What Level of MGTOW are you?

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

http://theobserverwatches.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-four-levels-of-mgtow-betas-shrug.html

There might be some other form of categorizing that’s different, I’ve seen 5 levels here, 4 levels there, so I’m looking at the 4 levels here.

According to the site above, I think I’m like LEVEL 1, probably closer to LEVEL 2 as time goes on. I don’t know if I’ll go full monk mode, but then again I never thought I’d go to LEVEL 2. As time goes on, I only see myself slipping closer to level 2. I still enjoy the occasional f~~~, I’m 22, but I have a feeling that as I hit 35 or so, my big head will overpower my little head and I’ll go LEVEL 3. So, what level are you all?

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[Anonymous 26]

Interesting article Silverstone II, I read some of it but not all (bookmarked for future analysis).

Although a huge part of me loves motor boating a huge firm pair of juggs and get my freak on. I think am actually at level 3 (unless I sped read it wrong… could be a possibility), a part of me would love to go full level 4 if I had a 100 acres somewhere with ample wild game, fish and farmland.

[HimeoParticipant 471]

IDGAF level. Who cares?

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

This thread might be of interest to you – /forums/topic/economic-disengagement-mgtow/

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

The levels are all over the place.

i’m 1,2,3, and 4.

also… that article is wayyyyyy wayyy wayy tooo long; i couldn’t really bother reading more than the first few sentences of each “level” and the author lacks a basic understanding of economics, which completely ruins #3.

For example, i work hard so that i can leave society as much as possible.
i will reach retirement goals before i hit 30; and from there go completely off-grid; living off of the land… in luxury.

or i could do it right now at this exact moment, but then i would have a much smaller barrier of land between me and the nearest person. i would also have no backups incase something goes wrong.

So, i am right now choosing to work my ass off, for the next 6-7 years… in order to safely reach the ultimate goal.

Really half of these “levels” are self harming.

My Goal: To Leave Society.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Himeo wrote:

IDGAF level. Who cares?

I care. I don’t live my life based on some ridged hierarchy of MGTOW levels, but I think it provides a decent framework to say so at a glance. I just want to see what my fellow MGTOW feel about life, and wonder if they are going more and more their own way like me as time goes on.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

I reject the whole level thing. I won’t pigeon hole my MGTOW.

Did you see that? I called it “my MGTOW” that what the women always say to wiggle out of an argument “well your accusation is meaningless because my feminism doesn’t call for putting all men in concentration camps”

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Anonymous 26]

Silverstone the Second wrote:

I care. I don’t live my life based on some ridged hierarchy of MGTOW levels, but I think it provides a decent framework to say so at a glance.

Let’s keep in mind that for some guys who are just now realizing the reality of the matrix, or the guy who’s had his whole world suddenly turned upside down because of some c~~~ and now he’s contemplating suicide, or the young male who is discovering that the world and society isn’t all that that he’s been told about….. all of these guys are either just now discovering Mgtow or about too.

For these newbies maybe a level system of Mgtow gives them some source of information…. because let’s face it…. any positive information for men is better than the status quo that the matriarchal society spits out at us everyday!

[hmskl’dParticipant 6413]

I really don’t like any levels or labels but I’d be three (in work related areas) and likely four in some other areas (avocation and relationship).

[Spank The MisandristsParticipant 2308]

I never understood this idea. If I am truly going my way, why would I want to categorize myself according to some hard coded definition. I am just me, I do whatever I want the moment I want to do it as long as I don’t harm anybody.

[Anonymous 26]

For the record gentlemen… I completely understand and respect everyone’s individual goal, vision, desire to go their own way, and not submit to any kind of classification (because yeah on a certain level being categorized is like being labelled to which position wez a gonna be slav’n on the plantation).

All am going to reiterate is… any positive information for any NEW Mgtow is better than the s~~~ being broadcasted across the media.

Peace and cheers

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

Well basically mgtow for me is not getting married or moving in with a gal I still talk with them, date them, and be a complete asshole for my own personal enjoyment but i am not gonna get down on one knee begging some girl for marriage.

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

[The Skank SpankerParticipant 1372]

What is the basic benefit of labeling and classifying MGTOW people? If you state there are “red-pill” levels for MGTOW, are there also blue pill levels? Its crazy. Once we start to differentiate between ourself, you will create a group within a group. Why split a group that shares the same ideology? There is no hierarchy in MGTOW, so there is no need for grouping into levels, even if you are more hardcore MGTOW than others. Big deal.

I never saw any benefit to this system. True MGTOW don’t even care about putting a sticker or their head, because they don’t give a f~~~ about being or having a label. It doesnt chance anything for anyone, besides the fact that you can try to boast about being MGTOW Level 99 “LOOK IM NUCLEAR BUNKER LVL 9000 MGTOW, HAVENT SEEN A WOMEN IN 20 YEARS IM BADASS”.

— nobody cares —

Perhaps we are all unique snowflakes after all, so we don’t need a useless classification system. The whole reason we want to check out of society is because we f~~~ing hate classifications and systems labeling us as men. Being this. Being that. Provide this. Be a man. Uphold this standard. Then we turn MGTOW and hey “Here’s another level system that we are putting you in”.

What I am trying to say is, each and every individual goal, lifestyle or mindset of every one of our 12.000 members can not be put into a level 4 system.

[Anonymous 5]

I don’t care for the level things. All I know is my life is a million times better without a c~~~ in it.

[HitmanParticipant]

I’m at level “I don’t give a damn what others think anymore “..it’s freedom, no more mental prisons. .This can fluctuate occasionally. .old beliefs either get reinforced or discarded as necessary. .it took me a lot to get here. . I’m not giving away the ground I fought for now. .it’s MINE!!!I’m not categorizing myself, not after being categorized everywhere else.

[DungeonMasterParticipant 27]

Level 0. Yep, definitely level 0.

I can see myself falling into level 1 possibly. Probably not level 2.

I read most of the article, of which, it was long. 1 and 2 sound like self preservation. I have looked this way because my previous world view was destroying my self esteem, confidence, and sanity.

3 and 4 are sounding more like cutting off your nose to spite your face. In the reasoning of these levels it sounded like, because a MGTOW just doesn’t want to pay into society because he so strongly disagrees. One can reach the effect of level 3 and 4 without having a negative reasoning. For instance, I try to follow the Buddhist and Taoist philosophies. When you release desire you can become economically disengaged and fall away from society in general. Not out of a distaste for society but because you have achieved enlightenment. You have found contentment within yourself and no longer have need of more.

I enjoyed the read and have never before heard of the man tax in Japan or Sweden before. That is just scary.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Didn’t know everyone was so averse to the whole level thing. Thought I’d use a quick and easy guide to see where everyone’s at in their journey and get some experiences about what everyone else is going through, can’t really talk about it to too many people in life. So, let me rephrase it all….

How has MGTOW changed your life?

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[MIKETOWParticipant 757]

Judging by the criteria in the link you provided, I’m somewhere between levels 2 and 3. I associate with females to a small extent and do have a few female friends (more like friendly acquaintances) and I am close to my mother and sister. But I do not date or have sex. Not even flings. I will occasionally find myself flirting with some woman, and then I hate myself for it afterwards.

Even before I heard about MGTOW, I’ve wanted for the longest time to go off grid. Live in the solitude of nature and learn what the natural world has to teach me.

[Anonymous 29]

Silverstone the Second wrote:

What Level of MGTOW are You

I do not know who or when this form of grading of MGTOW men was established, but is this necessary ?
Do we need a pecking order ? . . . or a p~~~ing match to see which MGTOW’s are better than other’s ? . . . because
from my point of view that’s the way we are going with it.

Is it not enough, that majority of MGTO’s had to fight their way out of a pile of s~~~ caused by feminism only to
build another hierarchy among ourselves ? For what reason and to what end ?

Now that these levels of MGTOW are in print so to speak, we can not eraze nor should we eraze them but leave them
only as reminders of how far men will go to be free of social and gynocentric chains imposed on them.

No offence to anyone but MGTOW levels should be more as a reference to see how your own development
is progressing and not to be used intentionally or unintentionally as a yard stick to measure yourself against others.
Any heat is welcome.

ps: cream always rises to the top . . . . and from that cream we get the best and most intelligent men to speak for us.

[Misogynistic Straight GuyParticipant 23]

I don’t take the whole MGTOW levels seriously and feel as though they’re sort of cultish if us MGTOW adhered to them.

Just for laughs though, I’d say I’m level 4.

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