What is this man's label for MGTOW?

[Anonymous 1]

sidecar wrote:

My tuna sense is tingling.

Yeah, my estrogen detector is also peaking.

His arguments are all over the place and lead to nowhere.

Just look at this:

ForgeHammerAnvil wrote:

As far as some of you commenting on the cost/benefits of being a father. I see a lot of you looking at children from a monetary perspective. While this is true, and I wouldn’t want to bring my child into a difficult situation, money doesn’t even a concern for me with this. Now, some may say I am just trying to continue a lineage, and I would also disagree with that. Can you explain me the universe? I highly doubt Can you explain me why a man would want children? For selfish reasons you might say; but that’s just psychobabble and assumptions due to a lack of understanding. As far as biology goes, yes following our biology to do this; sure I agree; and personally becoming a father is something I would cherish highly.

Here he/she is accusing Mgtow of looking at having a child only on the monetary costs. And then claims that, for him/her, being a father is something more. Well, fair enough. And then on his next paragraph, he writes this:

ForgeHammerAnvil wrote:

A lot of you have had children because it was “the thing” to do when you were in the Blue Pill world; you followed suit with the custom or fell under the pressure from your family. And listening to a lot of MGTOW, it seems you would have preferred to skip that all together and continue on as a bachelor. You simply shouldn’t have been a father in the first place; that’s it.

He/she totally ignores the suffering that many men, on this very site, went through. Never mind the fact that the MOTHERS prevent many of the fathers that post here from seeing their kids. Or raise them under the false narrative that their fathers never wanted to see them.

Let’s ignore that in the end, in order to avoid further pain, some men choose to consider their own sons as if they were dead, since the battle against the court and society is a lost one for fathers. Let’s forget that PARENTAL ALIENATION is a painful reality. Or that Women actually lie about the pill in order to get that child support cheque.

The reason why you guys are unhappy with children is because you guys are not father material. What? Are you guys being cut off from you father by the court system and/or the mother? That’s nonsense. But not ForgeHammerAnvil, he is REAL father material. You Mgtows that don’t understand because the ONLY REASON you guys got a kid is because of BLUE PILL pressure. Our friend here is different. He is a REAL “man”.

So yeah, I might be wrong, and would love to see @keymaster opinion on this thread.

But this paragraph alone already p~~~ed me off.

Cut the sensitive crap, she is using it as an excuse, this f~~~er is a tuna.

 

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Nice one Badkan. I honestly read the first 3-4 sentences of that 2700 word response and my eyes just about bled out of their sockets.

No way this is a guy. The logic isn’t there, the baseless condemnation is right on point from this user, and most damning is the “I know you better than you know yourself, and you were never father material”.

Haha, I wonder what it must be like to live in that fantasy world.

It never even occurs to her, that men may have started out as father material, but the system sucked them up, chewed them, and spat them back out to the point where they don’t see the trouble as being worth it in hindsight. Hindsight is 20/20.

Most men will admit their views are incomplete and could use more information.

I’ve only ever met women who will deal with absolutes, believe them with complete conviction, then try to completely dissolve your entire factual experience based on her feelings on the issue.

It’s a bad joke. The result being, most western feminists are a bad joke. Women don’t even like being around other women.

This is why generally women don’t rule the world, they aren’t malleable enough because their emotions aren’t tempered worth a damn.

Someone once told me .. men think about an issue, then decide how they feel. Women feel, then think about how they will react based on that feeling.

You’ll never rule the world with that process.

I had more but, this person honestly isn’t worth more typing. They clearly don’t even understand the simplest form of empathy, while demanding it in return. Sounds more and more like a woman.

 

[Anonymous 1]

Exsliventxs wrote:

I had more but, this person honestly isn’t worth more typing. They clearly don’t even understand the simplest form of empathy, while demanding it in return. Sounds more and more like a woman.

Dude, I made a huuuge response. Like, rebutting all, paragraph by paragraph of what “hammer time” here wrote. Lost it all because… internet. So I just posted the paragraph that p~~~ed me off the most. But as you pointed out, there is no logic or empathy.

I can be wrong, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Holy sardine, batman. You guys DO take quotes out of his wall of text, Im amused as s~~~.

I mean, I could take any phrase he/she spew out and post this video anyway.

@BadKan

“But this paragraph alone already p~~~ed me off.”  There was not a single one that didn’t p~~~ me off. So I can’t even quote as It would be me, just copy/pasting his whole message. O I will try for my own amusement.

 

” It is a challenging time for both men and women when it comes to our place in society. “

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[GrumpyParticipant]

ForgeHammerAnvil wrote:

We’ll, I want to thank everyone for their input.

You are quiet welcome Sedrick.

So you have no issues with the “individual MGTOW”, just the the “community as it is” ? I always understood a “community” to be a collection of individuals.  Most of the input from the other fellows here is pretty calm, and direct to the point. Allow me to present my version.

The current system/agenda being forced by women has failed, and will continue to fail, regardless of  all attempts to shore it up. So please allow those of us uninterested in participating in the toxic wasteland of modern relationships/society to exercise our free will. There is the whole rest of the internet and world for the gynocentric garbage, just not on this site.

 

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

ForgeHammerAnvil wrote:

We’ll, I want to thank everyone for their input. Yes, my response was a little emotional as this is very personal for me and am a sensitive man. Or are we no longer allowed to be sensitive? Has my respective experience as a man to be denied here? Wasn’t this the one place where all men were accepted? There must have been a typo on the pamphlet. I should have put it plainly; I want children, I can’t shake it off. I’m not cypher; I understand the reality.

Unless the “What do you call that guy?” is actually yourself, I have no idea why you would be saying, “I am no Cypher”.  The first word that popped into my head, considering the Red Pill is a metaphor is a Cypher is a guy who, after fully knowing everything, wants to go back under that, and forget it all.  It was less a Judas reference, and more wanted to return.  It was a reach for myself, and the first thing to pop into it.  The wanting kids is definitely a woman vibe thing.  Maybe a guy has an exception to this, but I am sure the MGTOW norm is that they don’t want kids and that has no appeal.  Maybe you are different.

My feeling is you shouldn’t worry about what you call yourself, and just do whatever.  Do blasted whatever you want, but understand the costs involved and the landmines, and if you fall into the same stuff you are warned about, don’t come back crying.  I don’t think you should care what anyone says or what you want to be called.  There aren’t rules here, just shared experiences.

By the way, what part of going your own way do you want to do?

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

I wonder if this guy is from AFVM.  It could be Dean Esmay. :))

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[sidecarParticipant 35851]

Anonymous wrote:

His arguments are all over the place and lead to nowhere.

Also men come to the forums to share and to learn. This… person came here to lecture and bitch and blame.

Crazy Canuck wrote:

I wonder if this guy is from AFVM. It could be Dean Esmay. :))

So would that make it salmon or haddock or something instead of tuna? It smells of fish either way.

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

In regards to the original post asking for a label, maybe the term “Tuna” would be a good label to use.  You can have the “Traditionalist Tuna” that wants to back and be plantation raised the way it was back in the 1950s, and if the world was only the way it was or “more fair” then things would be fine.  You have the “Modern Tuna” that has White Knight Tendencies.  I still believe “Cypher” can fit in here somewhere, but that might be more of a guy who ends up going Judas, instead of wanting to go back on the plantation.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[vincentosaurusParticipant 147]

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

Yes, my response was a little emotional as this is very personal for me and am a sensitive man. Or are we no longer allowed to be sensitive?

By all means be as sensitive as you want, but control it. Men are capable of emotional control, utilise it when dealing with other men.

A lot of you have had children because it was “the thing” to do when you were in the Blue Pill world; you followed suit with the custom or fell under the pressure from your family. And listening to a lot of MGTOW, it seems you would have preferred to skip that all together and continue on as a bachelor. You simply shouldn’t have been a father in the first place; that’s it.

This.. this is a female argument making thoughtless generalisations based off of no knowledge. You dont know us. For my part as a father, I never wanted to be a father, I never wanted kids. My ex lied to me about her birth control. Dont ever make such a female argument again. You’re apparently a man, act like you’re proud to be a man.

And so basically, the last bastion of support for men which is MGTOW even rejects me; way to go guys! I am thankful you all keep me in check and punch me across the face and tell me I am fantasizing here.

Have a sook mate. Honestly. If you’re too precious to handle blunt advice from those who have lived your dream, then I wish you the best and I’ll see ya never. YOU came HERE, asking questions. You got your answers and now you complain about how they were delivered when it was a poorly delivered question about a touchy subject.

But, doubt, or, the ability or second guess, or the ability to remain sceptic is slowly being flushed out of MGTOW.

Once again, a female argument. This is not an organisation, nor a movement. More a collective. You dont seem to be much of a man so I’m going to assume you’ve never been to a pub. Now, some pubs attract different clientele. Pub MGTOW has rules saying no women. THATS IT. We regulars come here, sit at the bar and trade stories, have a chat. On occasion fights break out, but then like men we all get over it and its not a big deal. KeyMaster is the bartender. Have your own say, have your own voice; god knows I do and there are posts that I disagree with, but I dont make a song and dance about it all the time as a woman might.

Not going to bother responding to the rest of your post.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[ForgeHammerAnvilParticipant 0]

Thanks guys

No hard feelings here; just wanted some input, that’s it.

Farewell

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