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We have four of them at my church.
You should find a new church. I don’t know why you still go there.
Would you patronise a bank that was infested with criminals who stole the money from your account? If it later came to light that this was indeed the case and your bank rather than turn these criminals over to the authorities lied about these thieves and transferred them to another branch so they victimize more customers, would you continue to patronise that bank?
Probably not.
So why would you waste your morality with a bunch of pederasts who raped children? I am very sorry but without even delving into the issue of atheism/theism it seems to me most people are just fed up with the hypocrisy of modern religion. These are the people who are supposed to teach us what the “right”, “moral” way of living is and too often these people are degenerates.
I realise this might not the case with your particular church but there has just been too many stories out there for the public to consume and this has sowed a lot of mistrust in modern organised religion.
So I, for one, do not see much future in organised religion.
It’s not my feelings that the catholic church has murdered 200+ million people. It’s not my feelings that the catholic church burned bibles, hence the reformation and formation of America itself
The Protestant churches have still killed plenty of people throughout the ages along with the rest of religions, those being the Protestants killed Catholics, Catholics killed Protestants, Muslims killed Catholics etc.
You cannot just point to one church as the scapegoat of all evil (Christianity would not be f~~~ing stupid if this church did not exist) because the fact remains all religions have fought with each other and have killed/restricted the other one.
This shows the nature of religion and why a secular government is needed to guarantee the freedom to believe whatever or no religion at all as when religion gets in power it tends to violate human rights (you mother f~~~ing Protestants would burn Atheists at the stake if given the chance none the less the Catholics).
It’s not my feelings that they have been exposed for drug trafficking, pedophilia, and prostitution rings.
All of which the fellow Protestants have engaged in.
Most catholic men I’ve met are 100% blue pill to mother mary and their wife. Not Jesus Christ or the Bible.
Most protestants are blue pilled because of the cucked indoctrination they shoved down their throats as children. I did the whole church gig and went from age 4 to 17 in the church (i am getting out next year when i have an effective mode of transport in place). I went by year by year seeing the bulls~~~ play out not only with the religion itself but the ideas on women which are 100 percent blue pill.
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It’s not my feelings that the catholic church has murdered 200+ million people.
Where have you got this figure from? Your source please. Even it is was correct, which it isn’t, you said it was over 2000 years. So let’s see 200,000,000 ÷ 2000 = 100,000 people on average were murdered by the Catholic Church each year since anno domini? How have you worked this out? What methods were used? The Pope ordered all this? Source.
It’s not my feelings that the catholic church burned bibles, hence the reformation and formation of America itself.
Ok, you’ll have to help me join up the dots here. The Catholic Church, as a organization, burned bibles, which caused Martin Luther to nail his 95 Theses to the door of Wittenberg Castle church in 1517. That made the American Revolution of 1776 against the Protestant King of England happen?
During the penal laws in Ireland, Catholics were forbidden to practice their faith on pain of death. Catholic bibles were destroyed. It works both ways, to the detriment of all.
It’s not my feelings that the catholic church is satanic to this day.
Yes it is, unless you provide evidence of satanism in the Catholic Church.
It’s not my feelings that they have been exposed for drug trafficking, pedophilia, and prostitution rings.
Prove it. I want evidence that ‘The Catholic Church’ in its official capacity, authorised, condoned, and sanctioned any of these activities.
If you indicate individuals acting as individuals, without the approval of the Church, I will refer you to Muslims, Sikhs, Protestants, Buddhists and atheists who have committed similar crimes and sins.
^FACTS
No they’re nothing of the sort. They are bare assertions put forward emotionally without any recourse to reason or argument.
In Matthew Chapter 23 it clearly states the difference between religion and biblical faith.
Well, if we’re going to quote gospel, have a look at this:
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter,and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Peter built that church in Rome, a church is not bricks and mortar, its the people who are the church.
It clearly states to call NO MAN father in reference to priests or pastors. What does the Catholic Church do? Call their priests fathers?
^FACTSWhat do you call the man whose sperm made you? Is he on earth? It doesn’t say “in reference to priests and pastors” in the bible. If you’re going to quote the bible in defence of your position, don’t misquote it. Matthew 23:9 clearly states:
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
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You made the bit about priests up. If you take this Gospel passage literally, you’ll have to come up with a new name for your own father.
But if you want more clarification on the issue of calling a priest ‘father’ let the Catholic Church explain itself:
To understand why the charge does not work, one must first understand the use of the word “father” in reference to our earthly fathers. No one would deny a little girl the opportunity to tell someone that she loves her father. Common sense tells us that Jesus wasn’t forbidding this type of use of the word “father.”
In fact, to forbid it would rob the address “Father” of its meaning when applied to God, for there would no longer be any earthly counterpart for the analogy of divine Fatherhood. The concept of God’s role as Father would be meaningless if we obliterated the concept of earthly fatherhood.
But in the Bible the concept of fatherhood is not restricted to just our earthly fathers and God. It is used to refer to people other than biological or legal fathers, and is used as a sign of respect to those with whom we have a special relationship.
For example, Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: “So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt” (Gen. 45:8).
Job indicates he played a fatherly role with the less fortunate: “I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know” (Job 29:16). And God himself declares that he will give a fatherly role to Eliakim, the steward of the house of David: “In that day I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah . . . and I will clothe him with [a] robe, and will bind [a] girdle on him, and will commit . . . authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah” (Is. 22:20–21).
This type of fatherhood not only applies to those who are wise counselors (like Joseph) or benefactors (like Job) or both (like Eliakim), it also applies to those who have a fatherly spiritual relationship with one. For example, Elisha cries, “My father, my father!” to Elijah as the latter is carried up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kgs. 2:12). Later, Elisha himself is called a father by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21).
Most catholic men I’ve met are 100% blue pill to mother mary
What does this mean? Blue pilled to the woman who gave birth to the Son of God? Has she the same status as today’s fallen women in your view?
and their wife.
ALL married men are blue pilled to their wives, not just Catholic men.
Not Jesus Christ or the Bible.
Jesus Christ is the saviour of mankind, if you think catholics don’t believe this then you know nothing of the Church. I read the Bible daily, my parish priest can memorise whole tracts of it. The scripture is read at every mass every hour and every day all over the world. Your views are bigoted and irrational.
^FEELINGS
Yes you have, you’re also incoherent and make up Gospel, but I’m not getting upset like you are.
There is a difference
There is, and its unfortunate. I respect all beliefs and all Christianity that’s genuine. I don’t insult those with differing views to my faith. That’s what being a Christian truly means. Think about it.
Anonymous6We have four of them at my church.
You should find a new church. I don’t know why you still go there.
It’s still majority men, it’s about 4 women and 7 men. Only two of the guys are worth listening to though.
Anonymous6Here’s a post I did on the 95 Theses:
I respect the Lutheran tradition, and only the Church has itself to blame for the schism. Simony was an issue among many other problems at that time. Many individuals were far from God, like the countless times the Israelites turned their backs on Him. But when they cried out in pain, He always came to them and forgave them.
Jesus made a new covenant, one that took in not just Israel but the gentiles too. We are baptised in Jesus, and we will sin, but those who truly love our Lord will see the Kingdom of God if they repent. Many Catholics, and many non Catholics stray all the time, and they cry out and are forgiven. The Church carries on, with all its human flaws, in the mystical body of the Saviour.
At the time of the Reformation there was a power struggle between the Papacy, the Holy Roman Emperor and the German Princes. Luther inevitably got caught up in that, but his charges were valid.
My (personal) response to the Lutheran objections are these:
The Church itself is the mystical body of Christ on earth. It cannot be blasphemous by itself because of this status; however, just like any body there will be rogue, malignant and harmful cells within the living mass of the overall body.
The crooks and despots, perverts and thieves that have sullied the body of the Church do not make the billions of cells that make up the entire body guilty by association. The body fights infection with the good cells it has within itself. The Church is vast, and each Catholic is a member, a cell. If they sin, they sin in their own name, not in the name of the Church.
Its not for me to judge anyone, I am a wretch, a sinner, the Lord will judge each of us when that day comes.
Its not for me to judge anyone, I am a wretch, a sinner, the Lord will judge each of us when that day comes.
That’s my reason for not going to confession anymore
. So let’s see 200,000,000 ÷ 2000 = 100,000 people on average were murdered by the Catholic Church each year since anno domini?
The best part is the Catholic church did not exist 2000 thousand years ago in its modern form (i mean with all the teachings). Christianity in the fist century was so divided so even by the assumption that the church is 1800 to 1900 years old they would have to kill more people.
It is not 100k a year dying to make up for the first few hundred years of the so called church (Christian legend puts the church as starting with peter not reality).
atheists who have committed similar crimes and sins.
My disagreement here is that Atheists generally have not committed crimes in the name of Atheism. Atheists have committed crimes but due to being Atheist or for the Atheist bible but rather personal gain.
What does this mean? Blue pilled to the woman who gave birth to the Son of God? Has she the same status as today’s fallen women in your view?
Women do not change throughout history no matter what religion puts women as in the past. Women from the so called time of Christ were the same as today’s women the only thing being is they were restricted from acting our their hypergamy in their society.
If Mary was set free in her time she still would have been a average woman but this is assuming Mary along with the other bible characters actually existed (not just church legends).
Jesus Christ is the saviour of mankind, if you think catholics don’t believe this then you know nothing of the Church. I read the Bible daily, my parish priest can memorise whole tracts of it. The scripture is read at every mass every hour and every day all over the world. Your views are bigoted and irrational.
This is Christian rationale for unbelief (i mean what you are quoting not you). Of course the non believers must be false Christians or even better yet the Atheists who left the church never were true believers to begin with as that explains the apostasy/difference in belief.
There is, and its unfortunate. I respect all beliefs and all Christianity that’s genuine. I don’t insult those with differing views to my faith. That’s what being a Christian truly means. Think about it.
When it comes down to it i do not respect people’s opinions especially those in religion and i admit all religions are bulls~~~.
Religion is bulls~~~ because the requirement of having faith not evidence to be saved. Of course religion uses outright frauds and lies in place of evidence to were they make claims without science being able to test it (like what the Catholic church does). And the only way i will accept a religion (any of them i am not biased toward Jesus or even Muhammad) is actual evidence.
If the Catholic church was proven then id be a Catholic, if the Baptist church down the street was proven id be Baptist etc.
But even with all of this i still am for the right to believe whatever you want to that of why i promote secular values so you do have the right to believe it without religion interfering with it. Yeah i think all religion is bulls~~~ and i can show it to be such but i will never support anyone promoting the taking away of the right to believe or even practice your faith (as long as you do not circumcise children).
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“You cannot just point to one church as the scapegoat of all evil (Christianity would not be f~~~ing stupid if this church did not exist) because the fact remains all religions have fought with each other and have killed/restricted the other one.
This shows the nature of religion and why a secular government is needed to guarantee the freedom to believe whatever or no religion at all as when religion gets in power it tends to violate human rights (you mother f~~~ing Protestants would burn Atheists at the stake if given the chance none the less the Catholics).”
NO. This is the biggest load of non-sense I have ever heard. People do not need government or religion to guarantee freedom. That’s total non-sense. JESUS CHRIST gives me my freedom. End of story. Secondly the catholic church has killed over 200 million. Bible believers may have defended themselves but they never once went on a crusade like the catholics. You need to brush up on your history because you DO NOT know what you are talking about. Sorry but that’s fact.
All of which the fellow Protestants have engaged in.
I’m not protestant, so quit pretending this is a protestant vs catholic thing. It’s not. The catholic church engages in murder of bible believers including bible burnings. You need some history lessons.
Most protestants are blue pilled because of the cucked indoctrination they shoved down their throats as children. I did the whole church gig and went from age 4 to 17 in the church (i am getting out next year when i have an effective mode of transport in place). I went by year by year seeing the bulls~~~ play out not only with the religion itself but the ideas on women which are 100 percent blue pill.
Once again, your women personality is shining. I never claimed to be protestant nor did I make this a protestant vs catholic thing. Both are delusional. Protestants back in the day during the reformation where true believers. Today’s protestants no. Catholics have never been believers. The conception of the catholic church is based on paganism mixed with Christianity. They did it to pull bible believers into paganism. This is history and bible. No debate. Learn some history please.
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Where have you got this figure from?
History and math. 50-70 million died in the inquisition ALONE. You’re blind to the history of your OWN church.
1096 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter half the Bible Believers in Worms, Germany.
1098 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter almost all of the inhabitants of the city of Antioch.
1099 Roman Catholic crusaders massacre 70,000 Muslims, Jews, and Bible Believers when they capture Jerusalem.
1208 – 1226 The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France, on July 22, 1209. Albigensian Bible Believers were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their “crusade,” almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Bible Believers) had been exterminated. During the six centuries of papal Inquisition that began in the 13th century, up to 50 million people were killed. Read what J. A. Wylie’s The History of Protestantism has to say about the Crusades against the Abigenses
1236 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Bible Believers in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France. The Catholic crusaders trample to death under their horses 3000 Jews who refuse baptism.
1243 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all Bible Believers in Berlitz, Germany (near Berlin).
1298 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all Bible Believers in Rottingen, Germany.
1349 Roman Catholic mobs burn to death all Bible Believers in Germersheim, Germany.
1348 – 1349 The Bible Believers are blamed for the bubonic plague. “Accused of causing the ‘Black Death’ Bible Believers were rounded up [by Roman Catholic mobs] and hanged, burned, and drowned by the thousands in revenge.”
1389 Roman Catholic mobs murder 3000 Bible Believers in Prague when they refuse to be baptized.
1481 – 1483 At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities burn at the stake at least 2000 people during the first two years of the Spanish Inquisition.
1540 – 1570 Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Bible Believers of all ages during this 30-year period.
1550 – 1560 Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period.
1553 – 1558 Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka “bloody Mary”) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, approximately 200 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders.
1572 St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside.
1618 – 1648 The Thirty Years’ War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population.
1641 – 1649 Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of at least 100,000 Protestants.
1685 French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.
Vatican Takes Control of America – Article Here
1902 – Vatican pushes for birth certificates and recording of births (to prepare for upcoming taxes and war efforts; the original purpose of vital statistics was for tax purposes and for the determination of available military manpower.)
1911 Jesuits sink Titanic clone on purpose to murder rich anti federal reserve Americans.
1913 Federal Reserve is put into place, taxes directly sent to Vatican’s banking capital.
1929 Great Depression Orchestrated stock market collapse, over 8 million died of starvation alone (to prepare for social security act, forced personage, and going off the gold standard to total fiat currency, even though gold is really fiat currency as well, price established by the same likes, instead American fiat currency would be generated by actual human beings as slaves)
1935 Social Security Act Legally acknowledging a United States Citizen (subject) is now property of the vatican. (total control over the people and resources of America)
1938 – 1945 Circa Catholic dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Monsignor Tiso slaughter over six million innocent people in Europe prior to and during World War 2.
1941 – 1945 The Roman Catholic Ustashi in the fascist state of Croatia butcher up to one million Serbian Orthodox Christians. Roman Catholic killer squads are often led by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars. This genocide is choreographed by two Jesuit prelates: Aloysius Stepinac and Ivan Saric.
Present Day International Bank / IMF in every country except two.
satanism in the Catholic Church.
That’s extremely easy. They don’t even hide it. Satanism in the Catholic Church
Peter built that church in Rome, a church is not bricks and mortar, its the people who are the church.
Catholics love to manipulate scripture. Or add to it. You quote scripture then add some non-sense. You ignore the clear contradictions in the Bible in Matthew 23 to go along with your silly religion of fathers. You debate like a women.
What does this mean? Blue pilled to the woman who gave birth to the Son of God? Has she the same status as today’s fallen women in your view?
You worship a women. That is the definition of a blue pill man.
Jesus Christ is the saviour of mankind, if you think catholics don’t believe this then you know nothing of the Church. I read the Bible daily, my parish priest can memorise whole tracts of it. The scripture is read at every mass every hour and every day all over the world. Your views are bigoted and irrational.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
STRANGE HOW SCRIPTURE CONSTANTLY CONTRADICTS YOU.
Yes you have, you’re also incoherent and make up Gospel, but I’m not getting upset like you are.
I’m not upset at all. You debate like a women. You literally manipulate, twist, and lie to push your point across. You are a blue pill man. 100%.
There is, and its unfortunate. I respect all beliefs and all Christianity that’s genuine. I don’t insult those with differing views to my faith. That’s what being a Christian truly means. Think about it.
Yes because that’s what the Bible teaches. Respect all religions and form one big world religion and government. HAHAHAHA Actually that’s the apocalypse in revelations. And the catholic church is setting you up to worship the anti-christ. YOU ALREADY DO. You worship a man in a dress and a women that gave birth. Not Jesus Christ. You’re religion is in vain and you are 100% blue pill. And no, I am not angry, disgruntled, or upset. Just giving you the truth. Anything I have said can be verified with research, history, and the bible. That’s why you don’t rebuttal what I’ve said, you try and manipulate instead. You attack my character instead of my words. Which is a classic feminist technique when confronted with raw truth.
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@anonymousyam
Again, you have your views and I respect that.This flagged up though
Yeah i think all religion is bulls~~~ and i can show it to be such
Show me.
@anonymousyam
Again, you have your views and I respect that.This flagged up though
Yeah i think all religion is bulls~~~ and i can show it to be such
Show me.
Matthew 23King James Version (KJV)
23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=KJV
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Hey new guy, you lose the debate the minute you go ad hominem and accuse people of being women. Usually round here that’s an indicator of projection.
You hate Catholics, you’re an intransigent bigot. My life hasn’t been affected in any way on discovering this.
NO. This is the biggest load of non-sense I have ever heard. People do not need government or religion to guarantee freedom. That’s total non-sense. JESUS CHRIST gives me my freedom. End of story.
The secular governments are what promote you to have the right to believe what you want religion wise and without them religions tend to try to get rid of each other such as the Catholics killing or exiling the Protestants in Spain or the Protestants hunting the Catholics down in Ireland and The early America’s.
Religion and government when mixed only violate the rights of others and it shows that when religions force themselves on government they promote their own religion and punish the believers of others (such as killing them for being heretics, taxing them like in Islam or prohibiting their practice such as the underground churches).
Secondly the catholic church has killed over 200 million. Bible believers may have defended themselves but they never once went on a crusade like the catholics
Prove they killed over 200 million? and when no rationalizing the killing of unbelievers by your sect. There are plenty of Protestants who have burned people at stakes or otherwise killed them not in self defense (the traditional means of it) but to force conversion or to get rid of them.
I’m not protestant, so quit pretending this is a protestant vs catholic thing. It’s not
Protestant is clearly is just a definition i am using for Christians outside of the Catholic church but not part of any other main group (such as the Mormons or the Witnesses).
The conception of the catholic church is based on paganism mixed with Christianity. They did it to pull bible believers into paganism
The Catholic church used Paganism in order to get Pagans more likely into believing as they could keep their traditions in a sense. Christmas never was a Christian holiday by any means but a traditional European one that the church used in order to help convert the Pagans (getting Pagans to convert is easier then a outright holy war against them).
Now for your statistics clearly looking them up shows you are working from copypasta as you clearly have saved this on your computer to debate the evil Catholics while ignoring the actions of the fellow Christians even in our modern times none the less throughout the ages.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/22/world/protestants-now-killing-more-than-ira.html
Or even the Philadelphia nativist riots is an example but yet being older.
Show me.
The burden of proof lies with those making the positive claim, Which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Religion relies on faith as being the building block as without faith no one can please God (Hebrews 11:6-8) whoever comes to God (quoting from the first scripture) must believe he is real.
The definition of faith in a religious context is from Hebrews 11:1 which states that faith is the things hoped for the evidence of which not seen (which you can look across multiple versions and see a similar passage).
Now again on faith in religion alot of doctrine is built up on faith and churches are even named after it (venom’s Martin Luther stated pray to God to work faith in you else you will remain forever without faith). Look up any church on the internet and read their core values and faith is one of the requirements and as i have already said there are hundreds of churches with the word faith in their title.
So to summarize what i just said religion is bulls~~~ because its foundation is not on evidence but rather faith as faith is a required doctrine not evidence and with the claims it makes it sure as hell should not be taken on faith as these are magical and impossible claims which need the most evidence and the least amount of faith to accept them.
I need more evidence to believe a man walked on water, cured sickness, rose form the dead, was born from a virgin, was the son of a God, had talking animals and snakes and created humans out of a magic spell involving breathing the breath of life into us.
All the evidence shows us that walking on water is a optical illusion with a perfectly natural explanation, diseases are not caused by demons and the only way to cure them is through science not exorcism, people do not come back from total death (if someone dies then comes back they were not completely dead), we do not even know if a God exists none the less if he had a Son or even were to use the same concepts as us such as a Son), talking animals again natural explanation and do not happen except in a minority of cases, and humans evolved over a long process known as Evolution not being created in a garden by a magic spell.
This is what the evidence shows and it is in contrast to religion so till the day someone can prove their religion to be true (via evidence) it is not true by default.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
It’s just odd to me. The influence of the church used to be huge, it was insurmountable, the church used to basically run roughshod in Europe at one point. Now that influence has just dwindled as the years have gone by.
This may not be the answer you want to believe, but it’s true. The narcissists that run society have always needed a way to control populations. The most primitive ways of controlling a population are through slavery, religion, and dictatorships. This is why the primitive society of the middle east is still controlling their population via religion. I guarantee you that if the elite hadn’t found a better way to control us, religion would still be widespread today. People are generally stupid and suggestible.
The best slave is the slave that believes himself to be free. Everyone that lives in a “first world” society today is a complete and total slave. Worse than any slaves of any previous society. Sure, we have higher living standards. That’s thanks to technology. But over 1/2 of our labor is given away to the elite. Human labor isn’t even required anymore. But they need something to keep us busy. Only now are the elite trying to cull the herd. Hence, why idiots are encouraged to breed while they’ve set things up so that intelligent people won’t.
Hey new guy, you lose the debate the minute you go ad hominem and accuse people of being women. Usually round here that’s an indicator of projection.
You hate Catholics, you’re an intransigent bigot. My life hasn’t been affected in any way on discovering this.
Once again you are acting like a women. I never said I hated Catholics. I simply told you the history of Catholicism.
big·ot
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a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.I’m not intolerant. Reality is reality dude. The Catholic Church has murdered 200+ million people. THIS IS A FACT. Look at all the little manipulative games you’re playing to disregard this FACT.
Prove they killed over 200 million? and when no rationalizing the killing of unbelievers by your sect. There are plenty of Protestants who have burned people at stakes or otherwise killed them not in self defense (the traditional means of it) but to force conversion or to get rid of them.
You keep telling me to prove it but I have provided links, records from the vatican itself, and documentaries. It’s not my fault you are in denial… the facts have been presented and backed up. This is why debating a religious person (atheism included) is futile. They deny reality and run from evidence while claiming they need evidence. Atheist need government to give them freedom. That’s why they worship it and themselves over God. The concept of atheism isn’t new. It comes from the Greek word atheos. Which simply means to DENY the one true living God. But, that’s why the public government schools teach you evolution and the big bang, both vatican inventions to control secular society, so that you worship government and not God. It’s easy control while the silly atheist blames the bible.
Before you ask for your evidence, go ahead and google “Georges Lemaître”
Wait, I’ll do it for you, AGAIN.In 1927, the Belgian Catholic priest Georges Lemaître proposed an expanding model for the universe to explain the observed redshifts of spiral nebulae, and calculated the Hubble law. He based his theory on the work of Einstein and De Sitter, and independently derived Friedmann’s equations for an expanding universe.
I’m not a bigot when reality backs up what I say. *Shrug* Women debating tactics always surface with religious people. (Atheists included)
Here is an example of the biblical gospel message. No religion. Read it all and see if you can comprehend the difference between real faith and religion. (Atheism included).
Now for your statistics clearly looking them up shows you are working from copypasta as you clearly have saved this on your computer to debate the evil Catholics while ignoring the actions of the fellow Christians even in our modern times none the less throughout the ages.
First of all I never said I was a Christian. Another silly assumption on your part. Secondly, I have provided scripture that proves that not everyone that says they are a Believer, IS a BELIEVER.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Christianity and the Bible contradict eachother. Let’s get that clear man.
Lastly, I am a born again believer. I do not subscribe to ANY religion. I was saved by FAITH in what Jesus Christ did. John 3:3King James Version (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
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And to be clear about one thing. I spend my time telling you guys this out of love. I am not angry at all. I wouldn’t waste my time if I thought you guys couldn’t figure this s~~~ out. Some just need a good smack in the head with truth to wake up and see the light. <3 Much love. Absolutely no hate. I am just giving you facts and biblical truth. You have the free will to believe anything you want and I can still have a beer with you regardless. But I wouldn’t be who I am if I didn’t confront the lies and give you the truth. Can you confront some of the topics I’ve brought up? Can you spend a few days researching? Try it. Instead of YOUR silly games of trying to make it out like I’m an angry bigot, which is non-sense. Instead try researching the catholic church history YOURSELF. It’s not hard to find these facts. I’m not that smart. Being skeptical of what I say is a good thing, but hiding behind that skepticism will keep you from growing.
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You keep telling me to prove it but I have provided links, records from the vatican itself, and documentaries. It’s not my fault you are in denial… the facts have been presented and backed up
The Catholic church has done s~~~ in the past i am not denying it in the slightest but the history of religion as i already said is not clean in the slightest and even if the evil Catholics did not exist you would still be s~~~ as Protestants still go and kill people for their faith.
Atheist need government to give them freedom. That’s why they worship it and themselves over God
Atheists need the government to prevent the Christians or the Muslims from hunting them down none the less each other down. Open Atheism is a modern idea as Atheism was restricted in the past to where Atheists or even skeptics were forced to shut up about it.
Now when it comes to government giving freedom without the government telling us that there is state church seperation then the Muslims or the Catholics would have hunted you down or the one based on the greatest population numbers. You would not have the freedom to believe in your God or express it if we had a theocracy.
The concept of atheism isn’t new. It comes from the Greek word atheos. Which simply means to DENY the one true living God
Atheos comes from the time of the Greeks before the tales of Christianity developed so your argument is flawed. Atheist means to lack of belief in or deny the existence of Gods specifically the Theist Gods not just your God.
And when it comes to the one true living God that is your burden to prove.
But, that’s why the public government schools teach you evolution and the big bang, both vatican inventions to control secular society, so that you worship government and not God. It’s easy control while the silly atheist blames the bible.
The public schools teach Evolution and the big bang because they are the best models we have and the most proven out of them as of right now. Now when it comes to Catholic origins if you cry conspiracy not only must you prove it (aside from one Catholic scientist) but you must also explain what is and what is not a conspiracy?
Is the work of Gregor Mendel a conspiracy by the Vatican just because he was a Catholic? was he a evil man plotting for the death of religion while doing his work or any other of the scientists who are Christians or Catholics?
Here is an example of the biblical gospel message. No religion. Read it all and see if you can comprehend the difference between real faith and religion. (Atheism included).
It is bulls~~~ because it relies on faith which the most flawed way of reasoning we have.
I cannot believe in the whole Jesus story unless evidence pointed to it being true and if evidence existed for it id not need faith as id know it as i could show it to be true. Bible verses mean nothing unless the bible has evidence to back it up but does not especially in our world with thousands of different sects of Christianity all fighting each other (God not giving a simple message to man and then punishing man for not understanding it).
Lastly, I am a born again believer. I do not subscribe to ANY religion. I was saved by FAITH in what Jesus Christ did. John 3:3King James Version (KJV)
I use the terms interchangably for sake of argument. You hold onto what the bible states as true, you have a dogmatic faith in it, you require faith and the adherence to your holy book, you have a special version of the holy book which you view as the most reliable etc.
You fit the definition of Christian thereby for the sake of argument ill call you one.
I am just giving you facts and biblical truth
The bible ain’t truth till you can show it to be truth and that happens with evidence that proves it to be truth.
You have the free will to believe anything you want
Free will does not exist when it comes to belief as you can only believe something you are convinced is truth and need the evidence to match the burden of proof before you can believe it.
I cannot believe in any Theist God till the evidence comes and clearly shows that X God created us. I physically cannot just and believe something for the hell of it till i am convinced of it.
So yes believe what you want but if you cannot show it you do not know it and that is exactly why you have faith and require it. The minute you can drop faith and show me the truth no matter what the claim is ill accept it and hell id worship whatever deity it is just because ill know it to be truth.
Till then i cannot.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
^ Yikes. It’s literally like debating a feminist.
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^ Yikes. The delusions are strong with this one. It’s literally like debating a feminist.
Literally not an argument.
Prove your religion or get the f~~~ out of here trying to claim it is true because you cannot show it thereby you don’t know it.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
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