He was an amazing man, did what the f~~~ he wanted, was smart; USAF B-36 nuclear bomber, radar/tail-gunner 19yrs old; worked in aerospace, constructing, calibrating, and assembling Apollo, missile, and aircraft industry, guiding systems, built his own color television when they first came out, he was 30yrs. old. He abandoned all that to start a successful towing and coach repair business, left that and started his own construction company, construction supervisor’s license “unrestricted class” But any way enough of him…

I worked towing for about a year then went bask to school (Vocational G.E.D. Machinist) I whacked that out in 9 f~~~ing months and received my diploma.. I went to work for a large factory in the maintenance dep… Worked on everything from complicated gear boxes to electronic control systems, the f~~~ing union/management friction was atrocious, I just wanted to get things up and running again, management/union was gear boxes of politics binding everything up! I said, f~~~ that! Started working construction when times were good, Built my own house, without bankster assist. It’s my deed, f~~~ the gangbanksters, I never had a mortgage! F~~~ing never will! My floors were painted plywood for years. Anyway…

My education was self extended by reading volumes of books,(not national enquirer) and hands on doing…I read about molecular bonding and polymer strands, chemical compounds like H3PO4 “phosphoric acid” molar mathematics and compound ratios, things of that nature…
I also read 1890’s railroad engineering and construction. “that one got me a job moving historic buildings of brick, wood, and stone”. I’ve studied thermal, hydro, and aerodynamics on my own. I went to flight school and learned how to “properly” fly, using VOR/OBS, (directional range and bearing selector “good”) the extinct DME, and already had learned GPS. I can tig’ mig’ and arch weld. I have my own tools and equipment ( a small fortune). I used my knowledge to construct a revolutionary down draft thermal mass flex fuel hydronic boiler. Worked better than anything I ever saw, got it running this year, took two years (part time) to construct and install. It burns plastic (ethylene/propylene) wood, and waste oil, NO F~~~ING SMOKE whatsoever! I deployed every f~~~ing thing I learned into this: corollas effect, cyclonic distillation and condensation, thermal stratification and separation, molecular thermal fragmentation, and much more……

I’m working on wood gasification, and bio diesel production (hobby) I also studied refinery production…

I’ll end it on this note: Go f~~~ your self MiZZZZZZZZ Parkins I didn’t need you, or your kind anyway!

In my world the small people are big, and the big people are small!

I did’n use enough antifreeze and the underground pipes ruptured, until next spring, f~~~ it!

[knightslayerParticipant 36]

there was never really an event that led up to it. i spent most of my life trying to find somewhere to belong, and then i realized i didn’t have to belong anywhere. i could just forge my own path, go my own way. there’s nothing more liberating than that moment of realization.

[HimeoParticipant 471]

I was friends with Jaime Ramos. I worked with him. I knew him. He was a Star Trek: TNG fan and a gamer. A passionate and decent child in the process of becoming a man.

I knew Patty Presba. I had several private conversations with her asking her for advice. I still have a hard time believing just how f~~~ed up she was. She had everyone fooled. Everyone. This was not a human being this was a spider wearing the body of a woman.

If All Women Are Like That… If all women are like Patty… I looked into her eyes and it wasn’t an Abyss. She wasn’t crazy. She wasn’t disturbed. She was just a woman. We called her “Mother”. For most of the 90 young men there, it wasn’t a nickname.

Jaime was just a man.

I worked at the Greenwood CCC. I was the same age as Jaime. I worked on his crew. At one point he was using a chainsaw less than two feet from my head.

Don’t know what I’m talking about?

I watched this happen. I’ve taken the lesson to heart. This didn’t make me a MGTOW, but it was what opened my eyes.

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

Greetings.  What led me here?  The fact that I swore off dating / women after my divorce (I am NOT gay by the way).  Sure I thought about dating but don’t feel like getting eaten alive by women.  They play their little games.  Oh sure… things start off all nice and sweet.  But then things change.  Then come the s~~~ tests.   Then come the ultimatums (I could go on but I am making myself pretty depressed reliving old s~~~).

Anyhoo – glad to be here.  Perhaps I can help others, as they have already helped me.

Cheers.

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

Seeing my parents’ marriage was a starter.  My mother’s emotional/verbal abuse, my father white-knighting for her despite whatever she had done, and them constantly fighting regardless.  They had me at 17 years old, and my dad dropped out of school to raise me while my mom either 1) got to attend school to graduate full-time or 2) attend school part-time and work part-time.  My parents married in 1989, divorced in 2009 (I was 21 by that time).   They split because my father started becoming interested in someone else.  I was still a pathetic white knight at the time, so I believed all the things my mother told me, even when she was being verbally abusive towards me.  I believed that I wasn’t worth anything (I caught her once talking about me behind my back, calling me a “worthless piece of sh-t”), I believed that my dad indeed left my mother for no good reason, I believed that any woman I dated was “too good for me” and that I was “not good enough for any of them…”  I believed everything.  Turns out, my dad left her because she cheated on him many times in their 20 year marriage…from as early as year one.  He finally woke up to this and left her.  Why did he put up with the 20 years of that?  For my younger sister and me.  He didn’t want to devastate our lives, and so he endured.

I was a foolish teenager/young adult and dated anyway, though I think it had to do with me not being allowed to date and being far too interested in the idea of it.

From the first girl I dated from when I was 16 to the rest that I have either dated or were “talking” about dating, every one of them (with the exception of maybe one) have either cheated on me, left me to pursue a relationship with a woman, or abandoned the idea of dating me to be with a woman or a man 2-3 times their age that have more significant income than myself.

Thanks to my upbringing and how many of the women I’ve encountered in my life have torn me apart, I now have quite severe mental issues thanks to that.  I have what’s called “Avoidant Personality Disorder.”  (It explains why I’ve apologized for long posts and I’m very apologetic in the first place, by the way…heheh.)  Women terrify me now after being physically beat by my most recent ex and having my sister defend her by threatening the police (who have been already proven to be gynocentric when my mom falsified information against the police against my father and myself before) and by my mother who told the girl who beat me “you don’t deserve the anguish he puts you through.”

After finally being revealed to things like this site and several YouTube channels, I feel awakened.  Anytime I’ve brought up my past to women these days, they ask ME the infamous question:

“What did you do to drive your [mother/girlfriend] to do that to you?  Women don’t just lash out like that…”

That seems to be one of the most annoying questions I’ve ever heard in my life.  Are women really that defensive of other women?  (Obvious answer: YES)

[KingofWisdomParticipant 72]

Luckily, there was no specific life event that led to me embracing MGTOW. It had more to do with me reading up online and realizing that at any given time, I am just one call away from being locked up in jail. All it takes is a woman’s word against yours. Then there’s the fact that men are legally hyper-responsible for pregnancy, yet the failure rate of male condoms is quite high compared to female contraceptives. I certainly don’t hate women for being women, but I’m still angry about it all. Though that anger is slowly turning into indifference.

[…Spectator 1165]

KingsofWisdom: you are correct. all the societal systems are now so anti-male that many of us have chosen to opt out after having bad personal experiences and reading here about those of other guys who did nothing wrong but are doing jailtime, having their sperm hijacked, or going through horrible divorces while they women end up with all our resources.

[davParticipant 422]

Got divorced by ex-wife for no reason. I got totally blindsided. I was naive and there was no one around to learn from. I stupidly put women on a pedestal. I thought getting laid was important. It isn’t.

She even said “It’s not your fault” WTF?

Maybe I should have cheated on her or beat her or not looked after her, at least then would make more sense to me.

Cost me a lot of money. P~~~ed off.

Then later I started reading about this stuff on the internet and led me to MGTOW.

Turns out I learned women just dump decent husbands for nothing at all. To get a grab at your cash and assets. No fault divorce! Who the f~~~ thought that was a good idea back in the 1970s. feminists and white knights that’s who. Now marriage is royally f~~~ed beyond belief. Marriage is a f~~~ing sham. So is living with a woman. Have your own place. You won’t get nagged. Women are messy and they suck at housework anyway.

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

@dav – I actually heard it from a woman friend (strictly work relationship).  She said ‘My mother told me to marry once for love and then marry for money’.   I may have it switched… but you get the idea.   Appealing isn’t it??

They look into our eyes, smile and tell us how they are going to F~~~ us!!

Run FOREST – RUN!!!!

 

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[MisogyninjaParticipant 4]

I was a MGTOW before I knew what one was. I had the occasional girlfirend, but they were all lying whores given the right scenario. Many of them would flirt with my f~~~ing friends right in front of me. A couple ex’s actually f~~~ed my friends and of course will take it to their whore graves. Feminism and the damage it causes to our society was not really on my radar, however, until GAMERGATE shined a light on much of it. I might still bang the occasional female, if her company can be tolerated….but I will NEVER marry and will NEVER live with a woman EVER again. Even if I did absolutely nothing with my life besides working out, jerking off and playing video games, I would be infinitely happier.

[joelawParticipant 6]

Bitchy wife syndrome.   The c~~~ p~~~es me off so bad that 90% of the time I just tune her out.

Due to being in the middle of the GREAT DEPRESSION 2.0,  I can’t afford to divorce.

But, given that we’ve got separate bedrooms, I consider myself MGTOW!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@joelaw

Have you read Einsteins marriage contract?

A. You will make sure…

*that my clothes and laundry are kept in good order;

*that I will receive my three meals regularly in my room;

*that my bedroom and study are kept neat, and especially that my desk is left for my use only.

B. You will renounce all personal relations with me insofar as they are not completely necessary for social reasons. Specifically, you will forego…

*my sitting at home with you;

*my going out or traveling with you.

C. You will obey the following points in your relations with me…

*you will not expect any intimacy from me, nor will you reproach me in any way;

*you will stop talking to me if I request it;

*you will leave my bedroom or study immediately without protest if I request it.

D. You will undertake not to belittle me in front of our children, either through words or behavior.

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Krab_Ass wrote:

They look into our eyes, smile and tell us how they are going to F~~~ us!!

A girlfriend once told me how she secretly told her friends “one day this is going to PAY OFF”. She used the words “PAY OFF”. When she started sending me links to jewelry on Ebay “for gift ideas”, I began formulating my escape plan. It never “PAID OFF” for her in the end.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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