Economic Disengagement & MGTOW

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Below is a work in progress; I may be editing this from time to time or replying with addenda &/or redactions.

http://theobserverwatches.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-four-levels-of-mgtow-betas-shrug.html (linked only for the delineation of levels)

In summary, the author argues that MGTOW generally progresses as follows:
0) Situational awareness
1) Rejection of long-term relationships
2) Rejection of short-term relationships
3) Economic disengagement
4) Societal rejection

I much prefer to think of MGTOW in terms of stages, not levels, as the latter implies hierarchy while the former merely implies chronology and progression.

Here I will be discussing Stage 3 i.e. economic disengagement.

The article cites two common reasons for this:
“a) Lack of desire to produce due to being denied a meaningful and socially accepted path to respect within the grasp of the everyday man.
b) Refusal to pay into confiscatory wealth transfers from productive men to other groups via the state. The amount paid into taxation vs the amount of benefits received from the state is one example of this.”
I redacted the word “beta” from this excerpt because categorising men via Greek letters is for pick-up artists and other snake oil peddlers.

The reason this must necessarily follow the rejection of short-term relationships is because such relationships require economic resources for their maintenance, directly and indirectly. Direct costs may include gifts, restaurants, and the cost of transportation while indirect costs include the cost of fashionable clothing, the cost of a more expensive residence than otherwise required, and other baubles and trinkets that communicate social status.

A man who is socially aware is well-versed in hypergamy, Briffault’s Laws listed below, and the general misandry in which society i.e. females in aggregate is either actively engaged or complicit.
1) Past benefit does not provide for continued or future association.
2) Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit.
3) A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current or future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (if at all).

Therefore, in order to maintain a short-term relationship, one must constantly communicate one’s status and one cannot afford to be seen as weak or broke.

However, these expenditures come from after-tax money. Let us assume a man earns approximately the median salary in the United States i.e. $50k. Assuming state income tax of 5%, and sales tax of 5%, he will have to earn $140 before tax to spend $100. The fishy odour of the puss hole entices him to work harder in hopes of keeping the attached female satisfied, and he earns another $5k. The problem is, he only takes home another $2,9k; 42% of the additional moneys he procured were stolen. He earned $183 pre-tax to pay for the extra $100 bauble he purchased to appease a woman. This does not account for the additional revenue he generated for his employer who must also pay tax.

A man with situational awareness is knowledgeable of the tampon-shaped gravy train to wit the welfare state that makes two stops – one at the man’s wallet for loading, and the other at the woman’s purse for unloading. He also knows of his fellow men who have been made to suffer at the hands of a regime who regards men as milk cattle in times of peace and beef cattle in times of war, and how reform is nigh impossible as females make up a majority of the electorate. This affects his cost-benefit analysis:

On the one hand, one can ensure that there is a bun for his hot dog with the associated risks of doing so, but be overworked and contribute to a regime he loathes. On the other, he can slack off at work, maybe not worry so much about getting a promotion, or perhaps seek a less demanding occupation, and deprive the regime of the monies he was paying in tax, but have less money to throw at baubles, thus risking the forfeiture of said bun.

The transition from Stage 2 to Stage 3 of MGTOW occurs when this cost-benefit analysis results in the latter course of action.

Having been economically disengaged, it is not nearly as odious as it is portrayed in the mass media that is sponsored by snake oil (i.e. “medication”), restaurant food, and peddlers of shoddy s~~~ from the Orient. I can say from experience that even an extreme form of economic disengagement i.e. homelessness is not nearly as daunting as it is portrayed to be. It has not affected my ability to continue university classes, and my routine expenditures total less than $300 / mo. The reason economic disengagement is stigmatised is because the mass media manipulates popular culture to the benefit of business and industry that has every interest in people owning costly, absurdly large spaces in which to put superfluous things resulting in a captive workforce that must find money to maintain them.

[Anonymous 3]

The median income in the US is not $50k. 51% of the US population makes under $30k, and those are just the working members. We know 100M aren’t even in the workforce.

$50k is the median HOUSEHOLD income. And it usually dips below that, especially inflation adjusted. Although I guess the non-workers do make $50k+ with government benefits, that’s usually limited only to women, and I don’t think that figures into the individual earner incomes.

Just wanted to make your post more accurate, accuracy is important.

Otherwise, I follow your post, and am pretty much Stage 3 MGTOW. It’s funny because at one point I managed to make a six figure income, putting me in the top 5% or so of individual income earners (and beating out most households). And now? Heh heh, I barely make anything. Just enough to get by, and the rest of the time play computer games on my decked out PC. Ah, things are good. I need to start traveling too, I hear that’s great.

I’ve been using the excuse that I’m broke to try and keep women away, but they don’t actually seem to care about that and haven’t for years. When I saw the actual income levels I figured out why. $30k is very little money, and knowing how things work I’m pretty sure it’s mostly men below that number anyway, considering most of the women I know are in government jobs making an easy $70k+ and whining for more. Men have been devalued so much that even an MGTOW working part of the year is going to have more money than most. Pathetic.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Phoenix, thank you for bringing this error to my attention.

I went over the data and the median salary for a man, 25+ with an associate’s degree is 43k, while one with a bachelor’s degree earns 67k. (source – US Census Bureau, Table P-16, 2014) Therefore, 50k is not an unseasonable figure for my scenario, all things considered, but the median salary it is not.

[Anonymous 3]

https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2014

This is way more accurate than the Census numbers you probably looked at.

$50k puts an earner in the top 25-29%.

And remember, again, that top 30% or so is going to be filled with women, at least half, probably more with the gynocentric nature of the world.

So what is that really? Maybe top 15% of men? Maybe even more exclusive than that?

These are the real numbers, not the media numbers or fake internet numbers people want to push out. Absolutely brutal. Thanks Obama, feminism and the oligarchy. America is finished.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

That is entirely irrelevant and does not diminish my argument in the least.

In passing, I encountered you in another thread where economics was discussed. You dropped this line when I argued that Federal revenues could not sustain a “universal basic income and that the entirety of the budge is not spent “propping up Wall St.”

Anonymous wrote:

In short, you’re a f~~~ing retard, and f~~~ off.

It no longer pleases me to address your posts, so I would advise replying to someone else.

[RoyDalParticipant]

@Cipher Highwind;
Cool stuff man! Keep it up!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I think what you’re trying to say is …

FK EM ?

Sorry .. that just the Irish devil in me ☺

Yes you have hit spot on … although some won’t go through that whole thought process. They will arrive at it via spiritual, legal or mental protection paths.

Just like mgtow … all roads can take you there.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

3) Economic disengagement
4) Societal rejection

This is where I’m at. I live in a high cost of living/high tax state…40%+ of my paycheck gets confiscated in payroll taxes before I ever see it. I pay roughly another 2,500 a year in property taxes on my car and a condo. To top it off we have a sales tax as well thats 6%+.

I really want to buy a house…but depending what town and how big/how much land I’ll end up paying 5-10k a year in property taxes. I’d like to buy a second car for a toy, but again, depending what I get that will probably hit me for another 500-1000 a year in property taxes. Is it worth upgrading my lifestyle a bit when it means the government is going to bend me over for an additional 5,000 a year in taxes?

Its so much more appealing for me at this point just live cheap, save a lot, retire young, and move somewhere with a much lower cost of living/lower taxes. Ultimately why do I want to bust my ass working 40-70 hour weeks my whole life so I can buy nice things when I’m left with so little leisure time to enjoy those nice things, and when so much of my money ends up going to the government to support a f~~~ed up system. I’d rather just do without some of those nice things and have the satisfaction of paying less into a f~~~ed up system, and having more time to dedicate to leisure activities and hobbies rather than work.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

I could live high on the hog if I took home a net income of somewhere around $35-40k a year.

It never amazes how much people think you need to make before you are financially set.

Once I get my student loans paid off I don’t owe jack s~~~.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Anonymous 3]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

That is entirely irrelevant and does not diminish my argument in the least.

In passing, I encountered you in another thread where economics was discussed. You dropped this line when I argued that Federal revenues could not sustain a “universal basic income and that the entirety of the budge is not spent “propping up Wall St.”

phoenix wrote:

In short, you’re a f~~~ing retard, and f~~~ off.

It no longer pleases me to address your posts, so I would advise replying to someone else.

Wow you are an absolute woman.

Facts bother you and you take it as a personal attack, then go rooting around in ancient history to bring something up from another topic, while framing yourself as a victim.

You must have written a lot of stupid stuff for me to get to that point.

I am glad in a way that you brought that up though, now everyone knows to just ignore your posts and that they’ll all devolve into stupidity.

First time I’ve ever seen anyone whine about being linked to actual numbers.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Anonymous wrote:

In short, you’re a f~~~ing retard, and f~~~ off.

[Anonymous 3]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

phoenix wrote:

In short, you’re a f~~~ing retard, and f~~~ off.

Yeah, you are. Why don’t you f~~~ off instead of responding to me? You made an attention whore drama post framing yourself as a victim with your own narrative, insisted you wouldn’t respond to me again and then…

like a woman….

5 minutes later you respond again.

To me this is f~~~ing hilarious. But for you it’s really, really sad. Man the f~~~ up and get some testosterone you little bitch.

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

To reply to the original topic:

I’d class myself as Stage 3 moving onto Stage 4, I long since realised that relations~~~s weren’t worth it and I don’t do bars and clubs anymore, if I go out socially these days it’s pursuing my own hobbies and interests wherever that may take me.

Here in the UK the national average annual salary according to the ONS is currently £27,200 (~$42,000) a year, to enter the higher rate (40%) income tax bracket you need to be on ~£42,000 and change. Personally I’m sat between those two numbers and living a fairly comfortable life as a single man, without the need to either keep up with any Joneses or spend a fortune on keeping the fickle attentions of a woman the only “stuff” I’m worried about is a modest property, my car, my PC and my savings.

Sure it’s not the “high life” but it does well enough for me, no stress at home once I’ve left the day job behind.

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